Clinton to innocent Iranian sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers: We will obliterate you.

[datopbanana]

Because your government f*cked up.

[cliffordu]

1. NO: because Hillary lies about the Iranian Nuclear program.

[datopbanana]

2. she's trying to one up herself on fanning the flames of anti-American sentiment

authorizing a war in iraq wasn't enough

[Hardrada]

3. I have always thought she was a blood-stained Valkyrie

but the Valkyries have too much honor to include her in their august company. Not pleasing enough in voice to be a Siren. Perhaps she is a Medusa!!

[EFerrari]

4. Good luck with that, Hil.

Over my cold dead one. :grr:

[UndertheOcean]

5. How much she kills does not matter to her

she only cares about winning the AIPAC/NEOCON/REDNECK vote.

[Cali_Democrat]

6. She becomes more and more repulsive by the day

[boppers]

7. Collateral damage.

She still approves of it everyday in a war she voted for.

[bigtree]

8. Obama's no dove on Iran

Obama to AIPAC:

“The world must work to stop Iran's uranium enrichment program and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. It is far too dangerous to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a radical theocracy,” he said.

Even though all options were on the table, Obama said the utmost efforts should be devoted to “sustained and aggressive diplomacy combined with tough sanctions”.

Obama stressed the importance of preventing Iran’s nuclear armament, which could lead weapons of mass destruction into the hands of terrorists, inevitably causing other Middle East nations to join the race for nuclear weapons. “

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3371763,00.html


and this:

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said that he would work to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranians but that he would "take no options off the table when it comes to preventing them from using nuclear weapons or obtaining nuclear weapons, and that would include any threats directed at Israel or any of our allies in the region."

Iran need understand, he said, "that an attack on Israel is an attack on our strongest ally in the region, ...one whose security we consider paramount, and ...that would be an act of aggression that...I would consider an attack that is unacceptable, and the United States would take appropriate action."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/clintons-umbrel.html

[datopbanana]

10. Aug. 3, 2007 Obama: No nukes

"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama said, with a pause, "involving civilians."


He's talking about about fighting terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan but he's making a morality argument here so I assume is applies all over.

Of course he took a lot of criticism from HRC for this so he's backed away from it.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/03/politics/main3130942.shtml

[bigtree]

12. He said ALL options are on the table in 2008 for Iran

the other comment was about use of nukes against terrorists.

[datopbanana]

13. He's only saying that so HRC won't attack him over it again. He...

showed us how he thinks when he voted to ban cluster bombs (HRC didn't) and said no nukes against civilians.

[bigtree]

16. so he's for 'surgical' nuke strikes

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. And Clinton criticized him for being insufficiently hawkish on nuke posture

Never mind that nuke posture NEVER allowed unilateral nuke response to
conventional threats during the Cold War, placing your candidate to the
right of Nixon and WELL to the right of Reagan (who attended a conference
in Reykjavik where Gorby persuaded him to BAN nukes before his neocon
handlers got to work on him.) The one good thing Reagan ever did.

[datopbanana]

20. I can't believe you think "obliterating" a country is the right position

[bigtree]

31. that's not what I've posted here. try some honesty

[spoony]

23. So it's okay for him to say it

because he's lying. Gotcha.

Both of them with their appeals to the sabre-rattlers are making me grimace.

[datopbanana]

25. He didn't SAY he'd obliterate an entire country. He didn't lie he's not talking about it anymor

[spoony]

27. So "all options" now means "not ALL options"?

And what does not talking about it "anymore" have to do with what he said and what you've asserted he meant?

[datopbanana]

28. saying all options is COMPLETELY different than what HRC said.

Saying you WON'T RULE SOMETHING OUT is different than saying you're FOR something.

[Life Long Dem]

15. And all Iran has to do is "consider" attacking Israel before they are blown off the planet.

Sound like Bush?

[bigtree]

17. of course, that's not her position.

Speaking at a meeting of newspaper publishers, Clinton sought to strike a balance between the hawkish approach taken by the Bush administration and her Democratic rival Barack Obama's call for face-to-face talks with the Iranian president.

"The approach that the Bush administration has taken toward Iran has been a loser. It has neither changed behaviors or produced results," said Clinton, a former first lady who would be the first woman president.

"I've advocated both that carrot and that stick, and I think that would be what I (would) take to try to create the beginning of lower levels of diplomatic engagement, some ongoing process," the New York senator said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080415/pl_nm/usa_politics_clinton_iran_dc




Clinton: No Military Action on Iran Without Congressional Authority

Iran is a Threat but U.S. Must Proceed Wisely Before Acting in Light of White House Blunders in Iraq

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=269287&&

[Taxmyth]

9. Obama to Israel, If Iran nukes you then I will talk to them sternly

Give me a break.

[datopbanana]

11. Clinton to Iranians, If Iran nukes Israel then I will kill you and your children.

Give me a break.

[Taxmyth]

14. That is certainly more of a deterrent

than having them think a President Obama would let them do it with impunity. I guess he meant he would be using a switch instead of a stick when he used the phrase "offer them carrots and sticks".

[datopbanana]

18. lol why don't we nuke all their allies too. It's an unacceptable solution

[Taxmyth]

22. Why do Obama supporters love nuclear weapons?

It's actually kind of frightening. It's not Senator Clinton that said "I will obliterate every man, woman and child and the entire countryside in Iran with nuclear weapons" or anything even remotely similar. It's all the Obama supporters that are saying that's what she MEANT.

It was a rhetorical question answered with political rhetoric albeit tougher rhetoric than "appropriate response" or "take no options off the table".

Either Senator Obama supporters are mindreaders to have gleaned this from what Senator Clinton said, or they are bullshitting just to make her look bad, or they are complete fools. Choose one.

[datopbanana]

24. Obama said "no nukes" Clinton said "obliterate" iran. Choose one

oh and

"It's all the Obama supporters that are saying that's what she MEANT.

Either Senator Obama supporters are mindreaders to have gleaned this from what Senator Clinton said, or they are bullshitting just to make her look bad, or they are complete fools."


That is exactly what Hillary (and her supporters) did with baracks bitter remarks. So don't claim clinton supporters are in any way more honest.

[Taxmyth]

30. Senator Obama ruled out a nuclear response if Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons?

This is very important information. The American people need to be clear on this. The Israeli Government and the Israeli people need to be clear on this. Anyone seeking to develop nuclear weapons in Iran needs to be clear on this.

Very important information that needs to be spread far and wide so there can be no mistake in what Senator Obama really meant by taking no options off of the table.

[Leopolds Ghost]

21. We kill children on a regular basis, just to prove we aren't bluffing

Oh yeah, and also because US military officer structure assumes
a war every 10 years and would collapse in the absence of such.

God Damn America for killing children? NO, and not Bless America either.

America does not EXIST except in people's heads. It is a reified concept.

As Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine emphasized.

All that exists is the Land, and a few shared cultural values most of which
capitalism has assiduously worked to obliterate and replace with a default,
de facto culture of conformity and mindless acceptance of injustice.

God Damn individual PEOPLE who seek to nuke 70 million innocent civilians.

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[bridgit]

29. riiiiight!

:eyes: