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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:29 AM
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Please answer the following question.
Will you support the eventual Democratic nominee no matter who it is?

I teach 6th grade children, and what I have been hearing on here reminds me of them. They get mad when they don't win and want to take their ball and go home. That is a juvenile, immature attitude, that I expect from preteens.

Yet many of you have been saying the same thing. If my candidate doesn't win I will vote for McCain, write in my candidates name, or sit this one out. This is a juvenile, immature, and foolish attitude that I do not expect from
adults who should want the best for their country.

Do you love your candidate more than our country. Look at what the Bush years have done. I want the best for my children and grand children.

If the answer is no, explain, because I do not understand.

an Aging Hippie
:evilgrin: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:

I am sorrybushisfromtexas
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:32 AM
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1. Of course I will support the Dem nominee!
I confess to not being a Clinton fan, but I hate McSame, so if Hilary is the nominee, I will vote for her.

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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:34 AM
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2. Of course, you CANNOT call yourself Democrat, if not...
PERIOD!
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:34 AM
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3. Thanks for the time to answer
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 04:36 AM by sorrybushisfromtexas
My daddy taught me that there were two kinds of Republicans,
1. rich
2. stupid

Why are there so many stupid Americans?


Peace
from an aging hippie
:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:

I am sorrybushisfromtexas
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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:36 AM
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4. Your daddy was smart.
AND for the most part, dead on.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:37 AM
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5. I will support the nominee that I think is a progressive democrat.
Getting a party win is not enough, as that's a system they (anybody) could game.

Given the choice between two regressives? I don't know what I'd do.
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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:48 AM
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9. "Given the choice between two regressives? I don't know what I'd do".
That's not the question posed in the OP.

"Getting a party win is not enough, as that's a system they (anybody) could game."

You are correct Sherlock. Well done. You have deduced the crux of the matter.
A party win is not enough. We need congress, too.
No shit. Sherlock - yes or no? Will you vote for the dem candidate in the GE or not?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:04 AM
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13. Depends on if we have a dem candidate.
Some folks don't want us having that choice.
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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:37 AM
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6. bien sur mon amie n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:40 AM
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7. Hillary Clinton has proposed an "umbrella of deterrence" that scares the bejeebus out of me.
She would put any non-nuclear armed Middle Eastern state who agrees to stay that way under the protection of the United States, with the threat of "Massive Retaliation" upon any country that attacks a country under this umbrella.

This is to the right of even the neocons.

Basically it means that we will step in to any dispute between Middle Eastern countries.

From the debate:

we've got to deter other countries from feeling that they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say: Well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup and we will let the Iranians know that. Yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation, but so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under this security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/17/13636/3860

Here are the comments from today's Meet the Press:

Tim Russert: What did you think of Hillary Clinton's "Umbrella of deterrence" saying that she would defend countries other than Israel who are attacked by Iran.

David Brooks: Well you asked the question. I am amazed like you may be that it didn't become a bigger issue.

What it says I think to a lot of Americans, if two Arab Countries or two Middle Eastern countries get in a war then we're going to get in the middle of it?

I think post Iraq this is the last place Americans want to be. Its a potentially wide open thing to say. I don't know why she would have said it, what policy thinking behind it was. It seems to me extremely perilous.

Michelle Norris: It doesn't seem like it would be post Iraq. We would probably still be engaged in Iraq, you know when this sort of dilemma would present itself.

E.J. Dionne: And the term "Massive Retaliation" is a pretty strong term that she used in the course of that debate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5591993&mesg_id=5591993

Doug Bandow, a former special assistant to President Reagan, says this proposal is a dangerous one.

"It’s one thing to promise to respond to a nuclear attack by a potential global hegemon, the Soviet Union, against a major ally, such as Germany or Japan, especially when Washington has deliberately disarmed them," he wrote last year in The National Interest. "Very different is to promise to protect Jordan or Kuwait, friendly countries, true, but neither historic nor important allies, against an attack by Iran, a regional power without global reach. The latter is an extraordinary extension of a doctrine fraught with danger."

That's because, he wrote, such an umbrella "makes conflict more likely in other ways. First, if the U.S. commitment is not credible, there is no deterrent effect. ...Second, if war erupts, U.S. involvement (assuming America makes good on its promise) is automatic. Washington loses the ability to weigh costs and benefits in the particular case at the particular time...Third, offering to lend America’s military to a friendly nation reduces the latter’s need to develop its own defense and foster its own alliances. This perverse impact of U.S. defense promises and deployments is evident in East Asia today. The primary example is Japan, which only now, six decades after the end of World War II, is debating a more active defense and foreign policy that is commensurate with its abilities and interests."

He calls the policy "reckless."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5592415&mesg_id=5592415

Hillary voted for war against Iraq and Iran. I didn't think it could be possible, but she could get us into more wars than McCain.
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sorrybushisfromtexas Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:42 AM
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8. Nice explanation,
I am really afraid, that under McCain Iran will be next.

We simply can't afford that.

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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 04:58 AM
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10. At this point -- no. And here's why.
The candidate I do not support has taken the step of compiling an "enemies list" of Democrats who didn't support her candidacy, and the number 1 person on that list happens to be the one Democrat, the one politician really, that I respect most. Considering that she already knifed him in the back in 2006 and a surrogate of hers knifed him in the back in 2004, I can't reward this pattern of bad behavior with my vote. I'm not a registered Democrat, I consider myself a strongly liberal independent, and my loyalty is indeed to people, not organizations. I'll be voting in a state that absolutely is not in play (not the one in my profile though--got a move coming), and I'll be working on a Senate campaign, so I don't feel guilt about voting--or abstaining, rather--with my conscience.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:00 AM
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11. The question for me is , is Hillary a better choice then McCain?
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 05:01 AM by bowens43
So far I have seen little evidence that she is. I won't vote for McCain but if Hillary is on the ballot , I'm not sure that I can vote for her. There is nothing juvenile, immature or foolish about it. She doesn't get my vote just because she claims to be a Democrat.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:02 AM
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12. The dem nominee will get my NYS electoral vote
I don't need to vote - just like a Texas dem don't need to vote - the GOP will get your electoral vote.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 05:12 AM
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14. .
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