NOT so GOOD news about HILLARY on Issue of TRUTHINESS

[FrenchieCat]

Over 60% of the American people believes that she is untrustworthy.

Poll shows majority find Clinton untrustworthy

The latest findings from ABC News and the Washington Post finds that a majority of respondents find the former first lady untrustworthy, compared to a majority who trusted her before the campaign began.

Clinton is viewed as "honest and trustworthy" by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006. Nearly six in 10 said in the new poll that she is not honest and trustworthy. And now, compared with Obama, Clinton has a deep trust deficit among Democrats, trailing him by 23 points as the more honest, an area on which she once led both Obama and John Edwards.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Poll_shows_majority_find_Clinton_untrustworthy_0416.html

Clinton in the Wilderness

By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, April 22, 2008; Page A19


It was nice of Hillary Clinton to issue, as all the candidates did, a statement about Passover, the Jewish holiday of the season. Clinton said she was "deeply moved" by its message of freedom and human dignity, but she should have plowed on past Exodus and into Numbers and Deuteronomy. It is there that she can find a lesson for herself -- how Moses, after all he had done, was not allowed to step foot in "the good land that is beyond the Jordan." For Moses, that was Israel. For Clinton, it's the White House.

The story of Moses is one of the most poignant in the Bible. It shows God at his most adamant and petulant, refusing to forgive Moses for his own anger and vanity when he disobeyed the Almighty. So at the age of 120, after 40 years in the wilderness, after the Red Sea and all of that, Moses died before reaching his goal -- and it was, never mind the literal truth, a lesson to us all. Even for a Moses, some actions are irrevocable.

....But she has gone too far -- too much disturbing stuff, some of it shocking in its coarseness. For instance, she added the coy "as far as I know" to her "60 Minutes" statement that Obama is not a Muslim. More important, she offered a weak and disingenuous defense of her Senate vote in support of going to war in Iraq. But more recently came her stunning Moses Moment, that polygraph buster about being under sniper fire in Bosnia. It was a defining time in her campaign, not because she exaggerated or lied -- call it what you want -- but because the statement was hurled into a gale of contrary evidence, including eyewitnesses and video: a serene welcoming ceremony, complete with the requisite young girl bestowing the requisite gift. No snipers. No avoiding the obvious, either: Sometimes Hillary Clinton just can't help herself.

The story was nuts -- and Clinton herself has been at a loss to explain it. But for many voters, it encapsulated their suspicion, their anxiety, their hesitation about Clinton: She lies. The consequences for her were ruinous. In a Post-ABC News poll, only 39 percent of voters said they consider Clinton honest and trustworthy. This is a damning indictment.

...more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102553.html

[peoli]

1. I am one of those 60%

[Zachstar]

2. I am also one of those 60%

[mhoran]

69. Me, too.

[Lucky 13]

3. Count me in.

[liberaldem4ever]

5. Me too

I wouldn't believe her if she said the sky was blue on a nice day.

[LisaM]

18. Really? Would you believe her if she said she would serve out her first Senate term?

Would you believe him if he said the same?

[BornBlue]

68. Really, you have never incorrectly predicted the future?

Are you a millionaire? Do you have the winning numbers for the lottery? I could sure use them.

You see the weakness of your argument is that what Obama said was about the future. While he perhaps should have followed through with his promise, circumstances change. He felt that this was the moment, and he had to seize it. Carpe Diem!

Now Hillary on the other hand was speaking about the past, not the future, which makes it a flat out lie. Anyone who has ever heard gun fire unexpectedly will remember everything about that day.

[goclark]

28. I wouldn't believe her if she said purple was purple

nt

[FrenchieCat]

23. Me too.

[DerekJ]

30. Ahem ... count me , my wife, and my kitty in.

[Growler]

38. Me too

[beezlebum]

59. me too! nt

[Bonobo]

4. And those numbers can only drop. Very hard to get them to go up.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. but the SDs will still pick her!!!!

Not. :rofl: :rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

24. That's why this Hillary goes on exercise is now futile!

[Diamond Dog]

7. I'm a 60-percenter.

Count me in.

[cali]

8. well, she's not honest or trustworthy

and she's demonstrated that.

[NJmaverick]

9. Trust is almost like virginity

Once you lose it, it's almost impossible to get back (although obviously with virginity...)

[Yurovsky]

29. Losing your trust is a lot less enjoyable...

unless of course you lost your virginity in prison.

[jazzjunkysue]

32. Absolutely. It's nearly impossible once lost.

But in contrast, everyone but Hil had the opportunity to gain supporters and name recognition. That's why I never did think she had it in a lock.

I stopped trusting her every time I saw her give a speech against something she had just voted for. That was years before the campaign.

[Ichingcarpenter]

10. 60%er Here too

She might destroy her chances in New York after this is over.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. Very true. I read something around here this morning that said her

favorables in NY are now under 50%, and she's only beating McCain by 4 pts. in her home state. Doesn't sound so "inevitable" to me. On a side note, the last time something was posted here, it seems that Bill is taking as big a hit as Hillary in favorability these days. Hopefully, they'll join the Repubs, and get it over with.

Count me among the 60%'ers.

[uponit7771]

11. I am one of those 60%

[ClayZ]

12. I'm in.

K and R

[PBS Poll-435]

13. I thought ABC was dead to ya'll...

And posting a week-old poll?

Not surprising.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Well since ABC is biased to Hillary, it can only mean that in reality

the numbers may be even worse.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. Right... nt

[C_U_L8R]

14. What's to trust?

She lies.. openly... and then lies about the lies
and then gets her husband to lie about the lies about the lying !!!

It's a friggin' tweedle beetle battle

[cloudbase]

36. She's got

liarrhea.

[grantcart]

15. These are approaching Nixon and Bush levels - can Cheney levels be far behind

[GoneOffShore]

16. Arggh! Why am I not surprised.

I haven't trusted her since she came on the political scene.

[SKKY]

17. I was one of the 39% until the Bosnia snafu...

...That pretty much told me that she'll be saying anything here on out to try and get my vote while also grossly misrepresenting what Obama said (or in most cases didn't say). I really would have liked to give her the benefit of the doubt, but I just can't. She's not honest, she's probably corrupt to the core, and I would NOT want to call her my Commander-in-Chief. Having said that, for me, she is the lesser of the two evils if it comes down to her and McCain.

[1776Forever]

19. If I fibbed like HRC does - I would be labeled untrustworthy and fired from my job!!!!!!

:hide:

[AtomicKitten]

20. The SS Clinton is taking on water.

[cliffordu]

21. I'm in the 60%. What percentage of you actually get nauseous

when she speaks??

:puke:

[futureliveshere]

22. I'm almost there. Its the CACKLE I can't stand (among ALL the other reasons)

[FrenchieCat]

27. For me, it's the run on sentences and the indignant tone

[futureliveshere]

65. I think I can fill a page with what I dont like about her. You could probably write a book.

Not that I have less to hate, but you are a far better writer.

:hi:

[mhoran]

72. The constant righteous indignation is tough to take.

[Divernan]

39. It's the Drama Queen entrances with the huge open mouth smile and bulging eyes and pointing finger

Her drama coach taught her to do this and she does it constantly. It's a strategy for people who are not comfortable in front of crowds. I loved watching Teresa Heinz Kerry and Senator Bob Casey, and Barack and Michelle Obama walk out onto the platform at Pitt last night. They were natural and comfortable, with an occasional smile and occasional wave to the crowd. Not a single finger pointing as if they just spotted their long lost best friend in the crowd.

[futureliveshere]

43. Yes, that is also very irritating. Like she is soo surprised & happy to see a familiar face. AArgh!!

[mhoran]

70. Mainly, I just find her tragic self-destruction pathetic and sad.

[rox63]

31. I'm in the "nauseous" percentile

:puke:

[TexasObserver]

Over 60% of Americans are right not to trust her.

She's not trustworthy.

I can't understand why anyone trusts her. She is completely lacking in morals, principles, or democratic ideals. Her only loyalty is Hillary.

[donheld]

25. I'm very much in the 60% group n/t

[Perry Logan]

33. Intransigent media bias.

[billyoc]

34. But Oh, So Good for America.

:hi:

[DearAbby]

37. Count Me and my husband, in that list................n/t

[myrna minx]

40. The sad thing is those numbers would be considerably lower, had she not behaved so

ruthlessly against another Democrat. I now have to count myself as one of the 60%, but 6 month ago I never would have though I would say such a thing. My respect for the Clintons has vanished, and I was a person who defended them until I was hoarse. :-( Now I don't believe a word that she says.

[FrenchieCat]

41. But that is her main problem, isn't it? And it answers another question

about her lack of judgment.

[FrenchieCat]

42. OT: If you have nothing but time,

Check out Dan Rather's 4 part inDepth as he travels with Obama on Obama's bus tour through PA.

You'll be glad you did.

http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=24085780715

[futureliveshere]

44. I wonder when the rural voters who form her bulwark start responding to this? Today maybe?

HOPE LIVES ON!!

[csorman]

45. I'm in, with my husband

We wouldn't have been in the 60% group 3 months ago, but shenanigan upon shenanigan since then has caused us to believe otherwise.

[Hoof Hearted]

46. Poor Frenchie, today's going to be very hard for you.

[FrenchieCat]

47. I'll hang tough.....like your candidate......

So dont worry so much about me.

But thanks for making it personal. One can always count on those who support a candidate who has problems with the truth. And so the mindset to attack personally instead of dealing with the facts at hand (the articles that I have posted).

[PBS Poll-435]

48. Like posting a week old poll...as news...

:cry::cry:

[Inuca]

53. She did not post a week old poll

she posted a WP article from TODAY.

[PBS Poll-435]

54. An op/ed piece that references a week old poll...

Better?

[Inuca]

55. Yes. But not by much n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

57. Ok...An op/ed piece referencing a week-old poll

Written by someone who characterized the prosecution of "Scooter" Libby as politically motivated. He also criticized Stephen Colbert's 2006 Correspondent's Dinner performance.

He also said the use of force in Iraq could be "therapeutic" after the events of 9/11.

And I love this one...



"...the evidence Colin Powell presented to the United Nations — some of it circumstantial, some of it absolutely bone-chilling in its detail — had to prove to anyone that Iraq not only hasn't accounted for its weapons of mass destruction but without a doubt still retains them. Only a fool — or possibly a Frenchman — could conclude otherwise"



Yeah..Richard Cohen is someone whose opinions I want to shout from the mountain tops.

[PBS Poll-435]

60. Waiting....

Please respond. :cry::cry

[mhoran]

71. Ironic

Obama supporters are accused of drinking the Kool-Aid, even as Clinton supporters continue to religiously defend/ignore/justify/excuse her indefensible conduct.

[PBS Poll-435]

73. ???

Hillary supporters are not a monolithic group.

And Richard Cohen, he really has no excuse.

[TheDonkey]

49. She tells the truth most of the time..... as far as I know

:sarcasm:

[NorthCarolina]

50. After the debate admission to lying about her Bosnia sniper fire escapade

I am amazed that she retains 39% of voters that consider her honest and trustworthy. To me, that's an incredibly damaging admission by a Presidential candidate, and really shocks the conscience.

[WA98070]

62. She never admitted she lied, just that the facts didn't match her statements ...

she will never admit being wrong. Same as Bill. This is a major personality problem. When you're caught red handed it's time to say, "I'm sorry." They can't, not won't.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. Sorry.

I'm not interested in taking pot shots at a fellow Democrat.

[beezlebum]

61. she is looking less and less like a fellow dem

and more like a repulican's fellow warmonger.

i for one refuse to abstain from criticizing someone just b/c they put a D next to their name.

that's akin to not criticizing bush because he's the president, and i've heard enough of that from freepers over the last eight years.

i'd like to play nice, but this campaign has not exactly been nice. and far too much hangs in the balance to just give her a pass just because she shares party-membership. "D" does not make one automatically trustworthy.

[goletian]

52. shes actually lied more than john mccain!

now thats sad.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. The real question is....

Who are the 39% of Americans that view her as honest and trustworthy? They obviously haven't been paying attention to the primary season. They remind me of the dead-enders that still approve of Bush.

[Major Hogwash]

63. Even my mom was surprised by that "ducking sniper fire" lie.

She said she couldn't believe Hillary would tell a lie like that during a war.

Hers is an incredible story of a shipwreck of a campaign.
Her upcoming book about the campaign will be titled, "The S.S. Hillary, The Night We Struck an Iceberg."

[Tarheel_Dem]

64. kick

:kick:

[guruoo]

66. Thanks for finishing the job...

I started...

Gooo Obama!
Suckers!

[DemGa]

67. Smear campaigns -- first the right-wing

then that very same strategy co-opted by Team Obama -- As low as it gets.

But most on these boards already know these things.