Hillary Clinton is not an evil woman.

[Writer]

She has done things that you may disagree with, that you may even vehemently disagree with, but she is not evil.

Everyday she's blamed for a new atrocity caused by the Bush Administration, her husband's administration, and every despicable act conceivable by Internet armchair politicians. She's not only held accountable for her own mistakes, but for everyone else's mistakes with whom she's associated. It's all her fault - no, it's ALWAYS her fault. This is a thuggish brand of politics.

She is a brilliant but flawed person. And indeed she is flawed - just like many of us here.

So... what's next?

[BlooInBloo]

1. Well she plays one so admirably that she's convinced me.

[undeterred]

14. ...

:rofl:

[Straight Shooter]

42. Yes, she's so evil, when Susan Axelrod asked Hillary for help, Hillary did everything she could.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/012196.php

Sunday :: Mar 23, 2008
How an Election Campaign Works - Part 2: The Dehumanizing of Hillary Clinton

David and Susan Axelrod have three children in their late teens and early 20s. Their eldest, Lauren, has developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures and now lives in a group home in Chicago. But for years her illness required enough of her parents’ time that it kept Susan Axelrod out of the work force and kept David from moving to Little Rock during the 1992 presidential campaign. Susan and two other mothers of children with epilepsy started a foundation, Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE), which Susan runs, to promote research and raise funds for a cure. Because of David’s political work, they have had political celebrities do fund-raisers: Bill Clinton, Tim Russert, Obama. But few have done as much for the foundation as Hillary Clinton.

It was January 1999, President Clinton’s impeachment trial was just beginning in the Senate and Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the foundation’s fund-raiser in Chicago. Despite all the fuss back in Washington, Clinton kept the appointment. She spent hours that day in the epilepsy ward at Rush Presbyterian hospital, visiting children hooked up to machines by electrodes so that doctors might diagram their seizure activity and decide which portion of the brain to remove. At the hospital, a local reporter pressed her about the trial in Washington, asked her about that woman. At the organization’s reception at the Drake Hotel that evening, Clinton stood backstage looking over her remarks, figuring out where to insert anecdotes about the kids. “She couldn’t stop talking about what she had seen,” Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton’s behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was “one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy.”


So, David was too busy with his political work, but Hillary stepped up and did everything she could. Yes, damn that evil Hillary for helping others. :eyes:

[Writer]

51. I know immediately that I'm dealing with irrationality when no one at least...

acknowledges that this is a good thing that Clinton did.

Well, I'll be one to acknowledge this.

[Straight Shooter]

58. The dehumanization of Clinton into an evil persona is a military tactic.

Dehumanize the enemy, make them out to be vermin, disgusting, so there's no sense of remorse at tearing them down, hurting them, destroying them, eliminating them.

It's how anyone who ruthlessly seeks power justifies their quest to themselves and their supporters. History is rife with such instances.

I would never call Obama evil, not on DU, not in private conversations with friends. I'm very sorry to see people gleefully repeating such nonsense (that Hillary is evil) on DU and elsewhere on the Internet. It reminds me of the media's villification of Carter and Gore.

[Writer]

62. Some individually practice "scorched earth" politics every day.

Some see that the ends justify the means. It doesn't matter that they overlook inconvenient truths like what you posted; it's far more important to tar and feather the "other" as a means to marginalize and exterminate that candidate and her supporters.

It's much easier to buy into comfortable lies than buy into inconvenient truths.

[Straight Shooter]

68. I am glad that this election has shown me another side of Hillary.

It's easier to convince others who have been brainwashed by the GOP and MSM all these years to reconsider their opinion of her, if I point out the things she's done such as helping the Axelrods.

I'm still waiting for the "little stories" about Obama instead of the broad brush that he was a community organizer. Well, BFD. I know several community organizers. It's neither here nor there. Jim Jones was a community organizer, too. Obama just wanted to beat Bobby Rush at his own game on his own turf. But, hey, that's another story.

Gotta run :hi:

[Rageneau]

It is a POLITICAL tactic -- the same one used against Gore and Kerry.

It doesn't take much memory to recall the last two presidential elections, in both of which the Democratic candidate was a decent, honest, honorable, even heroic man. But by the time the election came around, Gore and Kerry had both been painted as liars and dishonest connivers -- exactly as Hillary has recently been.

It doesn't matter that the attempt to destroy a good Democrat's integrity come (ostensibly) from WITHIN the Party as opposed to from outside it this time; the tactics themselves are exactly the same. And, as before, the MSM has jumped in on one side very obviously, to the definite disadvantage of Clinton.

What's different this time is the demonic level of Hillary-hatred that is exuding not only from the usual nutcases, but from previously reasonable Democrats. I can't believe all the people whom I used to have respect for who have lost that respect by joining what I see as an out-of-control lynch mo

[Straight Shooter]

72. Agreed.

I was going to use the example of the Nazis against the Jews, but I thought someone might yell "Godwin's Law!"

I remember how the Vietnamese were reduced to being called "gooks" because it's much easier on the conscience for an all-American boy to kill a gook than another human being. :(

I'm very disappointed at the level of hatred towards Hillary, as well. If Obama becomes POTUS, one day it will be his turn to face the music.

[BlooInBloo]

71. No one's dehumanizing her. She's an evil PERSON.

[Straight Shooter]

78. Your omniscient judgment.

You have seen into Hillary's heart and soul and pronounced her evil. God may now resign his post as judge of humankind, as that position is apparently appropriated by an anonymous poster on DU.

[BlooInBloo]

79. As is yours, I take it.

[Straight Shooter]

83. Have a nice day.

:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

84. You KNOW i will.

[OzarkDem]

92. Just because you say so?

[BlooInBloo]

94. I can't speak to *why* she's evil, but I strongly doubt it's because I say so.

EDIT: Clarified subject.

[speedoo]

102. Who is dehumanizing Hillary?

I am not aware of any evidence that Obama or anyone in his campaign at this time is doing so. But you seem to imply that. Do you have any real evidence?

[hfojvt]

88. she took a trip, walked around some and gave a speech

Okay, a good cause but it does not look like a huge sacrifice nor a huge amount of work. It doesn't make me see her as a heroine.

[rodeodance]

73. ah yes, I recall that issue--and your article.--on hillary's work with epilepy

[Straight Shooter]

80. Hey there, rodeo. David Axelrod has no problem betraying friends.

Yet Hillary is called evil.

:hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I don't see any evidence for that.

Either the "not evil" part or the "brilliant" part.

[YDogg]

3. I don't believe she is evil. But she seems damned determined to do evil things to Obama for ...

... her own benefit.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Evil is as evil does, tiger.

[YDogg]

13. I'm no fan of her. Not by a long shot. But I'd vote for her if she is the nominee.

[Diamond Dog]

5. I see no reason to defend her.

Granted, I am an Obama supporter, but I was not a supporter of the Clinton Administration in any fashion, so I think I'm entitled to my sentiments.

For one, she needs to drop the Democratic Leadership Council like a hot potato. I could be a bit more enthusiastic about her if she weren't so deeply involved with the most worthless political organization this side of the Reform Party.

[ErinBerin84]

6. I definitely don't think she is evil,

I think she is....misguided and ill advised.


edited: Just read the "obliterated" comments. Make that SEVERELY MOTHERFUCKING MISGUIDED.

[undeterred]

7. That's hardly an endorsement.

She's a losing candidate in crisis mode.

[BlooInBloo]

9. Heh indeedy.

[tekisui]

8. You bet she's flawed. Flawed by extremely poor judgement.

She does what she does for personal advancement. She is sad. She is now using B*sh and rudy911 tactics. Images of bin Laden in a campaign ad???? That is repulsive and indefensible. And I will not vote for her.

[CBGLuthier]

10. No, you are wrong, she IS evil

Anyone who does the kind of shit she has pulled in the last few months is EVIL.

And she isn't that damned brilliant either.

Personally I don't want a flawed person as president. I want capable exemplary examples of the human race.

Not "some guy I would like to have a beer with" as everyone described the current prick.

[backscatter712]

11. Yeah she is.

She lies repeatedly and blatantly, she uses Rovian tactics in her campaign, she's pretty much convinced me that she indeed is evil.

[bunnies]

12. uh. ok.

You stick with that. :thumbsup:

[Yael]

15. She is without a soul.

[Poll_Blind]

Sounds like a defense attorney who knows their client is guilty as hell. n/t

PB

[Mme. Defarge]

16. She's not evil,

as far as I know.

[mythyc]

86. perfect

absolutely perfect ;)

[Occam Bandage]

17. She is not evil. She is flawed. Many of her flaws make her less than suited for the Presidency.

[LakeSamish706]

18. I definitely think she is evil and even worse I don't think she is a Democrat or...

has really ever been one. She is using the Democratic Party for all she is worth and really doesn't care if she destroys it and that to me is evil.

[meow mix]

19. i have no idea who these clintons are. power crazed, possibly evil.

they have become something else entirely different in a lust for power. that has an evil feeling to me.

[OzarkDem]

89. No, they're the same people

Who gave us two terms of peace and prosperity.

[ShortnFiery]

20. Flawed is a massive understatement. If HRC isn't a personification of EVIL, she's damn close.

:nuke:

[speedoo]

21. She is reputed to be "brilliant", but where is the evidence?

You won't find any evidence of brilliance, or even average intelligence, in the way she has conducted her campaign. There is in fact much evidence of outright carelessness.

And I'd like to see some evidence of courage. I don't see any in the way she has enabled BushCo while in the Senate.

[HereSince1628]

22. Oh? You mean she just plays one on TEEVEE?

She's very convincing in that role. She should get an Emmy.


On edit...

I think you are certainly wrong on one part of the post. EVERYONE of us is flawed, including Hillary. She just has such a damned hard time admitting it that she does terrible things to avoid admitting it.

[LakeSamish706]

34. That is a very definite problem and one that she shares with George W Bush....

Being able to admit you are wrong about something is a very important attribute in becoming President.

[niyad]

23. you know, of course, that the rabid hillary-haters are going to crucify you

for your calm, reasonable tone.

thank you.

[Writer]

29. I refuse to call Barack Obama names...

nor will I call him evil.

I just don't support him, and I prefer Hillary Clinton.

Let them get angry.

[niyad]

32. I don't call him names either. but listening to some here, you would think he was

the second coming.

[Writer]

40. Well they're caught up in a passion at the moment.

But it's for the moment, and nothing more. Obama's campaign is historic, no doubt, but ultimately what I see happening is that many of us have replaced irrational fear with irrational exuberance. I don't think either is healthy.

[DeSwiss]

24. I just love ELO, don't you???

You made a fool of me, but them broken dreams have got to end.

Hey woman, you got the blues, cos you aint got no one else to use.
There's an open road that leads nowhere, so just make some miles
Between here and there.
Theres a hole in my head where the rain comes in,
You took my body and played to win,
Ha ha woman its a crying shame,
But you aint got no one else to blame.

Chorus
E-evil woman, e-evil woman, e-evil woman, evil woman

Rolled in from another town,
Hit some gold too hot to settle down,
But a fool and his money soon go separate ways,
And you found a fool lyin in a daze,
Ha ha woman what you gonna do,
You destroyed all the virtues that the lord gave you,
Its so good that youre feeling pain,
But you better get yourself on board the very next train.

Chorus:repeat

Evil woman how you done me wrong,
But now youre tryin to wail a different song,
Ha ha funny how you broke me up, you made the wine now you
Drink the cup,
I came runnin every time you cried,
Thought I saw love smilin in your eyes,
Ha ha very nice to know, that you aint got no place left to go.

Electric Light Orchestra


===============================================================
DeSwiss


http://atheisttoolbox.com/">The Atheist Toolbox

[BlooInBloo]

28. BRRRRRUUCE!!

[virgdem]

25. She may not be evil, but

she is cold, calculating, self-serving and willing to do ANYTHING to win the nomination. The recent Bin Laden ad is proof positive that she will stoop to the basest level to tar Obama as being Un-American. I expect this kind of crap from Republicans, not Democrats running against one another for the Democratic nomination. I sincerely hope this ad backfires on her, and then some.

[DJ13]

26. Corporatists ARE evil

Every major crisis our country has faced since the Great Depression can be traced back to their unrepentant greed.

The Clinton's have been in the back pockets of those people since 1991.

[niyad]

27. k & r

[PatGund]

30. She's not evil.

She's ran a horrible attack campaign, lied and smeared thoughout it all, and shown a contempt for the voters that is breathtaking.

But evil? No. Misguided or suffering from bad judgement yes.

[apocalypsehow]

31. Musta had a miraculous recovery:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5605654&mesg_id=5605654

Glad you were able to get well so soon....

[redqueen]

35. Heh.

[Exilednight]

33. Cluster bomb vote = evil. n/t

[IntravenousDemilo]

36. I'll grant you that, partly inasmuch as I don't believe in the existence of "evil".

But if Senator Clinton chooses to trumpet as policy experience her years as First Lady, then she should be prepared to answer for the people she worked with, including her husband, as I presume she had some input. I think it's also unlikely that she would be a sitting senator from New York if she hadn't been married to the President of the United States. Had she never met Bill, I doubt we would ever have heard of her, and she certainly wouldn't be in the position she's in now.

In short, if "experience" is to be considered a given, then so should responsibility.

[mmonk]

37. I won't say that her tactics are decent and good

(speaking specifically in the last debate talking about Wright-Farrakhan-Hamas to deliberately connect Obama with those people specifically to twitch white racism to gain votes). I will qualify in saying I have nothing against Wright or Islam but let's not pretend she was being decent and honest, shall we?

[seaglass]

38. Thanks for gathering all the idiots in one spot Writer.

:hi:

[Bensthename]

39. she's a fighter I'll give her that..

Still voting Obama though.

[Arugula Latte]

41. She seems to have no scruples (case in point -- today's terra! Bin Laden! ad).

So maybe we can just call her "completely morally bankrupt" instead.

[doublethink]

43. Just said on MSNBC ....

by Eugene Robinson to Patric Buchanan when Buchanan brought up the Obama/Clinton ticket ......

"are you willing to be Obama's food taster .. (tester)" ....

Okay it was said in jest .... but it just goes to show how much Hillary wants to be President. I wouldn't want her as my running mate at this point ... mate. Just saying. ;) Peace.

[cui bono]

47. I mentioned the same thing a few days ago...

as if he would want to put HER - an unethical, blinded by ambition opponent - a heartbeat away from the presidency... yikes.

[Saturday]

44. I actually think that many Obama supporters here are so

young that they have no idea of politics from anything before this primary when they got hyped on Obama. Some of the things they've said about Clinton are just plain stupid (and childish).

[Indenturedebtor]

50. I'm old enough to remember

Original Message
I actually think that many Obama supporters here are so
Posted by yadayadayada
young that they have no idea of politics from anything before this primary when they got hyped on Obama. Some of the things they've said about Clinton are just plain stupid (and childish).


--------------

I'm old enough to know a traitor when I see one.

HRC has shown that she doesn't care about the Dems winning the white house, only that SHE wins the whitehouse. Evil is as evil does.

Let me ask you: Here's the situation - You and I are up for the same promotion at the same company. We've known each other for a few years and we both admire each others character. You spend all of the month before the promotion will be decided working hard and contributing to the company to prove your worth. I on the other hand spend that month promoting lies and irrelevant factoids about your past including the girl you took to prom, hoping to irrevocably damage your reputation and possibly land you out of work in the middle of a recession with a family to feed.

Is that evil? Or does it just display "ambition"? Is that "ambition" evil? And that's only vaguely like what she's done to try to turn the nation against our inevitable nominee.

She doesn't care about fixing the problems we face as much as she cares about the title "Madam President". I trust Huckabee more than I trust Hillary the Destroyer. She's a vile human being and a blight on the Democratic party.

[OzarkDem]

90. I've noticed the same thing

Its a lack of knowledge about the Clinton years. Their fertile minds have been filled with right wing talking points, faux scandals and conspiracy theories, all courtesy of David Axelrod/Obama.

Why else would they target young voters? They're easier to sway and have no historic point of reference or political memory beyond BushII.

[speedoo]

107. "all courtesy of David Axelrod/Obama"???

Exactly how is all that courtesy of these men?

[cui bono]

45. Um... she's pretty evil. n/t

[beezlebum]

46. what DJ13 said (@26)

i don't dispute the brilliant part.

but undoubtedly evil.

people starve and die painful deaths with a lack of access to medical care and are clusterbombed and shot under the guise of safety and freedomz and demockracy because of corporatists. evil.

and if anything convinces me of her pure evillness, this does it:
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president we will attack Iran," Clinton said. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5608086)

yikes. evil.

[beezlebum]

49. strike that

pure fucking evil.

[SeattleGirl]

48. I wouldn't use the word "evil" to describe her, but I do think she is

acting in a very shameless way in how she's running her campaign.

And she could avoid some of her "flaws" if she so chose to do so, but unfortunately, she hasn't.

[NJmaverick]

52. She is too flawed to be President

[chill_wind]

53. Not evil, if you don't count selling your soul

and ripping apart the party to win the nomination at_all_costs.

Allowing her shameless campaign to try to paint Obama as a cocaine freak, and raising questions about his faith and allegiences-- ie "not a Muslim......as far as I'm aware"-- unforgivable. Those are just two cravenly evil deeds in a shameless list that come immediately to mind.

[NC_Nurse]

54. I don't think she is either, but you know the fact that you have to post

something like this indicates that she has a huge image problem. I really don't think she can overcome it.
Not in the primary, certainly not in the GE. Even though I don't support her, I find the level of hatred some
people have for her a little bizarre.

[Writer]

56. I think she was doing a good job of controlling her image until Edwards dropped out...

and it became a two-person race. Axelrod's media campaign has been superior.

[NC_Nurse]

98. It didn't get really weird until after Wisconsin. I think she got some bad

advice to go negative and then positive, and then negative. It was kind of strange.
I think that gave the media too many ways to spin her. Of course, my opinion is
probably worth less then nothing. I'm not exactly an expert. :hi:

[nichomachus]

55. I don't think she's evil -- she's just fallen in with bad companions

Maybe she needs a time out

[AtomicKitten]

57. Evil? No. An AssHat for using GOP tactics against another Democrat? Oh yeah.

[AlCzervik]

59. i don't think she's evil, i disagree with many of her votes and i think that her campaign

professionals are some awful people.

[BlueIdaho]

60. Evil? NO

This Obama supporter would never call her evil. I abhor her kitchen sink tactics against a fellow Democrat but no - not evil. Its a shame she waited until 2008 - I really think 2004 would have been her year, now I'm afraid its too late. Nope, not evil - but she has chosen to listen to the council of some very discpicable people and for that alone - she deserves a second place finish.

[Erin Elizabeth]

61. I don't think she's evil.

I save that adjective for those who truly deserve it (I'm lookin' at you bush and company).

I do, however, think she's a dishonest jerk who is only thinking about herself and what she feels she has earned. I think she's using her gender as a way to convince people to support her and that's despicable. I think she was hoping she could ride on her husband's coattails while winking and nodding about feminism and that's just wrongheaded. I think she's too right-leaning to be a Democratic president. And I think she makes highly questionable decisions and doesn't have what it takes to be a really good, effective President.

[Bucky]

63. I am not flawed

I am seamless evil, not a washer out of place. How dare you suggest my wanton villainy is alloyed!

[Writer]

64. What if I placed a cast iron pot on your head and hit it a few times with a hammer?

Would you feel the purity of your villainy once again?

;)

[Bucky]

67. !

Begone, thou alchemist witchling!

[Writer]

85. I can turn prunes into raisins.

((cackles gleefully))

[Skidmore]

65. Flawed, not brilliant though.

She has made way too many stupid and serious mistakes on this campaign. And her IWR vote was abysmally poor in judgement. She is also dishonest. And she is responsible for her mistakes--all of them.

[Hepburn]

66. Well, I would have to respectfully disagree with that....

...I have seen too much evil done and said by her to think of her as anything but evil.

[jefferson_dem]

69. Debatable.

[Connie_Corleone]

70. She's not brilliant. I haven't seen any evidence of her being brilliant.

Everyone is flawed, so that's a no-brainer.

If she's going to tout the successes in the Clinton administration, then she should be held responsible for the disasters too. And one of those disasters was of her own making (health care reform).

[Barrymores Ghost]

74. Given that she's just threatened to NUKE Iran...

...I'd say she's beyond evil. She's gone out her freakin' mind and needs to locked in a padded cell before she can do any more damage.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4698059&page=1

[Bonobo]

75. What's next is I will fight anyone who calls for Genocide against any nation.

Tooth and nail.

She is no better than Bush with her talk 'obliterating' Iran.

[TK421]

76. Well, Writer...I suppose you would have to question anyone here who agrees

with the assessment that she is "evil"...but good luck with that one

She seems to be the anti-christ in the eyes of many

[Writer]

87. I just let it go.

I've had my say and that is all I can do in light of this discursive climate.

[TK421]

95. You use a much kinder adjective than I would here...hats off to you

and then again, I'm not in a fighting mood tonight so...this to you :pals: and fuck the rest

I'll be content to wait for tomorrows results...well, tomorrow!

[Writer]

97. I'm actually rather sick today, so I don't feel like fighting either.

The more I read snarky replies, however, the more I wonder whether people actually think we live in a society anymore. It's deplorable.

:pals:

[Bonobo]

77. Great endorsement!

:rofl:

[newmajority]

81. Yes she is evil. She is fucking in league with Satan himself.

The lies she is spewing on Olbermann right now are conclusive proof that she does not have a trace of goodness left in her. :puke:

[LSK]

82. SEE THIS THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5609309

HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Window]

91. The responses to this thread are hillarious...but then you expected that, yes.

:rofl:

[anaxarchos]

93. Since you want to point to...

..."many of us here", that should give you the evidence you need to conclude that she is, in fact, "evil". There is virtually nobody on this board that denies that she is "evil". The Clinton supporters here readily admit that she is "evil". There is very little defense of her "goodness". Instead, we hear a variation on a few themes:

1) Obama is "evil" too... or he was "evil" first, or he is more "evil". Any or all of that may be true (I come not to praise Obama), but how does that defend Clinton?

2) Clinton is in fact "evil", but you have to be "evil" in order to win elections in the United States. Thus, being "evil" is a positive trait - obvious evidence of "strength" or craftiness. Everyone offended by "evil" should simply "grow up". How is this in any way different from any other "Good German-speak"?

3) Clinton may be "evil", but her "evil" is in the cause of some greater "good"... the future composition of the SCOTUS, the "cause" of women in politics, some particular "policy", or the "need" to go to a general election without a candidate who "cannot win" because of his race. This argument is similar to the advocacy of other "necessary evils"... like torture.

4) Clinton may be "evil" but "I like her"/"I want her"/"I identify with her"/"I believe in her", as a point of personal preference. Thus my personal privilege trumps all consideration of "good and evil". A variation on this theme is that Clinton can't be "evil" because "I support her". It must be "lies" or "bad advisors"... "If the Tsar only knew..." This variation sounds more than a bit like your OP.

Of course, you could just be engaged in "happy talk" - "nobody is really evil...", in which case, what have you really said?

One year ago, this election was about "life and death issues", "the future of the country", "the soul of the nation" and so on. Today, it is about Clinton (and Obama, too, if you like). How is presiding over that transformation not "evil"?

[Spider Jerusalem]

96. Evil? No.

Misguided? Possibly. Arrogant, and driven by ego to maintain her charade of a losing campaign at any cost? Almost certainly. Ambition can be a terrible and character-destroying thing.

[Danger Mouse]

99. I don't think she is evil in the least.

I think she is, at worst, very opportunistic.

[book_worm]

100. but she plays one on TV?

[Upton]

101. She is improving the chances of a McCain victory

if that's not evil, what is?

[DrFunkenstein]

103. To Paraphrase a Smiths Song: Some Flaws Are Bigger Than Others

I like greasy food, but that's not like using the lives of soldiers and civilians to act "tough" for the sake of political theater.

[speedoo]

104. Yes, I would say that a person who voted for an unnecessary war...

for selfish political reasons, a war that has killed 4,000 of our soldiers and according to some, a million innocent Iraqis, is very deeply flawed. Not to mention the enormous financial cost, which future generations will pay for, and which is diverting from the country's real needs.

And, for that person to then lie about her reasons for that vote, is not only flawed, but evil.

The OP and other Hillary supporters seem to disagree with that position. But I'm a veteran, who knows what war is about. So I believe I am fully entitled to say that Hillary is evil for these reasons.

[burythehatchet]

105. bullshit. I just heard her on LO with her diplomacy offensive threatening Iran

with nuclear annhilation

[JVS]

106. As far as we know?

[question everything]

108. This is what puzzles me: the Obama supporters are not satisfied

with promoting him. No, they have to destroy Hillary in the process.

One has to wonder about how secure they are in their candidate.

[McCamy Taylor]

109. The ultimate act of evil is calling another human being evil.

Actions can be evil. And the ultimate evil action is deciding that the world would be better off without certain people in it. That is what the Crusades were about. And the Inquisition. And the witch hunts. And most genocides.

Is this some kind of psych experiment? Looks like DU fails. I will bet that if you said you were hooking Hillary up to electrical probes as part of an experiment the people here would turn up the amp, too.

[bridgit]

110. agreed...