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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:24 PM
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How the PA Political Machine Backs Clinton

PA Primary Team reports:

We continue to hear reports of broken machines. This tale was reported to the Daily News by a very patient voter:

"I just came from voting. Finally got my vote in at 49 ward, 07 division....after waiting for (the only) 2 voting machines to be repaired.

"I was able to cast my vote for Obama after waiting 1 and 1/2 hours. During that time at least 100 voters left without voting.....possibly not to return.

"I immediately called every News channel I could get through to. Persons who answered at the stations informed me that my ward was not the only one with broken machines and 'Paper ballots (as an alternative) without Obama's name on it. These provisional ballots did have Hiliary's name on them."


Now, voting machines malfunction every election. The worry today is that a high turnout will compound those problems -- forcing voters to wait, as in the case above, or turn to provisional ballots (the paper ones) which will take much longer to count.

We'll keep an eye on this today.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/More_voting_machine_malfunctions.html


Shades of Ohio and Blackwell in '04 are searing through my head. Color me BITTER amd FRUSTRATED!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:28 PM
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1. 'Paper ballots (as an alternative) without Obama's name on it
The good people of Pennsylvania need to drag Rendell out of office by his tiny nuts, and .........
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:30 PM
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2. I heard the sample ballots didn't have his name on it - did the provisional ballots exclude his name
as well?
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:37 PM
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4. Provisional ballots only had HRC on them. (nt)
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:43 PM
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9. That is absolutely untrue!
Sample ballots did not have Obama's name on them - they're not real, legal ballots! They would never be used or counted as a ballot. There has not been a SINGLE report that actual provisional ballots did not have Obama's name on them.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:37 PM
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14. Prove it.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:49 PM
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19. crickets
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:38 PM
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15. Prove it.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 03:49 PM
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18. crickets
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:31 PM
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3. A Sharpie 'X' on card stock never malfunctions. nt
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:39 PM
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5. The two machines where I voted were fine and evryone who I've talked to
in the "Port Fishington" area have had no problems.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:40 PM
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6. Heard same on phone call from friend in Philly: The FIX may be in
The tactic of using every means to suppress the Metro vote a few percent is a practiced
way of rigging the outcome of elections in PA.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:40 PM
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7. I have to say unfuckingbelievable
sorry to offend

IF this is true

and IF this is not reported in the MSM

THEN there must be intervention

There WILL be video within 24 hours and documentation on the blogs

Dean and Conyers should talk
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:43 PM
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8. Two machines?
My quiet polling place in the burbs of the Lehigh Valley had 6 machines for probably 1000 voters in the precinct.

I knew this was going to happen today in Philly

FUCK YOU NUTTER
FUCK YOU RENDELL
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:06 PM
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11. OMG, calm down.
There are pollig places literally every three blocks in my neighborhood.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:49 PM
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16. But you have to vote at a specific place, don't you. We do here. n/t
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:54 PM
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17. Of course, but it's not like there's two machines for thousands of people.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 12:46 PM
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10. People, don't forget to REPORT
If you know of voting problems today:




http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/vpchome
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:12 PM
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12. Preview of November. PA is considered High Risk for fraud. No. 3 in our country.
Standard Operating Procedure for urban centers and certain Obama precincts: Fewer machines, broken machines in AA neighborhoods, as well as machines people don't understand and are highly vulnerable. Remember that 90% are unverifiable votes sent to the electronic ether. Problems rampant in NJ with their same machines.

Even in other states with paper ballots and trails, never mandates to count beyond a small random testing or to follow through to determing an outcome altering degree. Locations have even put into law they DON'T have to count them, like Florida, while embracing electronics for so-called speed or convenience. Far more laborious, expensive when they have to question results after the fact-rather than same day reconciling at the poll site.

The direct electronic vote can send wrong information to the printer because they are not software independent. Those printed trails are not the voter's intent, difficult to read, legally weak, and the ballot cast trail is rarely looked at, nor mistakes caught.

We need less privation, less outsourcing our elections to private companies, and more citizen transparency.

Federal law relief has failed time and again to pass, and states no better.

We need to audit and recount, insist on chain of command of all pieces of the process, to reassure as every other business practice. Cashiers need to tally their register. Think of the immportance and money spent on elections, where people can gain from the results.

New Hampshire revealed terrible chain of custody: paper ballots left unprotected, used memory cards erased, so even in the primary counting, we had no way to compare the results. Highly suspect results with a political machine in charge of the process, and suspicious flipped numbers. Just for reassurance, we needed better procedure.

So what about the aftermath? NH changing law so it's harder to recount and create transparency.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 01:13 PM
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13. Rendell and Nutter trying to suppress Obama's votes. You knew this would happen. They want...
want politics as usual. With Clinton they get that. Not this time though.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-22-08 04:03 PM
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20. If anyone is having voting problems PLEASE call the campaign and CALL the news stations.
And do whatever is legal to gather data on the incident!
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