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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:23 PM
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Clinton Needs Record Margins to Win Popular Vote
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:24 PM by Kerry2008
"To overtake Barack Obama in the nationwide popular vote, Hillary Clinton needs a bigger win in tomorrow's Pennsylvania primary than she has had in any major contest so far. And that's just for starters," Bloomberg reports.

"After more than 40 Democratic primaries and caucuses, Obama, the Illinois senator, leads Clinton by more than 800,000 votes. Even if the New York senator wins by more than 20 percentage points tomorrow -- a landslide few experts expect -- she would still have a hard time catching him."

Why does the popular vote count matter?

Walter Shapiro notes that at closed-to-the-press Clinton house party Friday night in Pennsylvania, New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine and director Rob Reiner -- both Clinton supporters -- continued to make the argument that the winner of the popular vote should get the Democratic nomination.


Obama has clear momentum going into PA!!

Proof? Here you go:

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that Sen. Barack Obama had one of his largest rallies of the presidential campaign today at Independence Hall in Philadelphia.

"The crowd -- the estimate of 35,000 came from officials at the Independence Visitors Center ---began assembling early, filling Independence Mall and spilling into the surrounding streets. They waited with relative patience, chanting "O-ba-ma" whenever the music stopped, until 8:45, when the rally finally started. They gave him a thunderous greeting and cheered often throughout a speech that was crafted with the setting in mind."


35,000 people? Need more proof...

Here you go.

""An historic spike in Democratic voter registrations in Pennsylvania could help Barack Obama cut into Hillary Clinton's vote in Tuesday's primary, robbing her of the big victory margin she needs to justify continuing the primary fight," according to The Politico.


To call this a win, Senator Clinton has to win HUGE in PA.

Obama is turning out the voters to his rallies, and showing clear momentum. He's out spent her hugely, and historic spikes in voter registrations. All these factors should benefit Obama going into tomorrow.

If Clinton wins by less than ten percent, or loses, it's over for her...

Not that it isn't already over. The Superdelegates will soon follow the leader (Obama) and he's going to run a tight race in Indiana and most likely win North Carolina.

The nominee? Barack Obama!

(All credit for the info used goes to politicalwire.com)
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:24 PM
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1. POPULAR VOTE DOES NOT MATTER.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:25 PM by SoonerPride
AT ALL.

repeat.

Popular vote does not matter.

The DELEGATE count is all that matters and it is IMPOSSIBLE for Hillary to overtake Barack Obama in pledged delgates. Her ONLY hope is to persuade Super Delegates to REVERSE the will of the people.

That is the ONLY scenario she has.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:25 PM
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2. Popular vote will matter to Superdelegates. And thankfully, Barack will win both.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:26 PM
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3. No it won't
But that's just my opinion.

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:29 PM
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5. I'm not sure you could back that opinion up....
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:29 PM
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4. Pledged delegate count becomes less relevant if it diverges from the popular vote.
Because it then no longer directly represents the "will of the people"

That is why it is important.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:30 PM
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Tell that to the Superdelegates.
Edited on Mon Apr-21-08 08:30 PM by rinsd
Because neither candidate will be able to achieve the majority of delegates on pledged delegates alone, the winner will be dependent upon Superdelegates.

Those delegates are uncommitted and can switch their support at any time.

Various Superdelegates have iffered up various rationales from winner of their district/state to pop vote to pledged delegate leader to electability.

If (big if of course) Hillary is winning the popular vote while Obama remains the pledged delegate leader, she can make the case to be the nominee.

When bonus delegates are handed out and proportional distribution leaves you with candidates winning districts but leaving tied with delegates, you can make the case for counting heads vs delegates.




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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:30 PM
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6. Are you leaving out the folks who stood up to be counted in michigan and florida?
It sounds like you are.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-21-08 08:31 PM
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7. Hillary knew the rules, agreed to them, and said herself they don't count.
Can't really call foul, can she?
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