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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:37 AM
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Origin of the "kitchen sink" analogy?
I was in a discussion in another thread about the origin of the "kitchen sink" analogy. The accusation was that this was an example of sexism by the Obama campaign and I maintained that this analogy actually originated with a Clinton staffer. As I understand it, earlier in the campaign the Clinton staffer was asked what the strategy was going to be against Obama, and she/he replied "Kitchen sink"... meaning that they intended to throw everything at him. I was called on it and (rightfully) asked for substantiation.... which I sadly do not have....

...help... anyone?



also, as an aside, this is my first OP ever, so please be gentle with me;)
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:39 AM
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1. I believe you're correct
I don't have a link, but I remember it originating from the Clinton camp. It's not Obama's style to come up with stuff like that anyway.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:40 AM
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2. Her campaign announced "the kitchen sink" as the strategy de jour & on that they delivered.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:42 AM
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3. They announced the strategy to the NY times.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:45 AM
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4. Here is your link from an NYT aticle
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=kitchen+sink+hillary&st=nyt&oref=slogin

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After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a “kitchen sink” fusillade against Mr. Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum.

Candidate Topic PagesMore Politics NewsThe effort underscores not only Mrs. Clinton’s recognition that the next round of primaries — in Ohio and Texas on March 4 — are must-win contests for her. It also reflects her advisers’ belief that they can persuade many undecided voters to embrace her at the last minute by finally drawing sharply worded, attention-grabbing contrasts with Mr. Obama

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:46 AM
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5. Here's one interesting explanation.
Everything but the kitchen sink - comes from World War Two when everything possible was used to contribute to the war effort...all metal was used for the U.S arsenal. The only objects left out were porcelain kitchen sinks. Does anyone still have a porcelain sink?

http://www.meghan-mccarthy.com/articles_sayings.html

There are others.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:49 AM
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8. I hate you.
:P
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:54 AM
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14. Here's a lovely model for you.


Shipping not included.

:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:57 AM
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15. heh!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:51 AM
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11. Oxford English Dictionary dates it back to 1948 or earlier
1948 PARTRIDGE (Dictionary of Forces' Slang) Kitchen sink, used only in the phrase indicating intense bombardment: ‘They chucked everything they'd got at us except, or including, the kitchen sink.’ ‘The kitchen stove’ was also used.

That could have come from the 'contribute to the war effort' - or it could be the other way round.

It's a common phrase in the UK these days, with no connotations of sexism at all.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:59 AM
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16. I've also heard it refer to weapons and cars. "It's got everything but the kitchen sink."
I don't think it's sexist, just trite.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:08 AM
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17. I heard that it came even earlier, out of the Dustbowl era
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 11:11 AM by TechBear_Seattle
Through much of the 1930s, severe drought hit the plains of the US and Canada. Because of the lack of rain and poor agricultural practices, fierce prairie winds would pick up top soil more than a mile into the sky and carry it hundreds of miles in great "black blizzards."

These conditions forced many farmers off their land into the cities to find work. Hundreds of thousands of families packed up everything they could carry and relocated, typically to the west where farmlands were still productive. (Read The Grapes of Wrath for a fictionalized -- but still very authentic -- account of typical life for the "Arkies" and "Oakies.") The "everything" was often that, and could even include panes of glass from the windows.

Homes that had a sink were not common; real sinks were expensive to buy and usually had to be shipped from back east special-order at great expense, and anyway, indoor plumbing was not all that common. Thus, many kitchens used the same galvanized tub to wash dishes and clean vegetables that got used on laundry day. Those that did have sinks often had to leave them behind: the space they took up could be used for other things, and there was no guarantee that living space at the other end would have the plumbing required to make use of a sink.

So "everything but the kitchen sink" got its start as meaning everything except what absolutely could not be included.

Edited for clarity.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:12 AM
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18. That's interesting. I hadn't heard that. Thanks.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:46 AM
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6. sexism??

WTF is wrong with people who see sexism in everything under the sun?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:49 AM
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7. Apparently it comes frrom WWII - nothing remotely sexist about it at all...
http://www.meghan-mccarthy.com/articles_sayings.html

"Everything but the kitchen sink - comes from World War Two when everything possible was used to contribute to the war effort...all metal was used for the U.S arsenal. The only objects left out were porcelain kitchen sinks. Does anyone still have a porcelain sink?"
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:50 AM
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9. February 26, 2008
Mind you, this is the same time frame the Clinton campaign was first pushing the Ayers' story and the photo of Obama in Somali costume appeared on the Drudge Report, he claimed coming from her campaign.

After struggling for months to dent Senator Barack Obama’s candidacy, the campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is now unleashing what one Clinton aide called a “kitchen sink” fusillade against Mr. Obama, pursuing five lines of attack since Saturday in hopes of stopping his political momentum.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:51 AM
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12. And there it is.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 10:52 AM by redqueen
There is nothing to idiotic to be manufactured and spun as poutrage around here.

Nothing.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:50 AM
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10. you're right...
...that's how it started
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 10:52 AM
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13. I don't know about it's origins, but Obama repeated it constantly until Texas/Ohio. n/t
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:47 AM
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19. THANK YOU all!
I just *knew* that I couldn't have imagined it:blush: Thanks especially for the links!

and thanks for being so nice too:)
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