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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:45 PM
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I'm so angry I can hardly type this - Obama and Clinton supporters
please calm me down.

I just answered the phone and received a call from a supposedly Clinton supporter. I politely listened and he asked if I could vote for Hillary tomorrow. I told him I was voting for Barack Obama.

Then he said: "Let me ask you something. If Barack Obama is standing on the stage with the American Flag, do you think he will make us proud that we are Americans???"

WTF?? I let him have it.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:45 PM
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1. omg
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:28 PM
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110. someone on teevee said clinton was pushpolling around the
state and it wasn't pretty. good for you, honey. this shit is vile.
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Diamond Dog Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:46 PM
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2. Because faux-patriotism is more important that policies.
And that's a fact.

wink wink hint hint
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:46 PM
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3. ...
:wow:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 PM
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4. I know I'll be proud of you.
I know many in the world would be.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:30 PM
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111. Obama will make us VERY proud!!! I'd have tore into him as well!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 PM
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5. And there you have it.
:nuke:
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 PM
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6. Thanks for posting this
We will never know just how dirty things will get this evening if people like you don't tell us.

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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 PM
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9. I'm still shaking
My husband asked me who I was yelling at! I told this guy I hope to God he wasn't told by the Clinton campaign to say these things because I was about to let all my friends know what he said.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:50 PM
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15. And rightfully so, everyone should post the context of these calls
But quit shaking. It will all be over soon. Try and relax and focus on Barack closing the gap, against all odds.

Sam
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:19 PM
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150. Positivity is great, but what about realism?
Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 04:22 PM by Number23
Try and relax and focus on Barack closing the gap, against all odds.

I love your positivity, but do you really think that this is feasible since every attempt is being made to make sure that the worse qualities of our country (fear, racism, xenophobia) are the tools being used to motivate the populace to vote?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:47 PM
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7. Lol - guess that caller didn't know who he was dealing with...
YES, WE CAN! :)
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:49 PM
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13. Yes, We Can!!
:-)
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 PM
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8. Just think: It ends tomorrow.
Breathe deeply. Have a beer.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:07 PM
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142. we hope
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JBShakes Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:27 PM
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145. Yes, have a beer.
And maybe a shot of Crown Royal. 'Cuz that's what us "optimistic, ready to roll up our sleeves and work" Pennsylvanians drink.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:48 PM
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10. I support Hillary Clinton, and I'll be one to say that's awful.
That person was definitely not on a script.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:50 PM
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14. It's pitiful
:grr:
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:52 PM
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20. May not have been on the script
But the surest way to lead is by example. You can bet that the HRC campaign didn't tell their supporters NOT to bash Obama, and then she's up there every day campaigning like a puke... this isn't surprising in the slightest.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM
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64. Or it could be some person sitting in his or her house who pulled down a list electronically...
and is calling on his or her cell phone without reading the instructions.

It's almost protocol for a campaign to tell staffers not to slam the opponent - I've worked for two.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:11 PM
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73. I worked on a Congressional campaign in CA back in 2004
None of our scripts slammed the incumbent - although he needed slammed (Darrell Issa).
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:18 PM
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81. Darrell Issa - ewww.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #81
84. Exactly and he is still there
It's a heavily Republican district - gerrymandered a while back.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:23 PM
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108. But have you worked for Hillary's campaign?
If not, you can't speak to what her campaign does.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:33 PM
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123. That is exactly what the Clintons have been saying for months
Dropping "hussein". Forwarding the native garb pictures. The "drug dealer" insinuations. The 3 am ads. Appeasing "dictators". The ridiculous "elitism" nonsense.

That's what you support.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:37 PM
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129. That's my thought, too. n/t
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:39 PM
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134. I agree. n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:49 PM
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11. I phoned for Obama in Wa. St. The FIRST thing the campaign said was, 'don't say bad things about HC
The campaign said that were were to simply reply that Hillary was a good candidate, too. That the Obama campaign is based on respect, and callers were to simply remind the voters who supported Hillary to go to the polls and vote.

The difference in their campaign styles says so much about these two candidates. I"m sure the trast talk about Obama is coming straight from the very top levels of her campaign.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:50 PM
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16. I told him to screw himself!!!
OMG, I'm a 55 year old woman. I was so angry.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:17 PM
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105. Good for you!!! Stuff like this happened to me...
...in Iowa.

I was push polled and I was shaking. I was asked if it bothered me that
John Edwards was out campaigning while his wife was suffering from cancer.

I yelled at the pollster and told her what she was doing was a push poll and
that it was highly immoral. She got her "manager" on the phone and I expressed
my displeasure.

I demanded to know who was behind the call, and they could only tell me the name
of their organization.

I know how upsetting this stuff can be. You handled it very, very well. You had the
guts to yell and speak your mind. That's way cool. You'd feel a lot worse if you
were stunned into silence. You can be at peace knowing that you spoke your mind!

These worst is over--now you just need to come down from your severe adrenaline jolt!
Your 'fight or flight' response kicked in--and you fought!

Be proud of yourself. :)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #16
112. you are my hero, darling. I used to call during elections for the
unions. Got two dead people that way. their families were cool though. :+
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:22 PM
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120. Good for you!! I don't blame you at all for being angry
I'm a 45 year old woman and I would have said worse. Their ears would have been burning.
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:08 PM
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143. What, if any , reply did he have
when you told him to go eff himself? Or did you just slam down the phone? In any event, good for you and I don't blame you one bit for reacting to the outrageous smear on Obama. Just calm down and have a drink or two, or three if that does it. Obama will prevail, it will just take a while for Hilary to get through those five stages of grief and accept the inevitable.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:49 PM
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12. Ugh
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:51 PM
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17. Oooo, what exactly did you say and what did he respond
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:52 PM
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21. I said something like:
How dare you! This is ridiculous. I guess next you'll be telling me how could I vote for a Muslim.

I said I hoped to God he wasn't told to say this from the Clinton campaign because I was going to tell all my friends what just happened.

Then I told him to go screw himself!!!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:51 PM
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18. It's so unbelievably trivial. . .like lapel pins.
we have endless war or eternal peace to resolve, never mind the small issue or the ever widening issues of the ever augmented issue of the have's and the have not's.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:51 PM
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19. Let the Clinton office know about that...I HIGHLY doubt that was part of their script.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:53 PM
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23. I wish I wrote down his name
He said it, first and last name.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:53 PM
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24. I agree and ask to talk to a supervisor and be calm
Probable the woman that called you was the one that had the flag lapel question.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:55 PM
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29. It was an older gentleman....
I can't even remember his name. I guess he thought the American flag deal would play well out here in rural PA.

He wouldn't know I'm an old hippie :-). I think he does now.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:38 PM
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132. Did it sound like Bill? Maybe they have him on the phonebanks now. n/t
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:55 PM
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30. I agree. Both campaigns probably have supporters who get off-message.
Last weekend I went canvassing with a colleague, and when I heard him talking down Clinton's healthcare plan, I told him that the campaign wasn't encouraging supporters to do negative campaigning, and that I thought he ought to cool it. This is disturbing, but it's probably just a volunteer. You should call the Clinton campaign and let them know, and let Obama's campaign know too.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:58 PM
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34. I'm sure it's a volunteer
I'll see who I can contact.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:39 PM
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133. On the other hand, it could have been Mark Penn. n/t
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:52 PM
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22. Contact the Clinton Campaign and let them know they have a problem with a phonebanker.
If they do nothing then nothing can be done. These people need to be caught with phone recorders.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:54 PM
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26. Sorry.....I can't even remember what he said his name was
It was unbelievable. He shouldn't have challenged me on my vote. Not like that. I thought he was going to ask me some policy question.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:57 PM
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33. They can usually track down who made the call to what number.
Their logs will reveal the idiot and he will be kicked out.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:58 PM
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35. Thanks. I'll see what I can do
:hi: I'm working at the polls tomorrow. It will be a long day.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:59 PM
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36. Also remember that phonebanking usually means just talking about your candidate and not the other.
Because that can get your campaign in trouble REALLY quick because people tend to blow up small things and that causes bad PR.

So I can say that Clinton had nothing to do with this.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:02 PM
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45. do you have caller ID? If so they might be able to ID which phone was being used to call you
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM
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49. No caller ID
:-(
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:04 PM
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53. But they do. They have logs to phone numbers
So they will easily track down who it was if they have your phone number.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:41 PM
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136. If he called from his home, they will have no record of it. The best
they could do is see which volunteers got which phone lists. Even then it's doubtful they'd try to figure it out since it's over today and then they move on.

Now, if those phone lists were given to out of state people, it'd be worth it for them to identify the caller since he might volunteer again.

I only mention this because I made Obama calls on my mobile and my son used his mobile, too.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:41 PM
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137. Can you dial *69? At least get the phone number? nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:53 PM
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25. No one can make you proud. Only the vulnerable need others to tell them what they are worth.
Pride is the product of a genuinely valid self-concept. Only you can make yourself proud. If you need someone to "make" you proud, you are an empty person.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. Amen
:-)
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. That's so wrong-headed it's scarey. We're talking incipient Fascist here,
if not a full blown out there "brown-shirt".
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. It is rural PA - some people are a bit scary in their
thought processes....
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 PM
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Pressure. Things are not going well.
Just about everybody I know is feeling kind of desparate. (And I :crazy: can't seem to spell anymore, all-of-a-sudden.)
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:54 PM
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27. Richard Nixon, call your office. HRC has learned well from the master of dirty tricks, and would
make Tricky Dick proud.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
88. I have a feeling Nixon has been watching this whole campaign from his office.... in HELL
...and laughing his burning ass off :evilgrin:
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:55 PM
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28. Petty ass Hillary tactics.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. I do not think the Clinton Campaign had anything to do with this.
We have seen some Clinton Supporters go nuts with desperation so likely the case with that Phonebanker.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
140. Oh come on. Desperation is NOT totally a Clinton emotion
Obama people get RUDE, NAMECALLING and MENACING too. I know, I've read the posts here.

People are people. These tactics are not typical to one campaign or another.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:56 PM
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31. Obama standing on that stage would make me proud
Whoever called you tonight is an asshole. For the record Clinton talked again tonight (on KO) about what a positive historic accomplishment it is for America to have an African American and a woman seriously competing for the office of President.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #31
39. I'm sure this guy thought he would "score some points"
out here in rural PA with that line. Wrong.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:59 PM
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37. Yikes. That guy's a loose cannon! I'm sure the campaign would not want
him to say complete shit like that. I would definitely call them.

It amazes me that people like him can't imagine that anyone would disagree with their POV.
He probably didn't care that you were going to tell your friends because all of his are a'holes like him.
What a garbage spewer!
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Good idea
I don't know if he was local to my county or what....

I ended up hanging up on him after I told him to go screw himself. LOL :-). I'm a 55 year old woman. My husband was laughing at me, but he knows how mad I can get.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. Well calls are logged so please go contact them.
Give them your number and they will go into the logs and fine the idiot who called you.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Thanks Zachstar
:hi:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 07:59 PM
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38. Hillary has no money for these kinds of ops which cost $$$$. These are classic dirty ops that CREEP
staged in 1972 against the Democratic primary.

http://www.woodstockjournal.com/elections.html

In the days before the March 7 New Hampshire Primary
blue collar workers in Manchester, NH
found their phones ringing after midnight
with fake Muskie questions.

There were two types of calls:
1. when the caller identified himself as a member of the
“Harlem for Muskie Committee:
and promised that Senator Muskie would deliver “full justice for
Black people”
2. when the caller identified himself as a Muskie pollster, and asked
the midnight call recipient for whom he or she was voting
Then quickly the fake Nixon pollster would call back 2, 3, 4 times
with the same question


Also remember that it is easy for people to report receiving these calls when they have not received them as a way of smearing one candidate or the other. No one actually makes these kinds of calls anymore. If they are made, they are made as oppo by the opponent. However, unless there is recorded proof, assume that it is a made up story.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
65. Yes. Surely, Candidate Clinton isn't interested in gutter level shit-flinging
Oh, wait, she is.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #65
72. lol
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #38
69. She has no money to had phone caller GOTV? lol
It was just an overly enthusiastic volunteer not an alumnus of the school of the McCamy Taylor's school of political conspiracies and dirty tricks lol.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:00 PM
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40. Was he local? Can you contact the Hillary campaign in your area?
I would go there and let them know this happened, immediately!

For good measure, let the head of the local Obama campaign and the head of your local Dem party know about this, too. SPread the word to as many people as you can locally.

We can't let this continue to happen -- I just posted about Hillary surrogates sending race baiting comments, and this is all starting to get me really pissed off. This is unacceptable.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. I would also add to that.. Contact local media.
If they get several reports they will note it and people will know there is but a loose cannon on the phone.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:02 PM
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46. Do you have caller ID?
You might be able to trace the source of the call with the originating phone number. It may be that it wasn't the Clinton campaign calling you. Could be some group from the GOP side.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #46
54. No caller ID
I even said to him, I hope this isn't representative of the Clinton campaign.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #54
67. Well, that's a shame
I know that during the Texas Prima-Caucus, the calls that came from the Clinton campaign read: "Clinton For President" on my caller ID. Of course, they were robo-calls.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM
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50. How do you know it was from Clinton and not from the RNC playing Divide and Conquer?
They did it in 1972, they are doing it now.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #50
60. I don't know but he started his intro with: This is ________
calling from the Hillary Clinton campaign. It's the first live Hillary Clinton campaign caller we have received. We had a few robocalls until now.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. Can you do *69 and get the number of the caller?
I would try to find out where this call was made from.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. I tried - I got a recording that said
We're sorry, the number cannot be retrieved by this method :shrug:.
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #50
76. No Einstein. Rove wouldn't target rural Penn with that schtick
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:03 PM
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51. Contact The Press And Let Them Have It
:shrug:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #51
63. Good idea - if it gets into the morning paper
.....
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM
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55. Scumsucker...I'm sorry you had to hear that vermin...
I hope you chewed him out.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #55
78. Oh yeah - my final words were:
Go screw yourself! OMG, I'm a 55 year old woman, too. My husband was laughing at me :eyes:
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #78
148. Confess -- did you say "screw"

Or something that rhymes with truck?
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM
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56. I wish you had recorded it.. I hope if any other PA voters get a call like this you will record it..
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM
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57. I've heard from friends that calls are being made all over PA saying Obama will
take away peoples guns and that he supports killing unborn children. I wonder who is making these calls the day before the Primary? Any guesses? Could it be the right wing hate machine - it sounds like the right wing hate machine, but that's not what I'm thinking.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. I don't know. I'm still fuming. I should have called my
husband over so he could hear it too.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #57
92. One of the guests on Hardball said that exact same thing.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM
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58. You know what, that was most likely one of Limbaugh's sheeple. A crossover WAY out of his depth. nt
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #58
91. It could have been
I guess he could have been reading from some right wing script.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:05 PM
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59. that is an idiotic question...
what exactly was he getting at? do you know who he was affiliated with?
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #59
89. He started by saying his name and that he was calling on
behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Some of the things I said to him included that I hoped he wasn't representative of her campaign because this was ridiculous to bring up. I said that what are you going to say next, that he is a Muslim?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM
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61. Yes. And to prove it, he will give that American Flag a long, loving, tongue-filled kiss.
Stroke it gently and tell it that it absolutely, positively, does not look fat in those pants.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. ROFL:
:rofl Thanks, that helps a bit :hi:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:06 PM
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62. WTG, it's like what do they take us for. Would be nice if they promoted her to us for change.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:07 PM by barack the house
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #62
70. He did say things like:
She will bring much needed jobs to our area and end the war in Iraq!
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:12 PM
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74. Report this to Josh Marshall (Talking Points Memo)
He will give this "front-page" attention if you want to tell the Internets about that jackass's behavior. He did the same thing for a NJ voter a few months back before their primary.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:14 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. Thanks TML
Going there now...
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #79
86. You're welcome.
I'll be keeping an eye on their front page during the evening. :-)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:13 PM
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77. Clinton supporters are indistinguishable from Freepers.... this caller was one of them...
...
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #77
95. Can we drop the broad brush?
Clinton supporters believe in their candidate; only some are willing to use gutter tactics.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:25 PM
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109. There are Clinton supporters and there are Hillbots
The person who made this phone call, the people who flood progressive radio shows with scripted calls, and the usual suspects here, definitely fall into the latter category.

Clinton supporters will adjust to reality when Hillary finally does, most of them probably before that. Indeed, some already have, right here at DU. The Hillbots may well need to be institutionalized for their own protection (as well as that of others)
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:17 PM
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80. HORRIBLE
and just despicable that a Democrat would stoop to using that against another Democrat. :-(
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. The caller sounded like an older gentlemen
(I'm 55). I guess he thought the flag deal was a great selling point.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:18 PM
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82. It's countdown time. I can image a few (from either camp) losing their composure.
I understand you being upset, but look at it this way.

That question he's asking is not going to work on Obama supporters.
He might just push those on the fence a little closer to voting for whomever they where leaning toward anyway.



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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. Maybe I upset him too much to continue
:-).
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #85
102. LOL, I don't doubt it ROFL. n/t
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:23 PM
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87. I've heard stories like this since Wisconsin...makes me proud of my O vote.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #87
90. It's a little late to call the few neighbors I have
I'm working at the polls tomorrow, so I'll ask around and see if anyone else received this type of call. My Mom lives down in the Pgh. suburbs. I can call her now :-).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:29 PM
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93. Why did this call upset you?
I'm not sure why you would be upset, rather than finding it hard not to laugh at him.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #93
94. I guess I assumed where he was going with this line
It just really set me off :-(. Presuming that because I lived in the assigned area code he was calling that I would be someone who could be swayed to vote for Hillary because Obama is not a good American :shrug:.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #94
99. You are right.
And he was wrong.

Who owns the problem? He does.
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:34 PM
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96. You should have told him: Absolutely! Why the hell wouldn't I?
Then you could have given him enough rope to hang himself.

No matter what happens tomorrow, everyone's favorite spoiler, Hillary, will still be "running".

And there are several more primaries, including one here in WV, for which we could use evidence of Hillary's deplorable tactics.

But hey, look on the bright side... You only had to deal with six weeks of this primary bullshit. We've had to see political ads here in Northern WV for all that time, plus another three weeks yet to come on top of that.

Ugh.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Yeah, that would have been a good answer
I always think of things I should have said. I think the best thing I said to him was that I hope he wasn't representing Hillary Clinton's campaign because he should be ashamed of himself :-).
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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #98
115. Indeed.
He should be ashamed of himself either way, the slimeball!

Again, I envy you for today being the end of PA primary season.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #96
103. Right On! nt
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:37 PM
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97. *sigh* unfortunately that sort of mindset is NOT limited. Sorry Ferraro but Obama will have to
battle this sort of ignorance but if there is a man who can it is Barack Obama!
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #97
100. I haven't seen anyone else in PA on DU post that they
received a live call like this. It was the first live call for Hillary we received...the others were robocalls.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:41 PM
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101. Thank you for offering your sharp disdain in response to his
vacuous, obnoxious question.

I hope you told him not to call my house while you had him on the phone, too.


:thumbsup:
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:10 PM
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104. What did you say????????
Please tell us how you responded when the Clinton volunteer said this?

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:19 PM
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106. What a jer!k! My dad got a call a little while ago -
said Obama would pass legislation to take his guns away. That he was actively working in the Senate to do so.

It gets ugly on election eve. Try not to let it bother you and lets hope Hillary's campaign ends tomorrow. :hi:
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #106
126. you did the right thing by stating your mind. eom.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:19 PM
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107. Oh good grief.
Republican talking points. Gotta love it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 09:34 PM
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113. Let it run off your shoulder like so much rain,
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.-Samuel Johnson, April 7th, 1775.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 11:32 PM
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114. Regardless of the candidate...anyone who would say such a thing
is a slug.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:20 AM
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116. That's about as dirty as it gets. nt
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:16 PM
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117. Yikes.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:19 PM
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118. wow, that's not good
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:20 PM
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119. I worked phone banks for Gore and Kerry both...
They pretty much leave the dialog up to the callers....I don't think anyone would have told him to say that
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Xero1 Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:29 PM
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121. It was farmed out...
Most of these push-polling firms are not maintained or overseen by the campaigns themselves. They are given a flat fee to phone bank with these questions 48 hours before an election. I have a friend who worked for one in Ohio during the 2004 campaign.

It's a situation that allows the campaign to enjoy the steak without seeing how they slaughter the cow.

Although, mostly these companies rely heavily on Republican campaigns for business, looks like Democrats have caught onto the winning smear & fear tactic Karl Rove perfected.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:32 PM
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122. Ah, the jingo-tactics come out. Love that DLC.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:33 PM
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124. What a horrible way to support a candidate
I hate to hear about that kind of thing on either side.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:34 PM
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125. Um... those callers are supposed to stay on script.
I hope he forgot that rule and was speaking his own mind at that time... cause if that's in the script...
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:35 PM
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127. I wonder how scripted are those calls? A loose-cannon volunteer can do a lot of damage. n/t
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:36 PM
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128. What kind of "Democratic" activist is that? Or is Rush's "Operation Chaos"
also have a mole operation in the Hillary campaign. Okay, call me naive, but I really think MOST people voting in the Democratic primaries are going to vote for the nominee no matter what.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:38 PM
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130. Typical HRC supporter. Just shake it off and vote your conscious.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:38 PM
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131. Clinton supporters do not support the Democratic party...
... once you get that piece of the puzzle, the rest makes perfect sense.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:49 PM
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141. The Clinton's support this...


December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html




Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.




Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance

By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.


On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.


Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties

By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.


In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager.
The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
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Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."




Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.


CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...

On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf


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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:41 PM
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135. That's when you need to mention Vince Foster
and that you are concerned it might come back to haunt her.

Because you know, tit for tat. Got to have a sense of humour-because lord knows they don't.
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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:28 PM
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146. Or
"Prouder than it made me to see that blue-stained dress on the national stage."
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 02:43 PM
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138. Good that you blasted that moron!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:23 PM
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144. It would make me very proud indeed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:29 PM
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147. Why should i believe you??
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:12 PM
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149. you know, it never ceases to amaze me at how quickly you assume
it is your opponent's supporters calling. this is right out of the republican playbook. trust me, there is nothing the repugs would like more than for you to get a bee in your bonnet over something that cannot be PROVEN to be your opponent's doing. calm the fuck down. you don't know any of this to be a fact.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:16 PM
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151. That was stupid and that person should be barred from the phone
Besides being offensive and rude, it's also very ineffective.

Apologies from this Hillary supporter.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 07:40 PM
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152. I would have just said yes
I usually don't waste time with bigots. There's nothing that can change them except progress, and that takes time.
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