Did Obama actually say, quote, "I'm going to lose," unquote, or

[A-Schwarzenegger]

did he say merely "I'm not going to predict a victory,"
which is quite different. Twice on MSNBC just now it was
stated that he said "I'm going to lose."

[goclark]

1. They are going after him with four feet now

I didn't here his remarks but don't think he would say it that way.

[Saturday]

2. He said he wouldn't win. nt

[A-Schwarzenegger]

3. Do you have the quote? Thanks.

[nonobadfish]

4. Here's the exact quote...

"I’m not predicting a win. I’m predicting it’s going to be close and that we are going to do a lot better than people expect," he says.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

6. Thank you. So he did not say he was not going to win.

[nonobadfish]

8. No, just that he was not predicting it...here's the link

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Obama_Im_not_predicting_a_win.html

There is a link there to the actual audio because he said it on a Philadelphia radio show.

[H2O Man]

12. Right.

He did not say it. Those who say he did are fibbing. Those who say there is no difference are lying to themselves.

[berni_mccoy]

33. Well said H2O.

[rug]

5. What's the difference? He is incapable of making a single unqualified statement.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

7. If you dont see the difference, you dont see the difference.

Not my job to enlighten you.

[Cha]

16. Yeah, that's the Dalai Lama's job..

And, I'm going to see him tomorrow and forget all about the PA Primary for a few hours(yeah right) and come back and see what happened. :o

If Obama gets the Presidency it won't be 'cause the m$$$fm didn't try their damnest to discourage everyone from voting for him.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

17. The Dalai Lama said, "I'm not going to predict an enlightenment."

[rug]

18. It's not his job either He's not qualified.

[Eric J in MN]

11. Less certainty in saying "I’m not predicting a win"

...than if he had said "I won't win."

[rug]

19. And that's exactly how he talks about Iraq.

[stillcool]

24. How is that?

[rug]

30. All on the stump he's said he'll end the war in 2009.

On interviews he says it depends on the circumstances.

Other statements of his say in 16 months.

If he's not sure, he should just say so.

[stillcool]

35. I know this is a complete waste of my time...

because no matter what Information you see, you will still debase, accuse, and ridicule.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/
# Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.
# Press Iraq's leaders to reconcile: The best way to press Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq's Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.
# Regional Diplomacy: Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq's neighbors – including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq's borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq's sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq's reconstruction.
# Humanitarian Initiative: Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq's humanitarian crisis – two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven.

[bowens43]

20. You expect him to predict the future?

[rug]

22. Yes, he can.

[stillcool]

25. Hillary has been really good at it.

So good she didn't plan to campaign past Super Tuesday.

[stillcool]

23. Maybe he doesn't have the crystal ball...

that Hillary does. I wonder why that is?

[rug]

28. Maybe he's simply evasive.

[stillcool]

29. so he really knows..

and is not saying?

[rug]

31. Yes he knows he'll lose but won't say it. Why?

[stillcool]

34. and how would he know that?

are the results guaranteed?

[DerekJ]

9. Good, That's what we want the message now to be. Let it be.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

13. There's "lowering expectations," and then there's "Eh, why vote?"

"I'm not going to win" would be a disspiriting message.

[dbmk]

21. And there might not be a reason for either

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5608247

At the end I have the most current polls. PPP has had a 3 point difference swinging back and forth for 4 weeks now. And the last one says Obama +3.

[stillcool]

26. Well when the opposing candidate..

is favored to win by 20+, and Pennsylvania is "Hillary Country", what would you expect?

[barack the house]

10. ...

[BlooInBloo]

14. Of course not. It's just Clinton supporters lying about quotes. They do it a fair bit.

[GoesTo11]

15. His campaign hasn't been into expectation game drama

[stillcool]

27. Hillary is going to win by 20+...

Isn't that what Clinton needs to win in order to assert that she has hope of catching up to his lead? Isn't that where the goal post is? The fire-wall?

[GoesTo11]

32. This isn't about hope of catching up to his lead

It's about hope of - I don't even know what. Does she really think the superdelegates are going to go for her en masse because of some trumped up story about winning the states that count?

Even if she stays in and does a better than her expectations, she'll still be down by 150 pledged delegates. That means of the 300 remaining super delegates, she'd have to get 213 of them. A story that's plausible to a few ain't gonna cut it.