The depth of sexism on this forum makes me sick

[Clintonista2]

Before I begin, a disclaimer: I am a Hillary supporter, and I do not believe that Hillary is behind in the primary due to her gender.

I am going to list for you actual things that have been said on DU today, and I will give a response to each.

"Rich white women are just bitter because they don't have the same privileges as rich white men."

Frankly, I don't give a crap if it's a poor black single mom, or if it's freaking Ann Coulter. Why would anybody, especially a so-called "liberal," make such a hateful statement towards women of any class? The statement in itself, proves that sexism is alive and well.

"So how many women will get pulled over today just for being women?"

How many baby girls will be slaughtered tommorow, just for being born female?

"Any culture that would stone a woman for that is likely to stone people of any sex for a variety of ridiculous things."

How many men will be raped, sold into prostitution, or married against their will today? How about women who are executed, without trial, simply because their husband accused them of adultery? Please, please, please, don't imply that men face the same sheer hatred and punishment that women do solely based upon their gender.

"In Nazi Germany was it better to be a Christian woman or a Jewish man? During slavery and Jim Crow was it better to be a white woman or a Black man? During World World II was it better to be a white woman or a Japanese man? When it comes to marriage who has the right to get married? A straight woman or a gay man? Who is more likely to get pulled over and possibly go to jail? A law abiding Black man or a white woman with pot in her purse?"

Racism has a long history, as does sexism. One does not exclude the other. It's another attempt to downplay sexism by claiming "this is worse!" This quote makes me sad rather than angry, because it proves how ignorant many people continue to be.

Putting aside the primary, can we please, as male and female progressives, at least admit that sexism DOES exist in the world today, and that it should be eradicated? Can we please admit that the comments quoted above, have no place on DU?

Finally, I would like to GREATLY thank the Obama supporters who stood up for women in the thread that is floating around (you guys know which one), even though it meant standing up for Clinton's remarks in the process. I really did appreciate it.

[cali]

1. Agreed.

It's a foul miasma in here at times.

[Scairp]

121. It's a goddamned swamp

I have been coming here for a long time now, and NEVER in a million years would I have thought that I would read the things I have read on this board the past few months. It's beyond appalling, it's a fucking disgrace, and how the minders of this website, a website that until now had a supposedly liberal/progressive philosophy, can allow this to continue is beyond me. People need to be warned, banned, something. This particular board (GDP), is completely out of control and I think that shutting it down should be considered. The blatant sexism is overwhelming for me, and it's driving people away. This kind of venom used to be saved for the right wing assholes who deserve it, not one of our own, not a woman that up until now your average Democratic member here had always admired, a woman who is a former DEMOCRATIC First Lady and a sitting United States Senator. I imagine that if equally racist things were being posted about Obama this board would have been shut in a New York minute and a shitload of people would have been tombstoned, but I guess this WOMAN is fair game. Please stop it now, before things go too far, if they haven't already.

[cali]

127. sorry, that's ridiculous. shutting down the forum?

and you haven't been paying much attention if you haven't seen the appalling amount of racism here posted by hill supporters. In addition, Hillary has not been thought well of here in the past. She's long been disliked for her vote on the IWR, her cozying up to bush and other behaviors. She deserves a lot of the criticism she's getting.

[Scairp]

132. No it isn't

And I have been paying attention, because if I had a dollar for every time the word "bitch" has been used in connection with Hillary Clinton, I would have had enough cash to donate to her campaign and reached my limit a long time ago. No way that same kind of racial language is being tolerated here, nor has it ever been, so far as I've seen. But sexist language is tolerated, and I don't recall anyone sliming her so aggressively before she began her presidential run. She loathes Bush, and I haven't seen any evidence of her "cozying up" to that dweeb. Anyone who is a member of Congress sometimes has to do things they don't want to, it's called compromise, and if neither side does it then nothing ever gets accomplished on the Hill. I resent the fact that Obama is being treated like some kind of political virgin. Just because he hasn't had time to make enemies like anyone who has been in politics that long does, doesn't mean he won't. We have already seen some of the poor choices he's made in just the short time he's been in the national public eye. He cannot be president, he will fuck it up badly. He hasn't got the experience, period. Hillary can do the job.

[PoliticalAmazon]

141. How about using the IGNORE feature?....

...Message board forums are the same everywhere: unless they are heavily censored, they all seem to have to have their quota of asshats. When you inflict censorship to control the asshats, you ruin the community that makes the forum.

Like it or not, our community is reflective of its members. If you start excluding the ones with whom you don't agree, or who YOU, using your own personalized standards, believe shouldn't post here, you change the nature of the forum. That may be a boon for you, but for others of us, who are ADULTS and can use the powers given to us---use the IGNORE feature or go to another forum--, losing members who have different opinions make thsi a sterile environment.

When you get nothing but posters mirroring each other's views, it is truly an inbred environment. Like inbreeding of animals, the community that only allows certain opinions said in certain ways to participate, weaken.

You know, some of us find the constant whining of Hillary supporters--the ones who constantly cry uot "SEXISM" for every freaking thing that comes down the pike--to be irritating. There are some who I consider Grade A Asshats. However, they are OUR asshats, and to lose them would lose part of the soul of this forum.

This constant harping of "sexism" for everything you hear is like the boy who cried wolf: you've eunuched the term of its power. Now when y'all cry "sexism!" I think, "Whatever, somebody has a hangnail or something," and move on.

So if YOU don't like it here, be an adult, use the tools the board management has provided to you (IGNORE and HIDE THREAD). Or, better yet, work on your own reactions to others' posts and see if you can't learn to enjoy the wonderful divesity that makes the Democratic Party so strong.

[zabet]

2. k and r

:kick:

:hi:

[saracat]

3. Thank you K+ R!

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Where do I fit in? Well off black woman who supports Hillary...

*ponders*

[Sadie5]

7. Hooray

K&R

[damonm]

13. Oh, puh-LEEZ. You don't exist - the MSM says so!

:silly:

[goldcanyonaz]

15. No shit. I don't exist. Bravo!

[damonm]

30. Sorry - thought the sarcasm was obvious...

:(

[PoliticalAmazon]

142. Do you think the IRS will buy it? :-)

[sniffa]

5. It's terrible

It's closing in on the amount of race-baiting here.

[panader0]

6. I love to jump into these discussions

but I always get spanked. I'll tell you what though, that BS the other day about how saying "throwing the china" was sexist is BS.
Hillary is the candidate using the kitchen analogy.

[PoliticalAmazon]

144. They are eunuching the word "sexism," like the boy who cried "wolf." n/t

[trueblue2007]

8. You are RIGHT ON. Why are people so hateful about women?

What....we are supposed to be Barefoot and pregnant ??


I don't think so. I am excited that a women is finally running for President. I hope Hillary wins the general election by a landslide.

[The Doctor.]

43. Those are not examples of 'sexism'.

It's amazing how mindlessly people will scream "sexism" over anything that mentions gender.

"You're a girl."

"Oh My God! You sexist bastard!!!"



Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?


Please do answer the question.

[The Doctor.]

104. Hmmm... Nothing. Whatta surprise.

This, like so many other posts is going straight into my "Hillary people are just plain full of shit" file for future use in an OP.

Thanks for your complete lack of reason. It will serve as proof that Hillary's people are, for the most part, delusional.

[Celebration]

9. Oh, good grief

These things were said because of the insistence by some that sexism is worse than racism. Everyone needs to get a clue: they are both bad.

Both Democratic candidates are against sexism and racism. That is why those shouldn't be high on the list of concerns in the primary. In the general election, yes.

[beachmom]

10. I don't know about DU, but I am seeing much more racism out there than sexism in this race.

Maybe if Hillary was winning that would be reversed. But when you see something like this, you know racism is a very big problem:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9761.html

And consider this little nugget from Monday’s Washington Post, in a story by Kevin Merida and Jose Antonio Vargas datelined Scranton, Pa.:

“Barack Obama’s campaign opened a downtown office here on March 15, just in time for the annual St. Patrick’s Day parade. It was not a glorious day for Team Obama. Some of the green signs the campaign had trucked in by the thousands were burned during the parade, and campaign volunteers — white volunteers — were greeted with racial slurs.”

It is a new experience for many white people when they sport Obama signs: getting hit with racial slurs.

[roguevalley]

96. there is a lot of unspoken racism here: plenty of people are dancing

around the elephant. Barack is black, they won't vote for him so they attack in other directions over other issues but it is pretty clear some people have a HUGE problem with accomplished black men. Get the 'uppity' thing, the ego thing, all the other stand ins that they instead of the usual hate shit. Its there. Blaring.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. how many men get their genetalia mutilated by their families and husbands? how many men are drowned

at birth for being born the wrong sex? how many men are subject to physical violence at the hands of their spouse?

[Diamond Dog]

16. Actually, all of us. I'm circumsized.

But I can't complain.

[Texas Hill Country]

21. did they sew shut your pee hole with a cactus thorne? didnt think so

[Diamond Dog]

25. Did they do it without my consent? Yeah, sure did.

[aquart]

126. OMG, a circumcision pity party.

You poor sweet thing, you. There you are with your dangler wanting to crawl into its cubby and hide...and NO CUBBY!

How you suffer. Of course you deserve more salary and better jobs for what you've endured.

[Clintonista2]

24. Male circumcision is not done in order to prevent the male from experiencing sexual pleasure

Female circumcision is.

[Diamond Dog]

27. It is still a nonvolitional mutilation of the male body, correct?

Then intents are meaningless, for the act is substantially the same.

[JoFerret]

36. If they can cut off one piece

why not all of it?

(This is a bogus digression)

[aquart]

128. You're so right.

WTF didn't we cut the whole thing off since there is no damn difference in your privileged imagination.

And I'm sure you're finding those brass balls kind of heavy. Them, too.

[IronLionZion]

61. It is in some cases

for hardening the skin to reduce sensitivity and to discourage masturbation. I oppose circumcision.

[IronLionZion]

63. Not all, I'm not.

The doctors at Brooklyn Jewish Hospital were about to cut me without permission when I was born but my Dad told them they better not. We're Indian. It's not our custom.

[BlooInBloo]

12. You've missed the point as much as your hypothetical interlocutor...

... It's not a contest to see who's been victimized the most.

[Texas Hill Country]

19. no, it is not, but the minimalization of the impact of sexism is wrong and should incur as much

derision as if someone made a racist statement on here. the sad fact is that sexist remarks often times either go unnoticed, get applauded or maybe a couple people call them out.

a racist statement gets 1000 responses.


its wrong.

[femrap]

22. That is exactly what the Opening Post

said. You can read, right?

I bet you enjoy the 'divide and conquer' tactic, don't you?

[cboy4]

14. I couldn't agree more.....it's sickening....however, not

completely unexpected.

[The Doctor.]

57. You don't even know what you're agreeing with... much les understand how FOS it is.

The OP is finding 'sexism' where there is none.

Want proof?

Answer the following;

"Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?"


Please do answer the question. But I'm pretty sure you won't because you don't like to discuss substance, nor can you back up your ridiculous claims.

That's why you ran away over here;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5613780&mesg_id=5619616

[cboy4]

74. Let me explain how things work around here Dr_eldritch:

You submit questions, and then I decide how to answer them, or whether to even answer them at all.

Now, I know it makes your furious that you don't get to be the boss because you're beginning to thread-stalk me.

But the bottom line is I'm in charge of how your "questions" are addressed. You might try different approach, if you're truly seeking an answer.

Now getting back to the OP's comment at hand, of course there's plenty of sexism.

And it would be swell if you'd refrain from discounting my disgust of misogyny.

Not doing so would be considered aggressive and obnoxious.

[roguevalley]

100. you will excuse me if I laugh at this. this is the craziest thing I've read

in three days.

[Catherine Vincent]

102. LOL!

:)

[The Doctor.]

112. BwhAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA! "Thread stalk" you?

I will post to any thread I like, and I will call anyone on their bullshit.

If, by some happy coincindence, you are spreading bullshit in more than one thread, expect that if I'm in those threads, I will call you on it. I'm sure you've posted to threads I'm not in, so it's apparent that your paranoia rivals your delusions of rationality. Thank you for putting that on display for all of those who are obviously more intelligent and reasonable than yourself.


Now, you telling me 'how things work' is the height of hilarity! Especially when doing so serves the cause of making excuses for you to avoid uncomfortable things like "reason" and "logic".
You may think that you're being clever or 'putting me in my place', but the fact remains that you have gone to great lengths to engage me on these issues. That makes it quite plain that you are simply dead fucking wrong in your opinions, for you both won't, and obviously can't, defend your positions.

How does one such as yourself convince himself he is right without the ability to demonstrate a basis for his beliefs?

The short answer;

"Ignorance"


Mind you, I will post where, when, and in response to whomever I like. Since ignorance seems to be your thing, I suggest now that if you have no future intentions of even attempting to address my points, you take the next logical step in your path of ignorance, and simply put me on 'ignore' so you can remain comfortable in your delusional little bubble.

Meanwhile;

[Jamastiene]

120. It is beginning to get kind of crowded under the bus, ain't it?

:hi:

[HockeyMom]

17. Former New Yorker.

white, middle class, older woman who voted for Obama. Hillary has been a MAJOR disappointment to me, more so since her primary campaign.

[Beaverhausen]

18. I think a lot of it can be attributed to ignorance of the ways of the world

some people in that thread were measuring the world by their own little corner of it, when in fact women the world over are discriminated against in many ways. Not to say other groups aren't too, but for women it's massive.

[Beregond2]

20. I agree

that sexism is endemic in all societies. But I think it is a mistake to conflate what women face in, say, Iran, with the situation in Europe or North America. I think that is where a lot of these offensive remarks originate: in not differentiating exactly what culture one is talking about.

[guyanakoolaid]

23. Ugh - ENOUGH of these posts - from both sides.

:eyes:

Although to be honest it's almost always Clinton supporters. It's a neat ploy: compile the worst of your opponent's statements, in a neat little Cliff's Notes version of the hate you have experienced. I like your neat little endquote, thanking Obama supporters who stood up against this - but really, the only point of posting a thread like this is to beat down a group of your opponents with the words of the worst of them.

It goes both ways. I could make threads about the outright racism (and subsequent tombstoning) I've seen repeatedly by Clinton supporters, but it doesn't do anyone any good. Like your post. Recapping troll experiences isn't making anyone more informed or aware.

[murielm99]

37. Most of the time, when a Clinton supporter complains about

sexism on DU, they are asked to prove it. The OP did just that.

[guyanakoolaid]

39. The OP is a collection of garbage

Instead of seeing a troll's sexism and dealing with it in the relevant thread, the OP makes us a "greatest hits" package of the "worst of the trolls" that is nothing but propagandistic in nature.

What is the point of the OP? I love disclaimers, they are always so revealing.

[murielm99]

47. Garbage?

Then avoid the thread. Stop flaming it and boring the rest of us.

[The Doctor.]

50. Yes, 'Garbage'.

And no... it's our obligation to point out that this is an irrational display of pseudo-outrage over an issue that barely even exists on DU at all.

Just to prove it, same question to you;

"Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?"


Please do answer the question.

[The Doctor.]

105. I'll add you to the list of delusional Clinton people who can't answer the question.

This, like so many other posts is going straight into my "Hillary people are just plain full of shit" file for future use in an OP.

Thanks for your complete lack of reason. It will serve as proof that Hillary's people are, for the most part, delusional.

[gal]

71. I disagree..

I have seen all kinds of remarks on these boards where if someone does not like HRC and they are male SEXISM is screamed at them. Any thing said negative about her at all, there are alot of these type post around here.
There is many many accusations of sexism by HRC bots, those accusations are actually hurting women not helping.

[Scairp]

122. Excuse me

But it's the actual sexism, not false accusations of it, that is hurting women. Would you say that the regular use of the word "bitch" to describe a woman is sexist? If so, bravo, you've just admitted blatant sexism at work here. I'm deeply offended, and though I've been a regular here for a number of years I have considered abandoning the site altogether, but feel I can do more good by staying rather than going. I don't know what's happened here, but for whoever said it isn't wholly unexpected, it is to me. It's sickening.

[smiley_glad_hands]

26. The depth of Freeperism on this forum makes me sick. eom

[FlyingTiger]

28. Talk about seeing what you want to see.

You pulled most of those quotes from the OP of a thread in which the author spent several paragraphs explaining that his statements were meant to be his counter to the argument that sexism has been worse than racism in the world, not any sort of argument that sexism is not important, that men have it as bad as women, or that racism means sexism doesn't exist. And what do you do? Ignore exactly what he said for the purpose of being "offended."

[redqueen]

33. I'd say "amazing, isn't it?"

But it's really not. More like par for the course.

Divde and conquer.

[sniffa]

41. Have you seen my pic?

:hi:

[redqueen]

42. Which one is that?

Please to show me? :hi:

[sniffa]

Here

It was posted the other night. :hi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5575556

[redqueen]

65. Hahahahaha... yowza!

Are you intentionally almost doing the shocker there?

[sniffa]

70. I was trying to throw my old gang sign

but the pic was snapped before I was ready. x(

[The Doctor.]

45. Oh man! Once given the original context, I'm now convinced the OP is NUTZ!

And disingenuous to boot.

Thanks for pointing that out. These RW tactics have to end.

[Name removed]

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[Clintonista2]

31. Excuse me?

When was the last time Rush spoke out against female discrimination? Get a clue.

[guyanakoolaid]

32. When he campaigned for Hillary

:rofl:

[The Doctor.]

46. ....

[susankh4]

34. Thank you for speaking out.

They have a long way to go... before they get it. But every time one of us speaks out we chip away at the misogyny here.

[The Doctor.]

48. LMAO! Riiiiiiiight.... Tell you what, same questions to you;

"Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?'


Please do answer the questions. Either way you prove the OP is irrational.

Thanks.

[susankh4]

49. What are you talking about?

This O.P. is *not* saying those things.

[The Doctor.]

54. The OP is saying that those things are sexist, they are not... especially in the context

of the thread they were pulled from.

I take it you can't answer those questions then? If you can't, you can stop pretending to be 'outraged' here.

[susankh4]

60. I did not say I was "outraged."

Again, what are you talking about?

[The Doctor.]

64. You are very deft at dodging questions... must be a defense mechanism of some kind.

You apparently agreed with the OP.
My point is that the OP is FOS and the examples used don't qualify as sexist.

So I asked you a question.


You are proving my point by dodging it.

[The Doctor.]

106. And another delusional Clinton supporter who refuses to answer the question.

This, like so many other posts is going straight into my "Hillary people are just plain full of shit" file for future use in an OP.

Thanks for your complete lack of reason. It will serve as proof that Hillary's people are, for the most part, delusional.

[hfojvt]

35. I'm not impressed by your replies, nor by your anger

"Rich white women are just bitter because they don't have the same privileges as rich white men."

Frankly, I don't give a crap if it's a poor black single mom, or if it's freaking Ann Coulter. Why would anybody, especially a so-called "liberal," make such a hateful statement towards women of any class? The statement in itself, proves that sexism is alive and well.

??? What is so hateful about that statement? Myself, I get kinda tired of people who seem to be better off than the vast majority of their own country, to say nothing of the world, or history. Rich people of any race or gender have more privileges than poor people.

"So how many women will get pulled over today just for being women?"

How many baby girls will be slaughtered tommorow, just for being born female?

??? My guess is, for the United States, Canada and Europe - zero. Secondly what happens to a baby in some far distant land is not very comparable to what could happen to any adult. You, as an adult female do not suffer from female infanticide the same way an adult black person can suffer from the harrassment of driving while black. Apples and oranges.

"Any culture that would stone a woman for that is likely to stone people of any sex for a variety of ridiculous things."

How many men will be raped, sold into prostitution, or married against their will today? How about women who are executed, without trial, simply because their husband accused them of adultery? Please, please, please, don't imply that men face the same sheer hatred and punishment that women do.


??? These arguments are just ridiculous. As if women in the United States lead horrible lives because of all the suffering that happens to other people who share their gender. I've been living in this country for 46 years and don't see the women I live with facing a bunch of "sheer hatred and punishment".

The other part of comparing various forms of discrimination does not seem useful, but I think a very strong case can be made that women are not/have not been segregated the same way races were.

Sometimes it's just hard for me to be self-righteous and to have a huge set of statements where "anybody who says X deserves to be hated and berated." Probably because I seem to keep falling into those groups according to some other people.

[Political Heretic]

59. Well said, and thank you. Saved me the effort. :P

[The Doctor.]

38. Oh Please... I call "BULLSHIT".

First of all, only one of those above quotes could be considered even close to "sexist", and there's no links to any of them.

To say that 'Rich White women' have fewer priviledges than 'rich white men' happens to be true and generally acknowledges gender bias in society. To add that they're bitter because of it is sexist?

Ummm.... who the fuck wouldn't be bitter?. If women were not bitter or angry about being discriminated against, there never would have been a women's rights movement! So let's review this again;

Women DO have fewer advantages in society than their male counterparts, and it's OK to be bitter about it.

What the fuck is so hard to understand about that?



Another is a legitimate comparison, not sexism. You have to really be stretching to take a comparison between the likelyhood of a female driver and a black driver being pulled over and call it 'sexism'. That's just irrational. To even question that is racist :eyes:.


They stone women in other cultures, everyone here recognizes how awful that is. Saying that a culture that stones women probably does a number of other psychotic things is not even close to 'sexism'. It's a commentary on that culture. What might be sexist is if the quoted poster refused to acknowledge that women are treated unfairly.



The last is an academic query and perfectly rational. Again, there are any number of answers and none of them mean the poster is necessarily being 'sexist'.



It is just unbelievable how deep some people will dig to be offended by what are little more than mere observations and call it 'sexism'. Are those posters being 'insensitive'? Sure to a degree... but since when the fuck is "insensitivity" "sexist"?


Well, that appears to be your argument, and it's bullshit.

[Political Heretic]

40. I JUST WISH WE COULD STOP HAVING A CONTEST OVER WHO'S MORE OPPRESSED.

For fuck's sake.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5615495&mesg_id=5616129

[The Doctor.]

44. So far...

It seems the Clinton folks are the ones screaming 'sexism!!!' while the Obama people are responding with, "Uhh... hello? 'Racism'?"

I've seen very few Obama people make an issue out of racism, while the Clinton people are cutting 'sexism' out of whole cloth and making banners with it.

[dsc]

51. Do I really need to post the links to the thousand and one threads

where Obama supporters do just that? I will if you insist.

[Political Heretic]

55. I insist.

It would be educational for me, and hopefully if you've seen me post before you can trust that I have an open mind.

I'll like to get a sense for how pervasive it really is, because I don't see it - and yet I see five discussions about sexism every day I come here.

[dsc]

67. search is down

I didn't think about that (primary night) so I can't. I will try to do so in the morning as I am about to hit the sack.

[The Doctor.]

69. If there are so many "thousands" of these posts, I'm sure that a quick scan will reveal

at least a few examples.

I'll be checking back in the morning, thanks for your efforts.

[The Doctor.]

113. Is it morning there yet?

[dsc]

114. sorry was running late this morning and worked about 12 hours

but I will point out the several threads blaming Obama's loss in PA on racism. I saw at least two today. I will try to find a few now.

[dsc]

116. here is one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5515226

[The Doctor.]

117. Oh fine... just wait a day and see if something comes up.

:eyes: ;)

Seriously though... I'll take it, but I'd love to see the stuff from before that.

Hope your day didn't suck, and your 12 hours was worth it... had plenty of those days myself.

[The Doctor.]

129. Hello?

[dsc]

133. I think the front page in the aftermath of the PA primary would suffice

we had several threads alledging that Hillary only won due to racism. Honestly I am a bit busy. The Day of Silence at my school, I am GSA advisor, has been a whirlwind. I am also going out tonight to see Jim Neal speak.

[The Doctor.]

134. I have to give you credit for hanging in there!

Most people don't even bother to make excuses for not being able to cite quotes!

JK :silly:

S'ok... I'll make sure to keep this corpse afloat 'till you have some time on your hands.

When does the school year end there? :evilgrin:

[dsc]

137. I got up at 4:30 this morning

got into work at 6:45. I had to make copies for myself, a teacher who was out, and arrange coverage for said teacher. I then proceeded to teach 2 and 1/2 straight classes, had about an hour lunch (during which I had to keep my GSA students supplied with ribbons and cards), then I taught my last class, typed the 80 additional names they signed up, dealt with three seperate issues generated by the day of silence, drove home(got a sandwich on the way), arrived home at 5pm, walked dog, ate, and sat down for an hour. But I will take the time to find your precious links.

[The Doctor.]

138. ....

[dsc]

139. BTW here is a good example

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5648608

[The Doctor.]

143. Well, let's see... it's a guy claiming that Clintonites accuse Obamites of 'playing the race card'

It's the author's opinion that it's racist to pull that crap, and It's well-founded.

So, is this person talking out their ass? Or is it true that Clinton people accuse Obama people of playing 'the race card'?

...

Well, here's Clinton doing it;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x122567
Then here is denying;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x122734

Sooo?

[The Doctor.]

66. What? Use sexist attacks? By all means... I insist.

Shall I hold my breath?

[dsc]

72. that isn't what the post said

It claimed that there were hardly any Obama supporters raising racism as an issue.

[The Doctor.]

85. I don't see it very much except where there's a REASON for it.

They really don't bring it up that much unless someone is making a racist comment (which is rare on DU). Saying he wouldn't be where he is if he weren't black is as racist as saying that Clinton wouldn't be where she is if she weren't a woman is sexist.

[mcctatas]

149. ...

"Help, help, I'm being repressed" ;)

[kwenu]

52. Here's a lesson for you. If you want to post seriously about sexism, don't compare it to racism.

It's as if you can't legitimize the concept of sexism in its own right without comparing it to racism. This tends to indicate that sexism can't be taken seriously on its own.

[Political Heretic]

56. Right. I've been trying to say this all day today.

Again, to repost:
I don't see any good that comes from debating which oppressed group has it the worst. I think that oppression isn't uniform. Women experience oppression in ways that are completely unique. Discrimination based on ethnicity also has unique tragic experiences that differ from gender oppression. Discrimination based on sexual orientation also has unique unjust features. They are each ultimately serious and we must resist the urge to "rank" them.

[ProSense]

81. By comparison, wonder how many threads are started calling out "this forum" for racism? n/t

[ProSense]

53. Bitter? Hillary is keeping an enemies list. n/t

[IronLionZion]

58. No argument from me

Yes sexism exists. No I'm not sexist for having voted for Obama in PA (after I caucused in Minnesota! WOOT!) Yes racism exists too. The existence of one has no bearing on the existence of the other, but it is sometimes mutually beneficial to find common cause with both.

Thank you for providing examples to back up your points. Those offensive sexist comments make me sick as well.

I'm still supporting Obama, so does my Mom, sister, girlfriend, and most of the women in my life.

[Auntie Bush]

62. Agreed! And the depth of sexism on the MSM makes me sick! n/t

[The Doctor.]

68. There is some of that, but I haven't seen an awful lot....

Could you do me a favor and point some out?

[Auntie Bush]

75. Haven't you been watching Chris Matthews and TV in general?

Where've you been? Didn't you hear Tweety apologize on his own program for his Misogamist comments? Someone posted a list here and they were horrifying. He's been better ever since but he's still horribly bias against all things Clinton.

[The Doctor.]

78. We all know Tweety is a perv... since when is he "The M$M"?

As far as I've heard, Tweety's been singing the "it's so close" tune with everyone else in the media except for those literate in math. That's more supportive than not.

If he didn't like her, he'd be saying that she's done and can't win the Primary with anything but a miracle.

[Auntie Bush]

91. He knows where his bread is buttered.

How about Cafferty and sometimes KO...which breaks my heart. If you were sensitive to misogynistic comments ...you would have noticed it for months.

[The Doctor.]

97. I'm not hyper-sensitive, and I don't look for what's not there... if you would...

I'd be happy to see some examples. But every time I ask, I get nothing.

So... do you have quotes, or do you just 'feel' there's misogyny out there?

[Auntie Bush]

101. I KNOW it!

If you don't believe it...do a search and see for yourself. You're the one who's doing the doubting. I believe my own eyes and ears. Why do you think Tweety had to to make that apology?

[The Doctor.]

103. How can you know it if you haven't seen it? And how could you see it if you can't POINT to it?

I'd like to know what you 'know'. I'm not being a jerk, and I'm not calling you a liar... but in order to see something of the nature you describe, there must be something there to describe.

I already told you that we all know what a depraved shithead Tweety is. You don't have to convince me of that. His depravity, however, transcends politics into pure perversion. He's a pig, and it has nothing to do with the candidates specifically.

Now, I want to know, specifically, what direct evidence of 'sexism' there is in the media with regard to Clinton.

Or is it merely a deep-seated sense of unfairness from which you are divining these 'feelings'?

You say you 'believe your own eyes and ears', yet you can't show or tell me what your eyes have seen and your ears have heard? I'm afraid that leaves your audience to believe that you have invented such things.

So what is it that you have seen or heard that makes you feel this way?

I'm all eyes and ears.

[AlCzervik]

73. Since your the one complaining what have you done to make this forum a more collegial place?

You have posted some big flame bait and ugliness as well so how about trying to lead by example?

[The Doctor.]

76. I have something here for this thread;

Shame no one can answer my questions or show any actual sexism here.

[stevenleser]

77. Here we go again. My ignore list isnt functioning. Boy do I miss not seeing this crap.

Ignore is my friend! Why does it leave me on days like this!!!

[indimuse]

79. K&R

Thank you..a much needed post! Unreal. Such "Willful Blindness." and scary O supporters.

[The Doctor.]

92. LMAO! Same question to you that no one has tried to answer;

"Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?"

An honest answer there proves the OP is full of shit.


I won't hold my breath.

[The Doctor.]

107. Welcome to the list of Self-deluded Clinton supporters.

This, like so many other posts is going straight into my "Hillary people are just plain full of shit" file for future use in an OP.

Thanks for your complete lack of reason. It will serve as proof that Hillary's people are, for the most part, delusional.

Too bad you refuse to answer the question.

[brooklyndemo]

80. I don't think sexism is a big problem here

Things are said about Hillary's positions that are not necessarily sexist. The tone may be a little harsh, and may come across as sexist, but isn't.

[Dbdmjs1022]

82. Ugh. Bullshit

I'm not voting for Hillary, and it's not because I hate women. It's because she's a lying, conniving, cheating, power hungry fucktard. And if a male candidate acted the way she has I'd say the EXACT same thing. Get over yourself.

[ProSense]

83. "This forum" is not responsible for Hillary losing. n/t

[AlCzervik]

84. stop making sense.

[The Doctor.]

86. Well, that particular poster is a strong advocate of 'sense'... I'm sure there's a clue somewhere.

:silly:

[Danger Mouse]

87. Sigh...i miss ignore...

[MonkeyFunk]

88. Good post

and don't worry about the people who stridently refuse to "get it". We have a number of people here who will go out of their way to say that calling a woman a "fucking whore" or a "cunt" isn't sexist.

Blind allegiance to a candidate makes people stupid.

[The Doctor.]

93. You're notorious for running away from questions. Here's one for ya;

"Are you saying that 'rich white women' have all of the same priviledges as 'rich white men'?

Or are you saying they're not allowed to be bitter or angry about not having the same priviledges and should just suck it up?'

So, can you answer those questions honestly?

Because if you do, you'll prove that the quote in the OP isn't 'sexist'... and we can't have that, can we MF?

[The Doctor.]

108. LOL! You have your own folder in my 'favorites' now.

This, like so many other posts is going straight into my "Hillary people are just plain full of shit" file for future use in an OP.

Thanks for your complete lack of reason. It will serve as proof that Hillary's people are, for the most part, delusional.

Too bad you refuse to answer the question.

[GoldieAZ49]

89. agreed

Women of every race in every country are discriminated against.

We don't ask for a sympathy vote, or a guilt vote.

[The Doctor.]

94. Uhhh.... how the hell does that prove Obama people are sexist?

"Women of every race in every country are discriminated against."

Sorry, but the sexism that you people are seeing from Obama is a delusion.


Otherwise someone would have provided examples to my many dozens of requests over the last month.

[LisaM]

90. Actually, sometimes women do get pulled over just for being women

There was a case in King County a couple of years ago where a policeman was stopping women at night and demanding sex in exchange for not issuing a ticket. He did it to several women and finally one spoke out.

[The Doctor.]

95. Yes, that happens, but it's silly to say that it happens less due to race.

You'd simply have to be out of touch.

[LisaM]

98. I'm just pointing out that it happens, that's all.

I'm not trying to have a victimhood contest as far as why people are pulled over, but it does happen.

I think it happens to Latinos a LOT, and they are also probably questioned whether they are citizens at the same time.

[The Doctor.]

99. I'd guess that lately, it happens to Hispanics more too, but I agree...

The 'victimhood' contest is ridiculous, and the OP here is guilty of playing victim to imagined slights.

[goletian]

109. PEOPLE BARELY CONSIDER HILLARY HUMAN, YOU WANNA CRY SEXISM? LOL

[Kitty Herder]

110. I'm an Obama supporter and I agree.

There is a lot of sexism here.

[The Doctor.]

118. Where?

I've asked many times and received no answers.

If I held my breath waiting for one of you to back up this claim, I'd have been a goner weeks ago.

[eridani]

111. Well, Clinton just happened to be right on that one

Sexism was entrenched long before the human population got large enough to make contact with significant numbers of people very different from each other ethnically. A bad habit got extended to that other characteristic after that.

[IndianaJones]

115. is it that suprising? remember the homophobia? nt.

[billyoc]

119. I wouldn't stand up for Hillary if she was being stoned. nt

[BzaDem]

123. You are sick.

[shadowknows69]

124. You know there is the option

TO NOT FUCKING COME HERE. Stop bitching, and before you have an embolism about that, I don't know what gender you are.

[aquart]

125. Were these remarks made by women?

In which case I can only say sonderkommando.

[Occam Bandage]

130. Complaints of sexism, racism and homophobia on DU outnumber actual instances

of sexism, racism, and homophobia on DU by about ten to one, I think.

[Jed Dilligan]

131. So it's sexist to believe that discrimination against women

isn't the biggest problem in the world? I don't know, in real life, a single woman who believes that, so I guess all the women I know are sexists.

[Egnever]

135. Oh the horror!

she will have to face it in the GE lets just get it all out now!

Thats her reasoning isnt it? Quit fuckin crying.

[Emillereid]

136. Although I agree that women have had it rough throughout history - however,

to make your point I think you need to stick to the American experience. I am a white woman and I know I have no fear of being pulled over or arrested for being a woman; I know I will not be stoned, I know that baby girls will not be slaughtered here, etc.

In answer to your question about slavery and Jim Crow - it was way better to be a white woman - slavery and Jim Crow killed. There were thousands of blacks (mainly men) who were lynched while white men and women cheered and ate picnic lunches.

[Pisces]

140. The argument of who has it worse is ridiculous. Quit bitching, do you see Obama crying

about the race card- no you don't. Suck it up. Yes it is hard being a woman in the US. But we are not tortured, killed, or forced to marry. Get over yourself. It is harder so work harder end of story. I am a woman and have worked hard for my position. Does this make me lenient towards other women , no, am I harder on them , absolutely not. Just buck up and get into action. I am a solid Obama supporter, I don't have to support a woman just because I am a woman. Sexism like racism will never be eradicated, so quite wishing for rainbows and unicorns and do what you can do.

I do not support Hillary playing the poor female victim card. As a woman it makes me sick.

[Indenturedebtor]

145. Racism, sexism, ageism, pick your poison

It's all screwed up and has no place here. I've seen it all from supporters of each candidate... but I see FAR less of it on DU than I encounter in every day life.

Injustice of all kinds is worth fighting against. It starts with education and with leaders who lead by example...

[tnlefty]

146. I understand what you're saying, but could you please tell me how

to deal with women who have called me a "woman hating woman", "a self loathing woman" just because I didn't jump onto Hillary's bandwagon when she first announced that she was running. I attended the TN Federation of Democratic Women's convention in Knoxville last weekend and while most in attendance were wearing Hillary buttons and talking about everyone coming together behind the eventual nominee there was one woman who was between me and a local friend and she stated, "anyone who isn't supporting the strongest female candidate that we've had should be thrown out of the Federation and removed from any local party offices that they hold. Perhaps they should join their local men's club."

Policy and behavior shouldn't dictate my decisions? Only gender? I did mention that if she could point me to a Federation of Democratic Men, or a local men's club I'd check into seeing if I could join as I probably get more attention just for being a different gender and I could listen in to what they're talking about.

I don't appreciate this attitude either. :shrug:

I don't like sexism and I'm raising 3 males and we have many. many, many discussions about sexist language.

[bluetrain]

147. I'm sorry, you would want to join a men's club because you'd get more attention?! WTF?

[tnlefty]

150. No, actually it was about the women who think that I should turn

in my private parts for not jumping on the Hillary bandwagon, be kicked out of my state's Federation of Democratic Women, or be kicked out of my local party, and my smartass response to a woman who was stating that. Better now? :wtf: indeed.

[mcctatas]

148. I agree that sexism has played a part in this primary....

as has racism, xenophobia, elitism, reverse elitism etc., etc,. ad nauseum. Historical candidates have brought out historical prejudices. However, when you claim "It's another attempt to downplay sexism by claiming 'this is worse!'", you are engaging in the exact same thing, downplaying racism and xenophobia by dismissing them with examples of sexism. I think you have missed the forest for the trees....

None of these things have a place on DU, and the extended point/counterpoint of ignorance and outrage makes both sides look bad...