BIG SURPRISE: Voting Machines Breaking Down in Philly in African American Districts

[Skwmom]

This is pretty sad. Paper ballots had better be provided or I think the Democrats can kiss goodbye their solid African American base.

Edit: This was just reported on MSNBC. I believe they said some polling places were left with only 1 or 2 working machines. This is the same kind of crap that happened in Florida in 2000.

Shame on you PA Democratic Party - Shame on you.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. Where is this information coming from? n/t

[Skwmom]

3. It was just reported on MSNBC. I think they said that it was per the Obama Campaign (but not sure).

[grantcart]

13. correct

[MoonRiver]

73. "I think they said that it was per the Obama Campaign (but not sure)."

Yep, a highly reputable reporter. :eyes:

[helderheid]

2. DAMNIT!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5613129&mesg_id=5613129

[Skwmom]

66. It's now reported that Clinton is trying to get her OWN supporters elected as Obama Delegates.

I guess she knew what she was talking about when she says pledge delegates could change their vote.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5620934

More reports of abuse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5619728

[crankychatter]

79. In a Primary, non-Caucus, you vote for the Candidate NOT the Delegate eh?

am I wrong?

[olkaz]

4. surprise surprise

I expect there will be a great many of these stories by tomorrow.

[Skwmom]

I wonder if this is one of the "Rendell" maneuvers Chris Matthews alluded to?

Rendell strikes me as a total corrupt thug.

[City Lights]

8. Matthews alluded to "Rendell" maneuvers?

Do tell. :mad:

[Skwmom]

On his show he predicted a 10+ (I think 14%) win for Clinton b/c he knew what

Rendell was doing (though he did not state what that was).

[Skwmom]

18. Now there is a guy on the phone on MSNBC blaming the poll workers.

Reminds me of how they BLAMED THE VOTERS in Florida.

He also says he was just up in court with the Obama campaign and this wasn't an issue. So obviously this is a Clinton guy.

[City Lights]

38. How nice.

We need the media to expose voter suppression, not use it to make predictions.

[olkaz]

It sounds plausible

I think Rendell is hoping to score a nice spot in a Clinton administration, and from the comments I've read from him, I would not put this sort of thing past him.

But innocent until proven guilty. For now, I'm hoping they get these things fixed and get all the votes in.

[mckeown1128]

5. I predicted as much....

Let me know if hell freezes over or pigs fly or in the even more unlikely chance that machines break down in white districts...

[4themind]

6. If you haven't voted yet STILL GO AND VOTE

IF they are going to try and take away your vote fight BACK with your strength and make them WORK for it at the very least

[City Lights]

7. ARGH!

Will we ever learn?

:wtf:

[truebrit71]

9. Now THERE'S a fucking surprise...

...:grr:

[berni_mccoy]

10. Unbelievable. Clinton Pulls a Bush/Cheney.

No. Wait. That's believable.

[AllentownJake]

11. So it begins

This is what I expected to happen. Not voter fraud by rigging the machines to count votes wrong but by giving bad machines to AA and college areas or shorting the number of machines causing long lines.

[PresidentObama]

12. Ah, yes. This must be another Karl Rove tactic they stole from his playbook.

Thanks Rendell for your assistance!

[Skwmom]

21. Are you sure Rove didn't get some of his tactics from the Clintons?

[PresidentObama]

24. Must be part of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton thing. They exchange tips.

[Coexist]

14. Fred Voigt is on the phone now re: machine problems.

[tridim]

15. Gee, you think there might be a trend developing here?

Fuck The Machine.

[Doctor_J]

16. I got ROASTED yesterday for predicting this would happen

(actually relaying Mark Crispin Miller's prediction)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5604345&mesg_id=5604345

[TahitiNut]

17. Can anyone say "vote suppression"??

I knew you could. Let's pray to the "Goddess Of Peace (GOP)" for them to heal. :eyes:

[Skwmom]

32. But suppression of the black vote is okay as long as it is done by a fellow Democrat.

The Republicans have been trying to increase their black vote for years. The Clintons are doing their work for them.

[TahitiNut]

37. Isn't it interesting there's no "Third Way" ("New Republicans") in the GOP?

Where's the RLC (Republican Leadership Council)??? Inquiring minds want to know. :eyes:

[Skwmom]

63. I ask people - Do you think the big money corporate interests are stupid enough to put all of their

eggs in one basket/one party? The DLC is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has been so overtaken they have no need for a third way in the GOP.

[Justitia]

19. Rendell & PA Dem Party Bosses: "All is working according to plan!" -eom

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

20. Playbook from Ohio too ?

[Skwmom]

23. Didn't one of the Pro-Obama counties in OH have a much lower than expected voter turnout?

[here_is_to_hope]

22. "Anything to win"...yeah, we know....n/t

[kenny blankenship]

25. E-balloting breaks in black precincts: it's almost like a broken record isn't it?

Or a skipping CD.

Best to go back to sheet music.

[Doctor_J]

27. Once Obama is in the WH, and we have a real AG,

everyone involved with this will be hunted down, prosecuted, and sent to prison. This is a federal crime

[backscatter712]

26. This is CHEATING. It can be nothing else.

I'll say it again.

CHEATING.

Why would this only happen in certain districts? Why do the machines seem to discriminate based on race?

Because they were programmed to.

These malfunctions happen by design.

And these malfunctions are designed to do one thing: distract.

Randi Rhodes said it best. In chaos, you can steal.

And when everyone's screaming about malfunctions, you can bet that silently, undetecatbly, some asshole's fucking with the count.

Fuck you, Hillary, and all the lying cheating shills that surround her.

[Tellurian]

40. Yeah, we know. The Republican own the voting machines BUT it's ALL Hillary's Fault!

Pathetic yokels! Obama already deserted PA.. His internals said..C-YA!

NOBODY WANTS A BIGOT FOR PRESIDENT! GET IT!

[Tesha]

46. You sink farther and farther into the vile, don't you?

No argumentation, just propaganda, all the time.
Why on Earth would any DUer listen to you any more?

Tesha

[backscatter712]

47. Listen to who?

I just see "Ignored" just before your post - I must have *plonk*ed this loser a long time ago.

[Tesha]

49. Sensible, you are!

[backscatter712]

48. Self-delete - dupe n/t

[Growler]

59. Just put it in your Ignore list

like I did. The air is much cleaner now!

[Butch350]

56. It's people like you

40. Yeah, we know. The Republican own the voting machines BUT it's ALL Hillary's Fault!

THAT WILL HAVE ME VOTING FOR MCCAIN!

[InsultComicDog]

28. Before we work ourselves up too much

how widespread is this today? I mean, we have a little of this every election.

[BlooInBloo]

29. Oh jeez.

[Mags]

31. Just heard on MSNBC that that was totally false, had problems

when the opened this morning, but things were fine now.

[Skwmom]

34. That was from some who appeared to be a CLINTON HACK, who blamed the problems on the

poll workers. Pardon me for not taking what he says at face value but TRUTHFULNESS doesn't seem to be Team Clinton's strong suit. He also said he was in court with the Obama people over some other matters.

[Mags]

36. that was the top dog of the voting in Pa.

[Skwmom]

39. The Clintons OWN the political machine in PA. Gov Rendell

is the top elected official in PA and he appears to be nothing more than a corrupt political thug.

[Mags]

44. your change and unity has turn in to of BO folk into anxiety, panicky folk.

[Catchawave]

41. Yes, and he asked for names of those reporting "malfunctioning"

machines.

I'm still waiting :rofl:

[clevbot]

30. Voters grumbled when they learned their provisional ballots would not be counted tonight.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/18002279.html

[redstate_democrat]

35. Obama's name isn't on some of the ballots.

WTF?

[Freddie Stubbs]

54. Do you have ANY proof of this?

:shrug:

[gkhouston]

57. if you're talking about the thing posted in the other thread, it was a flyer. n/t

[redstate_democrat]

33. Everybody knows Rendell and Nutter are creating these voter problems in Philly

That is why it was SO important to have Nutter on their side.

Just think about it. The Secretary of State is a Rendell appointee. Problems with the voting machines were known since December of 2007 when he had to decertify machines in 3 counties.

All of the commissioners are Rendell/Cortes proxies. Obama doesn't have the Pennsylvania machine behind him. OF COURSE THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN BLACK PRECINCTS.

They knew that Philly would go to Obama and that is where the chaos will be centered TONIGHT.

[BobbyVan]

42. Absolutely disgusting. This is Clinton machine politics at its racist, hateful, Machiavellian worst

WTF happened to the Clintons? Yesterday it was the Osama Bin Laden ad. Today they are suppressing the black vote. What's next -- waterboarding? I'm ashamed, appalled, and offended by these underhanded tactics. It just goes to prove that the Clintons are willing to do anything, ANYTHING to win.

:rant:

[GoesTo11]

43. Mosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOLMVQa0KD8

[helderheid]

45. thanks for that

[Skwmom]

50. Now the MSNBC talking heads are blaming the "stupid" voters.

The new voters don't know what's required of them (to bring their voter reg and I.D.). He reported that the PA SOS said that only the typical, normal problems are occurring. I guess voter suppression is kind of normal for U.S. elections (but it's a REALLY SAD DAY when it happens in a Democratic primary).

[EFerrari]

53. They always do this, the f3ckheads -- blame the voters. n/t

[Skwmom]

62. Theresa LaPore, head of elections for Palm Beach County, Florida,

who was a Republican, Independent, then Democrat (to win election) designed the butterfly ballot and then had the nerve to blame the voters. That ballot was intended to mislead b/c prior to that I voted in Palm Beach County for years on the punch cards and had no problem. I looked at a copy of he ballot used and I, an experienced educated voter, would have voted incorrectly.

[EFerrari]

65. I've been putting up at least one daily Election News thread here

for a long time. That means, I scan a lot of news items in order to choose the ones that are most important for that day.

Blaming the voters is as common as blaming women for rape, I kid you not.

And remember after 2004, a commission was formed to overhaul our voting practices? It degenerated into a "voter fraud" commission rather than an "election reform" one. We have only a minuscule problem with voter fraud. It was a big joke.

[Skwmom]

68. Biggest joke. Bush and Harris pushing touchscreens after the 2000

election and the Democrats in Palm Beach County approving it. That should have been a big red flag that something was wrong, that and the MIT report which said that touchscreens were more unreliable and subject to fraud then punch card machines.

[EFerrari]

71. Those butterfly ballots set us up for HAVA.

You have to hand it to the Republicans. They're the best cheaters anywhere.

[npincus]

51. but they're working great in Bethlehem!

[Hutzpa]

52. OBAMA: Send operative to those precincts now !!!!!!!!

take nothing for granted, if its a rumor find out where the rumor is coming from.

This must not wait another second.

[NJSecularist]

55. In any large county, there is bound to be machine malfunction.

That is just the nature of the beast. There are more machines in Philadelphia than there are in suburban counties like, say, Elk County. Thus, there is more possibility of voting machine malfunction. It is practically unavoidable. Machines are not perfect.

Let's wait for more reports before we start crying foul, shall we?

[ItNerd4life]

58. Why aren't statistics kept?

By area so that people could see the overall ratio of machines that worked vs. didn't? Or average waiting times to vote? Some measurements so that people could be kept informed and make changes for the better?

[wowimthere]

60. Obama could still win! Not this time!

[democracy1st]

61. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton thats some BS

:wtf:

[AspenRose]

64. Wish I could say I'm surprised.

*shaking head* When are we going to learn...

...better yet, when is something going to be done about this....

[David Zephyr]

67. So predictable. Either it's way too few machines or they are broken.

Democracy in America is a lie that rich, white straight people tell to everyone else.

[Skwmom]

70. It's more than broken machines. It's trying to get Clinton supporters elected as Obama delegates.

[Phoonzang]

69. If we can't handle democracy maybe we should go back to a monarchy.

I'm not kidding. I mean we could just swear allegiance to the British royal family. They're not bad. Prince Charles seems pretty liberal. I'm sure he'd make an excellent absolute monarch.

[TragedyandHope]

72. This is unacceptable

[golddigger]

74. !1!1ATENTION SKINNER11!!11 the 55gal drums of Xanax needed ASAP!

[jackson_dem]

75. How many machines are there in the city of 1.5 million?

Please. Of course some will break down. If there is a proven pattern that is something else.

[electropop]

76. Same crap as Ohio in 2004.

Break the machines, remove the machines, pilfer the machines.

Paper or vapor. Get rid of the machines or democracy is over.

[ecstatic]

77. Of course. It never fails. I don't know why I continue

to support this party, when stuff like this is allowed to continue--year after year.

[Texas Hill Country]

78. i heard a report this morn that polling machines broke down in the suburbs too...

dont you think that the media doesnt go for the more sensational story?

[Thrill]

80. This is just the begining. The Repukes are going to steal

it in November. No matter who the nominee is

[Kurovski]

81. K&R. (nt)

[NC_Nurse]

82. Electronic voting sure has improved things.

NOT! where are the assholes from the companies that MADE them? Shouldn't they be on
hand with extra machines "just in case"?

What a bunch of shit. ALWAYS in the minority precincts too. :puke:

[bklyncowgirl]

83. Dear me what a shock.

Did they hire that clown from Ohio to run the election?