Just heard on Ed Schultz: SDs will ask Hillary to bow out gracefully before they flood to Obama.

[onehandle]

David Shuster from Hardball just said that would happen in the next day.

[Vinca]

1. Let it be true. nt

[Adelante]

2. Did they say it would depend on today's outcome?

Whether or not this would happen?

[onehandle]

10. I did not hear the entire interview, but that was his prediction.

Sounded like in the case of a weak win or worse.

He also said that her close advisers are still pushing for a convention fight.

[Lucky 13]

26. Her "close advisers" are destroying her reputation.

Before this campaign I liked Sen. Clinton. I even supported her BREIFLY after John Edwards left. But this campaign has COMPLETELY changed my opinion of her. It's hard to say how much of that is her evil and stupid advisors and how much is HER. Either way, her reputation, I believe, is forever damaged and she is going to find operating in the Senate to be much more difficult next year.

[Adelante]

40. Mine, too

But the buck stops with her, not her advisors.

[SoCalDem]

63. I liked her too..BUT you have to admit that SHE's saying the words, so

I have to think that on SOME level she agrees with her idiotic staffers.. She desperate to win, and desperation is ugly to watch..

[Freddie Stubbs]

100. So, this was a 'prediction,' rather than him revealing inside information?

:shrug:

[Capn Sunshine]

103. Close advisors...aka "ensure a Democratic loss in '08"

These are the dead-end inside the beltway die-hards who want to keep their phony jobs for another four years

[blm]

36. No matter what, today was never going to change anything mathwise for HRC.

Supers were only holding back their public support of Obama as they promised to wait till after Penn.

That was all today marked...for all the useless huffing and puffing of Clinton camp and the media who lazily repeats the spin.

[Tesha]

59. What would today's outcome change?

The pledged delegate tallies aren't going to shift that much no
matter what happens in PA.

Tesha

[Adelante]

61. Nothing much

However, a decent win by Clinton today, might have SDs postponing this action, for all we know.

[SoonerPride]

3. End this now. Save face and do something with class.

C'mon Hillary, I know you're better than this race has made you act.

[babylonsister]

4. I wonder who's telling secrets to Ed and David? nt

[lisa58]

27. Probably Super Delegates that don't want to insult Hillary

[dchill]

65. And I wonder why David Shuster has to go...

on the Ed Schultz Show to drop this huge bomb.

[frylock]

68. probably because he didn't want to deal with a red assed bill clinton..

wagging his finger in his face.

[Capn Sunshine]

104. I don't know, but I gave Shuster and Shultz a few SD phone numbers last Thursday

:evilgrin:

[olkaz]

5. I figured that this was the case.

Unfortunately, their call will fall on deaf ears.

[suston96]

6. David Shuster? Wasn't he banned from TV?

[SoonerPride]

8. Suspended for telling the truth

Albeit undiplomatically

[cali]

11. nope. sorry. he was suspended for a week.

and he's not the only person reporting similar information.

[lisa58]

23. I think it was actually two weeks...

...but anyway - he's usually got good information and it seems to me that it's the correct way for the SD's to handle the situation as it shows Hillary some respect.

[SeaLyons]

66. Suspended for 2 weeks

for making lude remarks about Chelsea (pimping her out). He should have been fired. Had he made the same remarks about Michelle or their children, the Obama supporters here would be outraged.

[dchill]

75. So you think he's on drugs?

"lude" = quaalude. You may have meant "lewd" - which would imply that you found his basically true remark to be offensive in a "sexually unchaste or licentious" way. Thanks for playing.

[SeaLyons]

78. hahha, yes I meant "lewd"

thanks for the correction.

[Road Scholar]

83. He used the expression "pimping her out". Truth, poor choice of words.

[peoli]

7. That would be Ogasmic!

[blonndee]

9. I just caught a few seconds of Schultz before I had to turn off the car and come back to work.

Was that what he was talking about when he said something like, "You heard it here. It ends tonight, folks" ?

Can you post a little more info, if available?

[onehandle]

12. I only heard the tail end. nt

[kenny blankenship]

13. Surely they understand how futile it is to appeal to Hillary on these terms?

Bow out gracefully?
I can just hear the cackling...

[SoCalDem]

64. She has an image inside her head.. It's an image of her onstage at the convention

where she is accepting the nomination..NOTHING short of that will be acceptable to her..and she's willing to do ANYTHING to have that moment.. She will have to be dragged out kicking and screaming..she will not go gently into the night..

[liberaldem4ever]

14. God, I hope and pray that happens

I can't imagine this going on until the convention. We will be so screwed for the election.

[Bigleaf]

15. I'm 100% for Obama but I've heard this shit too often before. I wish they'd keep this shit quiet and

just do it if they are going to do it. No need to tell us beforehand.

[onehandle]

20. There is still an election going on.

They are trying to save us from more conflict.

And it would be bad to cripple a sitting popular Senator.

[leftynyc]

77. They figure if they keep saying it

they'll look like prophets when it actually does happen.

[tishaLA]

16. The last time I hoped Shuster was right

It was about Karl Rove. He was wrong on that. Please let it be true about the SDs though.

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. Super Delegates say she has to win by 10 points to stay in ...LA Times reports

The spread: Clinton needs to win by at least 10 percentage points -- the margin she posted over Obama in Ohio's March 4 primary -- to show that she has not lost her touch in the industrial Rust Belt, several uncommitted superdelegates said.

If she is successful, she will be able to point superdelegates to the fact that she trounced Obama despite being severely outspent on television and radio advertisements in Pennsylvania by a more than 2-to-1 margin.

If Obama can keep the race to within 10 percentage points, or even win, he would claim that he has shown surprising strength in a state that is Clinton's demographic home turf, with many of the lower-income Democrats who have supported her in earlier primaries. That kind of result would give Obama momentum heading toward the May 6 contests in Indiana and North Carolina, where a sweep would make a Clinton nomination feel all the more unrealistic.


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pennsylvania22apr22,0,6842509.story

[nichomachus]

28. Diebold is making the proper adjustments, as we speak n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. I have no doubt that the machines will come up with those weird numbers

Like what happened in the 2004 and 2006 elections ...

Do you remember what that odd number was? Something like a 2366 type number.

[joeybee12]

18. Yeah, let's get Barry started sooner on his train wreck to November...

...well, we'll still have the House and Senate.

[yourout]

25. If Hillary is the nominee we loose the Senate in 2008 and the House in 2010...

She is a downticket disaster waiting to happen.

[islandmkl]

30. yeah...hillary is a f***ing shoo-in for november, is that the reasoning?..

she can't even WIN THE NOMINATION!

[Yurovsky]

33. But she can ...

steal it. And boy oh boy won't that do wonders for turning out the progressive base in November? :sarcasm:

[newmajority]

19. Well if David Shuster said it..... look out for the Hillbot shitstorm

THEY NEED TO SUPSEND HIM AGAIN FOR SAYING THAT !!!!!!!!111!!!!

Seriously, I'll be happy when this shit is over and these DLC operatives quit calling the radio shows. Like that hysterical woman who called Hartmann a couple of minutes ago (who is definitely a script reading "regular" on the radio circuit)

[Lucky 13]

21. I have to say.... I find this hard to believe

Why would they say this NOW and not wait until this evening when the PA results are in? However unlikely, there is a POSSIBILITY that she could win BIG in PA, making this a MUCH tighter race, thereby giving credence to her argument to stay in it.

If she does win big and they ask her to step aside anyway? She'll give them the ol' one finger salute and continue the fight.


Now, if she doesn't win big or loses (which I think is a real possibility) then this is the absolute right thing to do and I'm glad the are doing it. Whether or not she'll listen... who the hell knows. "Gracefully" doesn't appear to be in her vocabulary.

The timing is just odd. Why the morning of this all important primary? Peculiar.

[lisa58]

39. If she wins big it will freeze the Super Delegates until May 6

[juajen]

50. Not peculiar. They're trying to suppress the vote.

If people think she can't win no matter what, they will stay home and not vote. At least, that's the outcome they would like to happen. This goes on all the time. Same thing as lowering expectations. All little games to direct the vote in the direction they want it to go in.

[NorthCarolina]

60. No way to say that's a fact, you could easily just as well predict that

this announcement will encourage Hillary voters to get out there and vote because their gal is apparently behind.

Because both statements are pure conjecture, my statement is exactly as "factual" as yours.

[high density]

22. Hillary bows out in the next day?

I can't imagine that's accurate.

[onehandle]

29. I dunno. I'm just reporting what I heard. nt

[NJmaverick]

24. It seems like the best thing to do for the sake of the party

[The_Counsel]

32. Maybe This Is All "Tin-Foil Hat" Stuff, But...

...perhaps they're saying this now to keep the Hillary voters fired up and running to the polls?

That would certainly guarrantee a big Hillary win, keep the horse race going, and give guys like Shultz and Shuster a reason to wear a suit, have a job, and run their mouths.

Just sayin'...

[JBoy]

34. This would be the best possible ending.

Hillary wins PA by a few points. She can then bow out saying she gave it her best shot, can thank her supporters, get behind Obama, and snuff out the fires she's set on all the bridges behind her.

[SKKY]

35. Why in tthe hell are people so afraid of the Clintons???

:shrug:

[SoonerPride]

38. Vince Foster

Yes, I went there.

[onehandle]

41. That suggestion can go here --->

http://www.freerepublic.com

They're begging for cash right now if you're interested.

[SoonerPride]

44. Whatever. I suggested why Supers might be scared of the Clintons

Not whether it was true or not.

People are scared of lots of things that aren't based on reality.

Like God.

[rodeodance]

86. then keep it to yourself or go to the Free Republic!!

[SKKY]

48. You think they killed a guy who had a history of serious depression???

...I'm not an HRC fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I couldn't in my wildest dreams peg that one on them.

[SoonerPride]

53. No, I don't think that they killed him at all. Supers might fear Clintons because THEY believe it

And yes, there are people who believe it.

Not me.

I've already explained that.

[leftynyc]

80. No rules against being moronic (n/t)

[Maven]

89. Why don't you do us all a favor

and stay there.

[blm]

49. The party infrastructure was built around their needs since 1993 - hard to buck that.

The networks that pulled away from the Clinton grip grew - Gore's, then Kerry's, then DNC under Deans chairmanship - the first time in 12 years the Dem party was NOT run by a Clinton loyalist.

Obama is benefitting from those who weakened the Clinton chokehold on the party the last 7 years. And we're glad to see the results.

[MBS]

85. perfect, terse outline of the facts. n/t

[newmajority]

76. NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, Welfare "reform", Don't Ask Don't Tell....

...the Indefensible Marriage Act.

You really want the sequels to all of that?? Plus more corporate/Likud driven war in the Middle East?

I sure as HELL don't.

28 years of this bullshit is enough. No more BushClintons. Not now. Not ever.

[FatDave]

102. Great question

Wish I had the answer. She would have been forced out long ago if not for the Clinton name.

[GoesTo11]

37. Odds that she'll accept the day after winning PA?

They can ask, I don't see any indication that she'd accept.

If it were all 300 remaining SD's maybe, but they're not a monolithic block (I guess that would be a monolith).

[nichomachus]

42. It depends on what you mean by "winning"

People keep using this term, but "winning" only makes sense in a winner-take-all contest. In a contest like this, where they will be splitting delegates and accumulating popular votes (which are in themselves meaningless), the term doesn't make any sense.

Does she "win" if she gets one more delegate than Obama? Does she "win" if she gets 10,000 more votes than Obama? Or vice versa.

I know the media spins it this way, as do the campaigns, but it doesn't make any sense. Unless she's able to charge ahead of him in total elected delegates, she doesn't necessarily win.

Even with a popular vote win, the supers will look at where those numbers come from. If she wins big among people expected to vote Dem in November, but Barack wins big among new voters, indies, and swing voters, the supers will see that as meaning greater viability for Barack in the GE, since the solid Dems can be expected to pretty much vote for whoever the nominee is. If she wins big in those demographics, then the supers may look at it the other way.

Winning is a really slippery term -- although I assume we'll hear it ad nauseam (and incorrectly) over the next day or two.

[Coexist]

43. LA Times says something similar

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-pennsylvania22apr22,1,3852095.story

Obama strategists said Monday that they expected to announce a series of additional endorsements by uncommitted superdelegates shortly after Pennsylvania votes. A strong showing by Obama in Pennsylvania would give superdelegates more comfort in coming forward, but a bad loss might send them back to the assessment stage.

[Cassandra]

45. Will the DLC bow out gracefully?

I have trouble imagining that.

[mzmolly]

46. Wow!

It's about time she did, I like Hillary but she's almost out of grace.

[mopinko]

47. i suspect that they have been asking for some time now. like after texas

she was supposed to drop out if she lost ohio or texas. in the real world, we count texas as a loss.
i'm sure there have been calls. no way howard dean goes on teevee and tells the supers to start declaring "now" if there have not been polite phone calls.

[juajen]

55. Only you count Texas as a loss, since it's clear she won the

Texas primary.

[SoonerPride]

56. Only DELEGATES matter. Sorry, but Obama WON Texas.

That's the truth of it.

[mopinko]

93. sorry, slipped. yes we did win texas.

my fingers are moving faster than my brains today.

[mopinko]

94. my bad. we did win texas.

my fingers are moving faster than my brains today.

[Window]

51. Just do the damned thing SDs.

[bridgit]

52. Super Delegates turned out to be worse than the electoral college

Now they're running around threatening people to schmooze them, stroke them, or they'll do this & that. SD's are a mockery of Democracy :thumbsdown:

[lander]

69. Not what Clinton said before she lost! n/t

[bridgit]

108. I don't care what Hillary said, the SD 'system' is just another layered onslaught upon democracy

[Eurobabe]

54. Please goddess make it so!!

[AtomicKitten]

57. Somebody needs to pull the plug on this horseshit.

[Hieronymus]

58. God, I hope it's true, she's perfectly willing to see McCain win.

[rodeodance]

62. this is the same David S. who lead most astry during the Libby trial.

[leftynyc]

82. That's why he said it on the radio

and not on TV. Although the picture will be clearer after tonight.

[blm]

105. He WASN'T wrong - Rove changed his sworn testimony to avoid getting indicted.

Of course, if you prefer to cover for Rove as if he was maligned by Schuster just so you can feel good about smearing Schuster now, that's entirely up to you.

[shadowknows69]

67. Oh shit I hope so

It's time we were one party again and get our eyes on the prize.

[oasis]

70. It $eems certain $uperdelgate$ were made an offer they couldn't refu$e.

:puke:

[Political Heretic]

72. Welcome to the NFL.

[Political Heretic]

71. If she wins PA, maybe she could go out on a victory, gracefully.

[powergirl]

73. This article mentions that he plans on rolling out SDs after PA

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/22/obama-set-to-announce-new_n_97939.html

Today in Pennsylvania's hard-fought Democratic presidential primary, there will be a winner and a loser. But the winner might not be the one with the most votes....

Obama strategists said Monday that they expected to announce a series of additional endorsements by uncommitted superdelegates shortly after Pennsylvania votes. A strong showing by Obama in Pennsylvania would give superdelegates more comfort in coming forward, but a bad loss might send them back to the assessment stage.



:woohoo: :woohoo:

[knixphan]

74. was it SNL

Where Amy/Hill said 'I'm not stopping my campaign until the inauguration'...

[Why Syzygy]

79. Let's hope she displays an ounce of sensibility. nt

[EFerrari]

81. OH PLEASE!

[Road Scholar]

84. K & R nt

:kick:

[liberalla]

87. Uh oh... the 'enemies' list just got longer!

[jefferson_dem]

88. For the good of our party and the nation...

Please face the reality, however harsh it is, Hillary.

You'll make a stellar Majority Leader.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

90. Excellent. Way overdue.

[jackson_dem]

91. Which sd's? Probably Obama's cronies upset that he lost PA, will lose IN, WV, KY, PR, perhaps more

[WA98296]

92. K & R. (:

[Usrename]

95. She has to bow out.

Any other scenario will damage Obama.

The superdelegates cannot just throw her under the bus without further damaging party unity.

[BlueIdaho]

96. Handwriting is on the wall

After the latest campaign finance statement postings its obvious that the Clinton campaign, poorly managed and out of ideas is also out of cash. Seeing nearly 1.5 million individual donors contributing to a massive war chest in the Obama campaign compared to the usual suspect fat cats chipping in for Clinton - there really aren't too many other conclusions that can be drawn. Hillary can't raise that level of cash now - and won't be able to do it in the fall. The latest likeability numbers confirming her narrow trading range - low positives and sky high negatives only add to her perception as a marginalized candidate. Perhaps more importantly, her campaign has degenerated into an "anti" Obama campaign. Its not going to be enough, now or in the fall to simply talk about what's wrong with the other guy. A campaign fueled bitterness not only turns off the SDs - it turns of America.

[azmouse]

97. I hope this is true!

[ecstatic]

98. If true, why didn't they do this weeks ago? If HRC wins tonight,

then it sets up a false sense of hope for her supporters and they will be bitterly angry and resentful if the SDs do it now.

[Texas Hill Country]

99. Ed Shultz is an Obama shill... and no one is flooding if he looses by more than 10-15...

pure bullshit propoganda

[onehandle]

106. Just reporting what I heard.

I'm not committed to either candidate.

I support the nominee.

What's really funny is many of the Obama "enthusiasts" have me on ignore because I don't support either candidate.

So they can't even see this potential good news. I think that's funny as Hell.

[chapel hill dem]

101. I cannot imagine HRC bowing out as a spiffy way to end her victory speech tonight. n/t

[cui bono]

107. Please please let it be so. n/t