"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president we will attack Iran," Clinton said.

[JackORoses]

Clinton on An Iran Attack: 'Obliterate Them'

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on Good Morning America Tuesday, ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next ten years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4698059&page=1

Bomb, bomb, bomb
Bomb, Bomb Iran!

Good evening, Mrs. McClinton. Nice to see you have finally decided to dispense with that constrictive 'Democrat' Disguise.

[ecstatic]

1. The Goddess of War. I hope Chelsea enlists

[grasswire]

25. The OP is a lie (eom)

[Yael]

54. If you are going to call someone a liar -- talk to ABC. Please note their cordial invitation

to join them on GMA tomorrow to listen to her war mongering LIVE.

<hint -- click the link in the OP>

[grasswire]

74. I'm sure Obama can read better than the rest of you.

ABC:

Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes 'We Would Be Able To Totally Obliterate Them'

[Yael]

78. Nice paraprase of their DIRECT quote. Here it is as published:

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next ten years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

Watch the full interview with Sen. Hillary Clinton on GMA Tuesday.

(Bolding theirs)

[grasswire]

85. I QUOTED THEIR SUBHEAD

The sub headline is this:

"Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes 'We Would Be Able To Totally Obliterate Them'"

So I sure hope you have time to correct your accusation above, before you look toooo foolish.

[JackORoses]

96. follow the link, pal

halfway down the page, you will find the exact quote from the OP.

You can't expect the rest of us to pay any attention to your posts if you won't even read the article in question.

[MyNameGoesHere]

201. Yes but as a supporter of the candidate

of unity, change , and all that happy horse shit you did not lie. But you did not tell the truth either.

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on "Good Morning America" Tuesday. < HERE IS THE CONTEXT OF YOUR HALF TRUTH>

:::::::::::ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.::::::::::::::

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."


So keep spewing that unity, change and the rest of that happy horse shit. You make your candidate proud i am sure.

[Yael]

116. In the OP, you will find a bunch of letters and numbers that look different from the others.

They will be underlined, in a blue font, and start with "http".

If you position your mouse over that section of your screen, your pointer will change. Likely into a pointing finger (unless you have modified your original default settings).

With your left finger, while hovering over that blue, underlined section with the mouse in "finger pointing" position, please click the LEFT mouse button (unless you have modified this from your original default settings, then please click the button you normally use when following links).

This will open up a whole new intertube where you can read the story in full.

No need to thank me. I am a giver.

:hi:

[DS1]

150. that was beautiful

A whole new intertube :rofl:

[krkaufman]

192. chuckle. Thanks for the laugh. n/t

[polpilot]

198. I am woman, see me bomb!

...in the primaries.

[Coexist]

209. lol!

[jgraz]

211. I think you just overloaded my snark circuits

:rofl:

[sandnsea]

175. For someone who doesn't support Hillary

you sure spend a lot of time defending the indefensible.

[billyoc]

153. No, the OP is not a lie, it is a DIRECT quote of Hillary from GMA.

K&R.

[Diamond Dog]

157. I'm going to reiterate what I just said in another thread. Progressives, take heed.

The MoveOn fiasco shows how little the neo-liberal princess thinks of the progressive Democratic base. We must not make the mistake of defending a potential Clinton candidacy. As soon as she makes a move to go to war with Iran, we must be prepared to wage war against her at all cost.

Remember what we did to Johnson in the 60's. He was a Democrat. So is she. Neither were progressive.

Do not contribute to her. Do not campaign for her. Vote for her, if she manages to swipe the nomination, and that's it.

And the first time she rattles the proverbial saber (or Sabot), drop your shit, pick up a placard, and march.

[krkaufman]

193. Well, given the damage that would be done to the Democratic Party ...

... if she were to be the one launching the attack against Iran, or, like Nixon, campaigning to get out of the war but escalating instead, I'm not sure that voting for Hillary in the GE would be the best long-term move for the party, or the country.

Fortunately, I'm hopeful that we won't be faced with that choice. I still believe the Democratic superdelegates aren't so ignorant as to throw away the party's future, and will line-up behind Obama -- but are just waiting for the pledged delegate outcome to become final. Obama will be the nominee, and Hillary will change her tune on Obama in the same way the Right Wing has flipped on a McCain nomination.

[anonymous171]

2. She plans on out neoconning the neocons.

[grasswire]

27. the OP is not true. (eom)

[babylonsister]

83. If it's not true, what is? I'm willing to listen and think better of her than

I do this second if you have proof to the contrary.

[grasswire]

87. did you read her comments in the article in context?

The OP has done EXACTLY what Obama has complained about in the last several days -- taken a comment out of context and inflated it to a gutter attack.

It's shameful and not the kind of campaigning I thought he approved.

[babylonsister]

101. Yes, I read them in context, but she still said that direct quote.

She sounds like she's daring the Iranians imo. Why so bellicose, now, without even mentioning diplomacy? :shrug:

[billyoc]

155. Yes, the OP is true, it is an exact quote.

Clinton said she will attack Iran if she's the president.

[Maine-ah]

203. As I understood it,

it says that she would if Iran attacked Israel w/nukes. Now, I didn't go to the link and read the whole thing, just the quote from the OP.

I don't like defending HRC, I do support Obama (though not my first pick)but I would hope we would defend any nation that was attacked w/nukes by another country, if they wanted our help.

[Faygo Kid]

3. Kill all them damned Iranian children. Throw them nukes around.

Targeted strikes? Take out the leadership?

Nah. Obliterate 'em.

Yeah, she's tough enough. That's one word for it.

[grasswire]

30. Read the article. The OP is false. (eom)

[Emit]

62. How is it false?

Even in context, it's a very aggressive statement. She sounds like Bush. Her response makes it appear that she's speaking not to the future, but to the present. She didn't say "I would want..." :

Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on Good Morning America Tuesday, ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next ten years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

[grasswire]

79. her statement is in response to a hypothetical

The OP does not reflect the question or the context.

It's EXACTLY the kind of politics Obama has complained about in the last several days.

[mckeown1128]

109. No it isn't... it's her policy...

she doesnt' respond to "hypotheticals" remember... or did you sleep throught the first 15 debates.

[Why Syzygy]

188. This is nothing like what Obama complained about. You can't see what at least a dozen other people

see. There is no bait and switch. You haven't stated the alternate view, the one YOU see.
Denying what others do see is futile.

[Leopolds Ghost]

173. Much WORSE than Bush. The big criticism of Bush has been his blindness in assuming targeted strikes

Would not lead to a huge conflagration.

[billyoc]

156. No, she said she will attack Iran. It's an exact quote, with full context.

She said she will attack Iran if she's the President.

[Shae]

120. Let's take out a village. nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

174. It takes a village's destruction to save it.

[Diamond Dog]

4. Cue Die Nibelungen.

I imagine her strutting about her campaign headquarters, hand tucked firmly in her frilly, eighteenth-century overcoat, while muttering to herself about those damned Russian winters.

[grasswire]

33. you might want to read the true, whole statement. (eom)

[JackORoses]

you are running scared on this one, ain't ya?

Can't blame you. I would be, too.
Nuclear warfare has a way of grabbing peoples' attention in ways that even Bittergate couldn't.

Hillary has written her campaign's obituary.

[grasswire]

92. NO, I'm mad as hell at your gutter politics.

This is the kind of stuff that the RNC has used against all of our good people for the last couple of decades. Niggling little comments, used out of context or twisted into gutterballs.

Shame on you for shaming Obama.

Shame on you for shaming the Democratic Party.

If your candidate saw this, he'd be mad, too.

[JackORoses]

148. my candidate doesn't think we should obliterate Iran

[billybob537]

5. She'd make a really good Republican cantidate

Oh! except they hate women, and her, and Bill

[grasswire]

36. the OP is not accurate -- this is crummy politics (eom)

[JackORoses]

43. the OP is wholly accurate. That is an exact quote from Hillary. Maybe she just 'misspoke' again?

[grasswire]

51. do you like it when people quote bits of Obama statements?

Bits that are taken out of context?

Shame on you. Shame, shame, shame on you.

You ain't doing Obama any favors, pal.

[JackORoses]

81. no, Hillary is doing us all a favor by sinking her own candidacy once and for all

Sorry Hillary, War just ain't selling like it used to.

[sniffa]

6. Wow

:wow:

[grasswire]

38. Obama would disavow the OP's gutter politics (eom)

[rodeodance]

197. I would hope he would.

[mcctatas]

7. Talk about jumping the shark!

I hope to god she's just pandering (again), this time to the Legion of Doom...:scared:

[redqueen]

8. Jesus... isn't she rightwing enough yet? She's already got Scaife's endorsement

fer chrissakes.

:wtf:

[grasswire]

47. the OP is falsely stated -- gutter politics (eom)

[Emit]

9. Damn!

Is that an exact quote? Shit. I knew there was a good reason I chose to cast my caucus vote for Obama over Hillary. Call it a gut feeliing, but ... shit.

[grasswire]

READ THE QUOTE -- the OP has falsely characterized it. (eom)

[Emit]

65. I just did and I posted above to you

Even in context, it is very aggressive. Very.

[FrenchieCat]

10. She's out warmongering the PUG warmongers!

:wow:

[BlooInBloo]

11. I assume that's grossly taken out of context.

[grasswire]

14. see my post

This twisting is disgusting.

[JFN1]

119. Read the whole thing

And its not twisted, its not out of context, IT IS WHAT HILLARY SAID.

Oh yeah, almost forgot - (eom).

[rucky]

One would hope.

If we stick around, we'll probably find out for sure in about 15 minutes.

[BlooInBloo]

42. Hate it when people on my team act like such fuckwits. And so unnecessary.

[Yael]

71. ABC cordially invites you to watch her talk live on GMA tomorrow where the whole convo

will be replayed.

Enjoy!

[Life Long Dem]

12. Yeah, those sniper terrorist are everywhere. n/t

[grasswire]

13. I have alerted on this OP

The twisting of Clinton's words is disgusting, Rovian politics.

Shame on you, Obama, for encouraging this kind of politics.

Here's the real Clinton statement, from the sub headline:

Hillary: If Iran Attacked Israel With Nukes 'We Would Be Able To Totally Obliterate Them'

[Diamond Dog]

16. "Shame on you, Obama, for encouraging this kind of politics."

What the fuck are you smoking? Blame the original poster, not Obama. And he still has a point: would we want to 'obliterate' Iran if they attacked Israel? Not I.

[grasswire]

19. welcome to DU, sonny (eom)

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[grasswire]

63. okay, I alerted on this one too, for breaking the rules.

Shame on you for bringing Rovian gutterball to Obama's campaign.

[Yael]

75. Obama owns ABC? Guess thats why the debate went so well and stuck to the issues.

[maddiejoan]

15. if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons --

What would be the proper course of action for the USA in YOUR view?

[Diamond Dog]

17. To stay the fuck out of it, that's the proper course of action. n/t

[maddiejoan]

20. Really?

I think that's not such a good idea.

[Diamond Dog]

22. Why? They didn't attack us. And I don't especially care for Israel.

Beyond which, it's quite unlikely that Iran would attack Israel in the first place, so it's a moot point.

[info being]

216. What if Iran took out all of Europe?

Fuck, I hope somebody would obliterate them in that case.

[neverforget]

37. Israel has nukes and can defend itself.

[maddiejoan]

45. not if they are nuked, cupcake.

and her position is different than Obama;s stated position how?

[neverforget]

91. huh? WTF? cupcake? Israel has far more nukes than Iran as Iran has none.

Israel is a grown up country and can take of itself. It has fought many wars to preserve itself in the past and have shown themselves to be very good fighters. I would put my money on Israel on a fight with Iran especially since Israel has the nukes.

Nuclear weapons:
Israel > 0
Iran = 0

PS thanks for the condescending attitude, cupcake

[Name removed]

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[neverforget]

123. What is your problem?

[Occam Bandage]

128. Moved past shock and denial, in the middle of anger.

[neverforget]

130. I would like to have a rational discussion with maddie but apparantly

that is not going to happen.

[Occam Bandage]

108. Looks like *someone* hasn't heard of second-strike capability!

Maybe you should let the grownups discuss military policy.

[maddiejoan]

112. let me know when they show up

[Occam Bandage]

126. No, seriously. Do you believe that Israel is maintaining a nuclear arsenal with absolutely

zero second-strike capability? Why would they have a nuclear arsenal with no deterrent capability? Is it too much work for them to build deep bunkers or for them to keep a few warheads on nuclear submarines?

[maddiejoan]

144. That's not really my point is it?

[leveymg]

199. Israel already has a 1st and 2nd strike: German-built subs armed with nuclear cruise missiles.

And, plenty of strategic ballistic missiles and fighter-bomber "bunker-buster" tactical nukes for a first-strike.

More than enough nuclear warheads of all types to "annihilate" Iran and half the world, when and if the Israelis choose.

The Israeli military neither needs, nor particularly want, a nuclear alliance with the U.S.

[neverforget]

138. I love it! You ask when are the grown ups going to show yet you called me

names in 2 posts without posting anything relevant to your side. Adult indeed.

[Leopolds Ghost]

176. WRONG!! Israel has mounted submarine nukes -- 2nd tier deterrent.

Pwned!

Bye-BYE!

[MattBaggins]

190. You use cupcake to deman don't you?

By the way, yes Israel could respond if they are nuked. They have both counter and second strike capabilities.

[dbmk]

28. Its a bogus discussion anyway.

Completely trumped up issue. Not going to happen.

[JackORoses]

186. why is Hillary trumping it up?

[redqueen]

208. Exactly! And why have DUers started beating that same drum?

:wtf:

[JackORoses]

213. seems like Hillary was the Overlords' choice for 'Democratic' War President.

Things aren't going according to the plan.
Nobody expected the People to have a candidate in the race.

[redqueen]

214. I would expect people to abandon her in droves for her cowboy talk.

Jesus... and they have the nerve to talk about kool-aid!

:crazy:

[cigsandcoffee]

137. Are you being provocative, or do you really mean this?

If it's the latter, you're out of your mind.

[redqueen]

18. Consult congress?

Israel DOES have their own nukes to defend themselves with, you know.

[maddiejoan]

26. Uhm

Not if they're nuked, sweetie.

[redqueen]

31. Well now that Bush has started with the "tactical" nukes, that's not a given

is it, honey?

;)

[Tom Rinaldo]

57. Do you remember when MAD didn't mean Mothers Against Drunk Driving?

When it meant "Mutually Assured Destruction" instead? Do you remember the concept of deterrance? Have you ever bluffed in Poker?

You can't bluff in poker if your opponent doesn't have any reason to believe that you are able to play a winning hand if pushed to do so.

NOW is not the time to talk about consulting Congress. Virtually everyone in America agrees that it would be best if no nation attacked any other nation with Nukes. If Iran attacked Israel with nukes Congress would scramble without any puahing from the President. NOW is the time to play the deterrance hand, it costs nothing to bluff. NOW is the time to give Iran or anyone else every reason to think it would be a very bad idea to use nuclear weapons against Israel or anyone else, and the threat of retaliation is part of what makes using nukes a very bad idea.

[redqueen]

206. Why is NOW the time?

Israel already has nukes... the NIE says Iran doesn't and won't for however long...

Where is this drumbeat coming from? What's the justification for the urgency?

[Leopolds Ghost]

177. Consult Congress? Are you out of your mind? Since when did Congress get the authority to wage war?

(whisper in ear) oh. Well, that's a dead letter anyhow.

[redqueen]

207. I'm really shocked to see such alarmism over Iran.

The NIE and other international intel seems to indicate there is no urgency.

Puzzling.

[newmajority]

29. If Iran HAD a nuclear weapon, which they don't, and attacked Israel

Then Israel could retaliate, using the nuclear warheads which they ILLEGALLY have, and the US could stay the fuck out of it.

But since Iran has no nukes, and Hillary will never be president. it's a moot point.

[PA Democrat]

44. But the fact that she needs to do this saber rattling is disturbing.

Just what we need to do, throw more gasoline on the fire.

[Leopolds Ghost]

178. She said if she's President, we'd attack Iran--grammar suggests she feels conditions are in place.

So it's not a moot point, her statement is true whether or not she is elected President.

[Occam Bandage]

32. Roll out of bed and wake up.

[maddiejoan]

39. Obama would do the same thing

maybe YOU should wake up

[Occam Bandage]

59. Indeed. He would also roll out of bed and wake up. Iran is about as likely to use nuclear weapons

in an unprovoked attack as France is. They sought nuclear weapons (and have since put that program on hold) to use as a deterrent against conventional attack. They are expansionist, but they prefer to use foreign militias (such as the Badr Brigade in Iraq and Hezbollah in Syria/Lebanon/Palestine) and economic/political pressure to do their work.

His response therefore would be the same as mine: to roll out of bed and wake up, because if Iran is attacking Israel, you're having a dream.

[eridani]

163. Hezbollah uses Iran far more than the other way around

And now they have plenty of Christian, Sunni and Druze allies--not just a Shi'ite shadow government anymore.

[Catherina]

48. Stay the fuck out of it n/t

[maddiejoan]

52. Tell that to your candidate too then

[Catherina]

60. The great thing about my candidate is that he's not a warhawk

Which is probably why you don't like him. It's not really about homophobia is it?

[maddiejoan]

72. does he?

[Diamond Dog]

90. HO NOEZ!!!! OBAMA'Z SURROGATE PERSONALLY INSULTED ME!

SO I'LL DOOM THE WORLD TO NUKYOULAR WAR!

Jesus Fuck.

[maddiejoan]

99. The reference was made

because it was suggested that Obama listens.

Clearly he does not.

[Diamond Dog]

102. You know, I really don't care about your sexuality. I care about you being so hyper-sensitive that

you imagine a surrogate used to court certain elements of the voting public speaks for the candidate himself.

Newsflash: Clinton has the full support of "The Family", a right-wing Christian organization committed to the de facto criminalization of homosexuality. If you're going to have paper-thin skin about this sort of thing, do a little research, first.

http://www.thefamily.org/

Christ Jesus, fuck identity politics.

[maddiejoan]

105. The problem wasn't McClurkin

The problem was Obama being asked not to have McClurkin emcee -- and Obama not listening.

It was pointed out that Obama listens --I demonstrated an example of him NOT listening.

You don't like it?

tough.

[Diamond Dog]

110. Tough is as tough does.

When you grow a spine and grow out of 90's-style identity politics, you might have a point. Perhaps you should have been a bit more vocal - or perhaps you ought to be a bit less selfish right now.

[maddiejoan]

115. ...

:rofl:

Yeah --okay,

[WinkyDink]

107. Are you NUTS?? What about the liberation of the death-camps don't you GET?

What about defending ALLIES don't you GET?

What about DEFEATING TERRORISTS don't you GET? Because a nuclear attack on Israel would be the zenith of terrorism.
Not the phony WTC deal.

[Catherina]

145. I don't "get" any of that kind of bloodlust. And certainly not with my taxes and name

Phony WTC deal? How disgusting.

[eridani]

164. What did Iran have to do with death camps? And how do they nuke Israel without nukes? n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

180. All nukes are terrorism -- and they'll eventually be used again to destroy civilization

In the meantime we need not concern ourselves dreaming up who strikes first, because as both Gandhi and John Maynard Keynes so wisely pointed out, we'll all be dead.

[leveymg]

196. And, what if Israel nuked Iran, first? Wouldn't that also be the zenith of terrorism?

Or, don't you GET that?

[SOS]

106. Let's take a step back, away from the Bush/Clinton/McCain Iran insanity.

"A few weeks after the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, a strange document arrived in Washington. It came as a fax, on plain paper, from the Swiss ambassador in Tehran.

The fax laid out the terms for a "grand bargain" -- in essence a peace treaty between the U.S. and Iran. It put everything on the table: Iran's support for terrorism, its nuclear program, even its hostility towards Israel. In exchange, Iran asked Washington for security guarantees, an end to sanctions and a promise never to push for regime change.

Iran's reformists were again trying to reach out to Washington, as they had after 9/11. The fax never received a reply."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/showdown/themes/grandbargain.html

Iran has no nukes and was willing to enter into a grand bargain with the US.
Bush ignored them.
Based on Clinton's insane comments today, she would ignore them too.

[Occam Bandage]

21. God. John McCain is totally obsolete now.

[Yael]

80. There it is...

Sad, isn't it?

[Catherina]

23. Fuck her and the horse she rode on n/t

:scared:

[maddiejoan]

You do know that

Obama would do exactly the same --right?

[Diamond Dog]

40. Alright. So instead of spinning it to suggest that Clinton would be a stronger 'commander-in-chief'

-- why not just drop it?

[maddiejoan]

49. She was asked a question

she answered it.

[Diamond Dog]

50. Okay. So she's a war-hawk.

Case closed.

[maddiejoan]

53. Then so is Obama

so what's your point?

[Diamond Dog]

58. He hasn't made any public statements suggesting that he's won over by the idea.

Whereas she seems to be using it as a political maneuver to win over the hawkish voters. Ergo, she's more interested in the nuclear option than he, ergo she's more of a hawk than he.

Case closed.

[maddiejoan]

61. He just did in the Penn debates

maybe you missed that.

[Diamond Dog]

64. He suggested it would be an option. She proactively suggested a 'nuclear umbrella'.

One is being cautious. The other is actively pursuing a policy of aggression. The two are not synonymous.

Case closed.

[BeyondGeography]

135. He said he would take "appropriate action" in the event of an attack by Iran

That's presidential-speak for not using a hypothetical to scare people and keeping your options wide open at the same time.

[Catherina]

84. He most certainly would not. That's what gets your panties in such a twist n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

181. If Obama becomes President he'll nuke Iran? n/t

[grasswire]

41. did you bother to read the statement in context???

It's false as reported in OP.

[JackORoses]

55. did you even bother reading the article before you started crying about false OPs?

That is what Hillary said. A very stupid choice of words, I agree.
Now she will pay for her error.
Sorry.
It's just that nobody wants another War-monger in office.

[grasswire]

66. gutterball. Just what Obama himself decried yesterday.

He would be ashamed of what you have done here.

[Diamond Dog]

68. Roffle. Go back to MyDD.

It's only bad when Obama supporters do it.

[meow mix]

34. nice Benedict graphic, click save!

ty

[johnnydrama]

35. hasn't she said?

She wouldn't allow Iran to get nukes in the first place? Is she already admitting she wouldn't be able to stop them?

[Leopolds Ghost]

182. Funny, that. "As security chief, I promise that each and every break-in will be dealt with!"

[Diamond Dog]

46. Beyond which, I'm tired of all this Israel-wanking, anyway.

It's only done to appease the rabid Religious Right, who think that Israel will be destroyed any after the Lawd comes back. Fuck them.

[sniffa]

56. Wow. I come back and I see Ignored is all over this thread

Good job. :thumbsup:

[Catherina]

67. Sniffa, take them off ignore.

This is too dangerous. She's talking about nuking millions of innocent people.

God pity our country if we do.

[JackORoses]

103. they are in full damage control mode. they know this was a fuck up.

[sniffa]

136. Was it though? Was it?

[4themind]

69. Seems like just yesterday she criticzed obama

for saying he'd take out a target in pakistan without the governments permission, now she could be interpreted from her statement to want to obliterate an entire nation, if the questioned scenario took place...

[indepat]

70. So Hil would obliterate 70 million people if their government's actions/inactions do not please her

to a tee, no matter how justified their actions/inactions may be. Of course, Israel would never provoke nor pre-emptively attack another and it seems we can depend on Hillary to be totally supportive of Israel, no matter how infamous their actions/agenda might be. How peachy keen: how special. Some of us remember the USS Liberty, Hil. :D

[Nitrogenica]

73. Look at the shot of alchohol to show you are one of us!

[CakeGrrl]

76. Roger Waters called it

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/british%20waters%20blasts%20clinton%20backs%20obama_1065400

<snip>

"Hillary will want to make her mark and show that she can be just as good as a male president, and she will f**king invade Iran. Trust me. She voted to declare the Iranian Republican Guard a terrorist organisation."

The world is SO looking forward to President Clinton II.
:sarcasm:

[Diamond Dog]

77. Hillary Clinton is the second coming of Lyndon B. Goddamn Johnson. n/t

[maddiejoan]

95. and

in S 970 Obama did the same thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4165479&mesg_id=4165479

[DerekJ]

82. You know what, I'm becoming more and more convinced that you're a big danger to the whole world.

If you elect another NeoCon, I'll move to Europe before you turn your nukes on us.

[Diamond Dog]

86. There must be massive domestic resistance to another neo-liberal Presidency.

If Clinton does become President, we must turn her into a lame duck from day one on foreign policy. Massive grassroots organized to cripple her in the cradle have to become the order of the day.

[Cali_Democrat]

88. This woman shouldn't be anywhere near that red button

I don't even hear Bush talking about totally obliterating countries. Now she proclaims that she will attack and obliterate Iran. What a warmongering WITCH!! She is just itching to drop a nuke on someone.

She also never read the intelligence report which said Iran was not developing a nuke.

She also wants to INCREASE our involvement in the Middle East by creating a Middle Eastern NATO.

America sticking it's nose in the Middle East for decades led to 9/11. Now she wants increased involvement and she is threatening countries there with nuclear annihilation.

[eridani]

165. Can you make your point without the "witch" reference?

Disrespectful to women and Wiccans, and totally unnecessary.

[depakid]

89. Obama has a similar policy

and has stated as much on several occasions.

[Diamond Dog]

93. Not quite. Obama wants to try to bring Iran to the bargaining table.

Clinton wants to construct a 'nuclear umbrella' around the Middle East.

Similar?

[depakid]

104. Nope- despite the hyperbole, their positions are similar (if not damn near identical)

"Obama earlier pledged to Jewish voters here that he would do his utmost to help Israel fend off any regional threat, as he criticized ex-president Jimmy Carter for seeking to meet with Hamas leaders.

At the debate, he said: "An (Iranian) attack on Israel is an attack on our strongest ally in the region, one whose security we consider paramount.

"That would be an act of aggression that I would consider unacceptable and the United States would take appropriate action."

Clinton, whose New York senate seat represents a high proportion of Jewish voters, was more categorical.

"And we will let the Iranians know that, yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation," she said.

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Obama_Clinton_pledge_to_defend_Israel_against_Iran_999.html

[mckeown1128]

118. "appropriate action" is hardly "obliterating them" NT

[depakid]

131. "Appropriate action" is simply diplomatic code wording

for "massive retaliation," and military planners both here and abroad know exactly what it means in cases like this.

[mckeown1128]

139. No it isn't... don't try to spin that BS.

Yes "appropriate action" is full nuclear war on a country??? really? I think you are in the wrong party. I know a website you would love where they think like that.

[depakid]

140. I know you're young, but eventually you'll see enough of the language to understand:

what "unacceptable" and "appropriate action" means in this context.

[mckeown1128]

142. Don't talk down to me.

I know what the context is and it is hardly "obliterating another country."You are the perfect example of what is wrong with Clinton supporters... you pull this ageist shit every time you are losing an argument... at least you didn't call me sexist or accuse me of drinking the cult cool-aid or accuse me of white guilt... at least I only got the ageist crap.

How old are you since you want to bring age into things???

[depakid]

143. Old enough to have been through the cold war

and heard more than enough bantering and phrasings like this to last a lifetime.

Keywords:

"mutually assured destruction," "strategic deterrence" and "nuclear freeze"

[mckeown1128]

158. 1. Obama hasn't said any of those words...

and 2. Do you really think it is a good idea to play nuclear chicken with Iran?

[depakid]

160. Of course he hasn't -that would be anachronistic in this context

yet the concepts still apply- and Obama being essentially my age (we got our undergrad degrees the same year) he knows the rhetoric well.

As to point #2, given his major and specialization at Columbia, he's probably studied game theory angles with respect to strategic deterrence, and understands that "nuclear chicken" (used loosely- and as opposed to "brinksmanship") is part and parcel to the larger picture.

That assumption, btw, is to his credit.

[Leopolds Ghost]

183. Explain to me what GHW Bush meant, then, when he (a) refused Israeli entreaties to retaliate

against an ACTUAL attack; and (b) refused to nuke Iraq after declaring
their actions "unacceptable" and promising to take "appropriate action"
and, oh yeah, BLUFFING that he WOULD nuke Iraqi civilians if they used
chemical warfare against US TROOPS.

Since when did Israel become a treaty ally, anyhow? As I recall, we
didn't wage war on Syria, Egypt and Jordan in the 1960's / 1970s!

[Orsino]

94. Out of context.

It was a stupid question, and her hawkish posturing was even stupider. ABC wanted to know what it would take to get her to commit us to war, and they found out--never mind the inherent complexities of the million-and-one variations on the situation they postulated.

Here's a lesson for Obama: when the MSM is salivating for war, don't give it to 'em.

[L0oniX]

98. Mrs Chickenhawk is a repuke. Well now she can chum around with the rat Lieberman.

[tbyg52]

100. If anybody's taking it out of context, it's ABC

The OP is straight off the story at the link, and what's quoted is what's there.

I'm getting worried by her "I'll show them I'm tougher than the R's" verbiage.

[rucky]

117. Then she's been set-up by the media, and will need to clarify that statement.

same shit they pull on Obama.

[tbyg52]

132. Oops, dupe

'Puter lied to me when it said the first one didn't go through....

[tbyg52]

133. Yep. Maybe it was their twisted idea of making things even after the debate..... ;-> nt

[rucky]

141. That thought crossed my mind, as well.

hey ABC, there's an easier way to be fair that doesn't involve slime.

[WinkyDink]

111. Does nobody care to find fault with an IRANIAN ATTACK on ISRAEL?

[Diamond Dog]

114. Fault? Sure.

Our mess? Not at all.

[Yael]

124. As a dual citizen and paying member of Likud

(breathe into the bag people, it is a different world over there)

I think she can handle her own without the US threatening to "obliterate" a neighbor.

[newmajority]

129. Sure. And I would also find fault with an Easter Bunny militia assault on the North Pole.

Santa Claus is a crucial ally too, ya know.

But I'm sure that NEITHER attack is going to happen, so the only thing left to be disturbed about is....

The sickening WARMONGERING of a so-called "Democratic" candidate for President. :puke:

[Leopolds Ghost]

185. Santa Claus is NO LONGER an ally. His crazed son has siezed world stockpiles of Judeum

And is planning to blow up CHanukkah.

This agression will not stand!

Fortunately, Obama has just the man for the job:

Hillary... not so much.

[eridani]

166. The issue is one of probability. I'd bet on Israel aggressively invading ---

--a foreign country ahead of Iran. Israel has in fact invaded and destroyed the infrastructure of Lebanon twices. Iran and its predecessor kingdoms have not waged aggressive war since the Sassanid dynasty, which is damned close to a millenium.

[Arugula Latte]

113. Jesus. No wonder the powers that be are bent out of shape about Obama

They were counting on yet another war-mongering corporate whore being elected -- either Hillary or McCain. :puke:

[blogslut]

121. A nuclear Umbrella?

Gee, won't that be awesome? We can make them and sell them to all our "friends"! We'll be rich!

[Erin Elizabeth]

122. HOLY SHIT.

Did she ACTUALLY SAY THAT??? SERIOUSLY????

Ohmygod. How can anyone support something that fucking LOOONEY????

:scared:

[AtomicKitten]

125. Um, she's begging for the VP slot of the wrong party.

Holy shit!

[Yael]

127. Yes, but unlike *, we can't call her a Terra mongering ape

because that would be disrespectful.

[AZBlue]

152. My suspicions of that grow stronger with every day and each right-leaning comment.

[BeyondGeography]

134. "We would be able to totally obliterate them."

I'm starting to think she might actually be dangerous.

[madrchsod]

147. you might be right

"talk softly and carry a big stick" is lost on the badb...

[brindis_desala]

146. There are so many things wrong with this

1) IRAN does not have nuclear weapons and according to the NIE it has suspended its program

2) Even if it has recently restarted the program it is at least 5 and probably 10 years away from the solving the technical hurdles

3) Israel is a relatively minuscule state which means any strike against it would result in fallout throughout the region.

4) The hypothetical is a overt neocon talking point that sets the stage for a more bellicose posture vis a vis Iran

5) It causes further (unnecessary) anxiety to the already extremely vulnerable Israeli citizenry.

[madrchsod]

149. iran lost more men during the iran-iraq war

than america has in all the wars of the last century.
they were grateful that we took out saddam for them.
they are thankful that we have driven-up the price of oil and gas.
they were the first people in the middle east to support us after 9-11
they are grateful that we rid their borders of bin`s boys

it will be a cold day in hell before iran attacks israel

[brindis_desala]

151. You are correct but the neocons in the Likud and in Washington

(along with the Saudis) need their "strategy of tension"

[madrchsod]

161. of course that`s why

intelligent people know there is no easy answer....turning a nation into a sheet of glass is so much easier to say

[LTR]

154. Talk about giving her enough rope to hang herself

Does she really think Democrats will vote for her? Or is she going straight for Republicans? Who hate her guts.

[Emillereid]

159. This why I decided I could not vote or work for Clinton -- after I watched her

say pretty much the same thing during an AIPAC speech last year I knew she was the same kind of warmonger Cheney is. She NUTS!!!

[Kaleva]

162. If Iran was to attack Israel with nukes

that nation would suffer massive retaliation from the US regardless of who happens to be sitting in the Oval Office. Be it Clinton, Obama, or McCain.

[eridani]

167. See prior post about the threat of the Easter Bunny using nukes on Santa n/t

[eridani]

168. Some pictures of the people she wants to obliterate

They held spontaneous vigils for the 9/11 victims.

http://blackkrishna.blogspot.com/2006/02/gratuitous-googling-gets-iran-is-also.html

[Zueda]

169. I can't imagine even George Bush saying anything like that!

[milkyway]

170. Why the fuck would Iran nuke Israel? There's our great media again--ABC must be trying

to outFox Fox.

Why didn't he ask her what she would do if Cuba attacked the U.S. with biological weapons?

[redqueen]

210. Thank you!

:applause:

[dailykoff]

171. What country does she think she's running in?

Brooklyn maybe?

[Leopolds Ghost]

172. Thank God she will never be President, thus rendering her statement eternally and logically true

Think of all the apocalypses we've averted thanks to people like Obama
and JFK. That is why I believe there IS a God.

If you think we're in for troubled times, just imagine how much worse it
could be with a right-wing, socially liberal hawk as the personification
of liberalism... talk about mutual assured destruction.

[Scurrilous]

189. Yep..

...thank God she'll never be President.

[dailykoff]

179. Just another day in Lulu land

if you catch my drift. :crazy:

[earth mom]

184. There's a higher likelihood of Israel going after Iran. Anyone see rapture nut Hagee on PBS

a few weeks ago? He's pushing for it big time. :scared:

BTW, Hillary said "IF". It's obvious she said it to appear strong.

[bridgit]

187. Send the detractors of America a candy-gram sealed with a kiss...that ought to do it

:thumbsup:

[burythehatchet]

191. It was a beautiful display of breat thumping. What a piece of work

[workinclasszero]

194. She voted for the Iraq invasion

BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB Iran...........

Hillary will make a good VP for McCain.:puke:

[leveymg]

195. Read the accompanying article about Bob Gates: " "Another war in the Middle East is the last thing

"Another war in the Middle East is the last thing we need and, in fact, I believe it would be disastrous on a number of levels," http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WireStory?id=4698444&page=1

Thank Gawd Gates is Defense Secretary and Hillary is just another failed candidate for President. She clearly doesn't have the steady temprament required for a job involving decisions over the use of nuclear weapons and military power.

[Vinca]

200. OMG - I've always said if a Republican is elected, I'm moving

to Canada. Maybe I'll have to apply the same standard to a Hillary election. Just what we need - another crazy, nuke happy president.

[barack the house]

202. For those that don't get it imagine Iran had said similar about America.

The Israel off the map thing was a misquote it is only Hillary that now has said this.

[invictus]

204. Hillary is as insane as McCain. n/t

[Eurobabe]

205. Hillary is a NEOCON

[theboss]

212. I'm no Hillary fan, but this would be the position of any American president

Do you really think anyone not named Pat Buchanan would let Iran attack Israel with nuclear weapons and not respond?

Iran has to know that any nuclear attack on any country is an act of suicide. Period. End of discussion.

[flyarm]

215. op has comprehension problems eh??????? eom

[chill_wind]

217. Translation: I want the Richard Mellon Scaife wing of my party to vote for me on Tuesday.

And to donate lots more money. I could use the cash.

Man, I'm seriously afraid to wonder what she could have promised to this uber rich winger in return for his "endorsement".

[TPILOL]

218. Iran is not Iraq

Repuglicans lied about Iraq but Hillary isn't lying about Iran they are really bad