I'm tired of Hillary talking about how she has been outspent in PA

[Adelante]

If she didn't waste a FORTUNE, she wouldn't be outspent now.

It's just irking me. :(

[NightWatcher]

1. if she had it, she'd spend it

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. She doesn't have it and she's spending it anyway.

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. Why won't her supporters give her more money? Handwriting no the wall here. n/t

[Bucky]

3. She has a point tho. Clearly Obama is in debt to, and in the hip pocket of...

...the American voters. Can you really trust a man whose political future is leveraged to the whims of mere citizens?

[Bigleaf]

24. So true. Fucking scandalous I'd say.

[grantcart]

33. what is it say about her supporters that they don't really believe enough to send in

$ 20 ?

[Cant trust em]

38. Apparently most of Clinton's supporters don't donate and they don't caucus

Two things that demand a lot from supporters.

[Bucky]

44. Sit back, be quiet, relax. Let the experts run the government. Maybe you could go shopping.

It is, you know, the highest form of patriotism.

[Cant trust em]

49. Sweet. I'm going to text message my vote in while doing shots of Crown Royal. NT

[NightWatcher]

4. KO just said that maybe she's trying to limit the blow from a narrow win

making excuses before the numbers come out

[Vinca]

5. She blew a bundle on her last Senate campaign when she could

have saved it for this race. Then there were the ritzy suites in Las Vegas. She doesn't seem to know the value of a dollar.

[Diane R]

52. Actually, she blew a bundle on her Senate race when it could have been used to elect other democrats

[dansolo]

6. Hey Hillary, if you can't take the heat...

[Capn Sunshine]

7. My response: then get more Money, Hill

There's a reason Hillary doesn't have it to spend. Donations have dried up as the reality she's not going to win sinks in.

[rinsd]

8. Agreed. Its a terrible talking point.

You can use that ealry in an election like the 1st 1 or 2 contests.

Not in the home stretch.

[roguevalley]

75. I wish she would just say I lost or won because that is the way it

went. Didn't the numbers in the exit polls about her attacking him and the negativity teach her anything? God, I am so glad this is almost over. Whining is so sad.

[roguevalley]

80. Off topic a bit: David Gregory is an asshole. I cannot believe that

I am on Pat Buchanan's side.

[rinsd]

81. Not watching so I cannot comment.

But he has to be bad if Pitchfork has you nodding.

[Carolina]

9. she's playing the victim

"I'm just a POOR GIRL!"

[PoliticalAmazon]

10. She's admitting funders don't have enough confidence in her to fund her campaign. n/t

[joeybee12]

11. Why, because she has a valid point...that Barry can spend a fortune

and still not win? So much for transcendence.

[Debi]

16. Barry who?

[Bucky]

26. Manilow. You know, the guy who sang....

"Now it's a disco, but not for Lola
Still in the dress she used to wear, faded feathers in her hair
She sits there so refined, and drinks herself half-blind
She lost her youth and she lost her Tony
Now she's lost her mind!

At the Copa (CO!), Copacabana (Copacabana)
The hottest spot north of Havana (here)
At the Copa (CO!), Copacabana
Music and passion were always the fashion
At the Copa....don't fall in love"

[joeybee12]

30. He's on the DVD...The Best of the Colbert Report...I hadn't

realized how badly Stephen slammed him at the Emmys.

[rinsd]

37. For you

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29348036

[Bucky]

82. !

Perfect. I won't sleep for a week now.

[joeybee12]

29. Barry Obama...the guy who changes his name and appearance to

suit whichever crowd wants to transfer their values to him and think he agrees with them!

[Bucky]

41. Changed his appearance? Are you crazy?

Wait, nevermind...

I googled up his image and realized, yes, Obama has RADICALLY altered his looks for popular appeal. My god, what a chameleon!





Obama in 1987... and Obama today! Make that "a Manchurian chameleon"!

[joeybee12]

58. What's his name on the left...now he's changed his appearance...

...that little dweeb is very buff these days...maybe that's why he's out of work.

[Bucky]

61. It's called the "Bronson Pinchot Effect". Prime example is Carrot Top.

If your money comes from your funny, don't take the fucking steroids!

[joeybee12]

65. Yeah, Carrot Top is scary...that face on a buff body...

...oh, and I don't think Carrot Top got his money from funny...God only knows how he got it.

[Cant trust em]

72. That would be Jaleel White?

Sounds about right.

[joeybee12]

73. Yeah, and I can't even think of the name of the character he played!

It's right on the tip of my tongue...

[Cant trust em]

74. Steve Urkel.

The fact that you didn't know that and it came right off the top of my head makes me feel pretty lame.

[joeybee12]

78. That was one of those shows I never watched, but knew everything about!

Like now I know everything about Dancing with the Stars, but have never seen it!

[Blue-Jay]

46. The other day in Scranton, he changed his name to Chaz Rodham.

You should've seen that crazy blond wig he was wearing!

[juno jones]

76. I know lots of adults who drop a 'childhood' nickname,

Usually something like 'Susy' or 'Jimmie'. They become 'Suzanne' or 'James', at least to the outer world. For the life of me I can't see why people obsess over that.I'm supposed to think that both my sisters, my best friend, and my 3 of my significant others all harbored dishonest intentions when they decided to go with their full names instead of a shortened familial nickname?

In '76, some people were spooked by Jimmy Carter running as 'Jimmy' instead of James. A lack of 'gravitas' they said. Funny that he is now about the only ex-pres around with gravitas coming out his ears. Names are stupid things to argue about, a rose would smell as sweet etc, etc.

But I'm sure logic and personal experience matter not.

[ScarletSniper]

19. No. The point is she sucks at fund raising and blew all that money long ago

[jackson_dem]

28. Obama spent in 6 weeks about half of what Bob Casey spent in all of 2006

The difference is Casey won despite being outspent by Santorum while Obama's attempt to purchase PA will likely fail. Iowa may sell out to the highest bidder but not PA!

[joeybee12]

34. I saw an interesting article about the Rendell-casey guv race in 2002...

...it was kind of reverse where Rendell took all the areas Obama is expected to take tonight, and Casey took all the ones Hilary is expected to take...and now the two are supporting people who supposedly aren't part of each other's base. Go figure.

[jackson_dem]

40. Yeah that is very ironic

Rendell won the cities, the liberal vote, the AA vote while Casey won rural areas and conservative pro-gun, pro-life Dems.

[joeybee12]

59. Politics make for strange bedfellows...

...cliches are always so true.

[joeybee12]

35. I saw an interesting article about the Rendell-casey guv race in 2002...

...it was kind of reverse where Rendell took all the areas Obama is expected to take tonight, and Casey took all the ones Hilary is expected to take...and now the two are supporting people who supposedly aren't part of each other's base. Go figure.

[BootinUp]

12. I'm not.

tee hee. :hi:

[tishaLA]

13. She outspends him on advisors

It appears his money is better spent.

[TexanDem]

14. She always whines. It's her own fault. She mismanaged.

[ScarletSniper]

15. In essence she's blaming Obama because her fund raising sucks and she blew her cheddar prematurely

[Debi]

17. If she had the money would she hold on to it?

:shrug:

Just because she dropped $140 million for a third place finish in Iowa x(

[tishaLA]

18. She was Guiliani-ing on CNN.com

just a minute ago....yapping about September 11th. She's been really playing that card lately hasn't she?

[OutNow]

20. Clinton Outspent Because I Contributed $150.00 to Obama

And so did a million other people. Hey, those small contributions add up. Wait until you see what a million contributors can do in the GE. Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlooInBloo]

21. If she had people donating to her she wouldn't be outspent now.

[City Lights]

22. Hey Hill! If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! Quit whining!

:thumbsdown:

[Raine]

23. When she had it she wasted it

and blew it all in by Feb 5. If she could manage to shake the money out of her followers she would blow it all again.

[jackson_dem]

25. It is the truth. Obama spent $7 million in six weeks. Bob Casey spent $11 million as of Sept. 30

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06290/730649-177.stm

Yet he still can't win?

[ScarletSniper]

36. Here's a question: Why can't Hillary keep up with Obama in the fund raising arena? What does it

say about her?

[jackson_dem]

43. Her base tends to be working class. I don't care if she raises as much as long as she wins!

[ScarletSniper]

67. Come on ..the avg. Obama donation is $109 bucks so that's a no go and she's not going to

win the nomination...not going to happen. Sorry. Also, so you think the working class people gave her that $140 million she blew...lmao!!!!

[jackson_dem]

71. Who can more easily shell out $109?

A person making $100,000 a year or someone making $25,000 a year?

[RBInMaine]

27. This is pure spin. She has deep machine and demographics advantages, and she knows it.

[frazzled]

31. John McCain was certainly outspent by Romney

And Huckabee spent nothing ... yet McCain and Huckabee were the two last men standing in the Republican primary.

The "they outspent us and we still won" (or "they outspent us and that is why we lost") is merely political spin. If spending were the sole predictor of of a race ... there wouldn't need to be a race. Money is only one factor among many, including organization, democraphics of the voting area, media spin, etc.

[jackson_dem]

32. The fact Romney lost despite having money was a sign of his weakness...

[ScarletSniper]

39. What does it say about Hillary's weakness that she can't raise as much as Obama?

[jackson_dem]

42. That certainly is a sign of weakness but it doesn't matter if you win despite it

Just like at McSame vs. Romney or Kerry vs. Dean.

[Cant trust em]

51. I think it does matter actually. It certainly shows to SDs that he can go places

that the demographics don't work in his favor and pick up support and money.

[jackson_dem]

54. If PA stood alone, yes, but he has lost every big state other than his own

If he loses tonight, especially if it is due to white working class voters, a narrative will be cemented. He can't win the Reagan Democrats in the key swing states even with the advantage of spending $11 million on television alone in 6 weeks.

[Cant trust em]

64. Even if its just by a couple of points?

I'd say that if he can close what was a 20 point gap 6 weeks ago then he's doing pretty well.

[ScarletSniper]

You're making wayyyyyy too much sense..lol

[ScarletSniper]

69. You're making wayyyyyy too much sense..lol

[ScarletSniper]

68. Obama has the money and the lead..Hill can't catch him in either catergory...sorry

[Cant trust em]

45. Is Obama supposed to give back the money?

I gave my money to him specifically for this reason. You know, so he could spend it.

[grantcart]

48. I bet the Clinton's will quit tomorrow if they get a percent of the action

[Growler]

50. Another reason not to support her

To me her argument only highlights how few people support her. She's crazy to make this argument.

[Orsino]

53. She was outRAISED.

And in my opinion, she is a tougher sell--if only because Obama looks more like the hope that's raising more money.

[jackson_dem]

55. Correction: Obama almost spent in 6 weeks what Casey spent in an entire year

$11 million on television alone for Obama...

[joeybee12]

60. If Mitt Romney is any indication...money may not matter so much

this year.

[melody]

56. If she can't stand the heat, she best stay out of the kitchen

This is a tough job for only tough people.

[jackson_dem]

62. She isn't whining. She is showing her strength

It takes a strong candidate to beat an ATM machine (such as McSame against Romney). Obama spent almost as much in 6 weeks as Bob Casey spent in all of 2006 to beat the well-financed Rick Santorum for a senate seat. Yet he still can't win? :wtf:

[Political Tiger]

57. Sour grapes.

And what's a cheapskate! She won't spend a dime of her millions on herself!

[Window]

63. If she can't pay the cost to be the boss, she should get the hell out of the kitchen.

[Hoof Hearted]

66. Shall we call you the Waambulance?

Your argument is ridiculous given that he's out-raised her all along the entire way as well. It's just dumb. Was she not supposed to spend money in other states?

You got some sour, sour grapes goin' on.

[Life Long Dem]

70. It still don't balance out in favor of Obama.

Look at the Clinton News Network (CNN) going 24/7 for 6 weeks in PA for Clinton.

[KaryninMiami]

77. The reality is that not only is she lacking in donations from individuals

(unlike Obama who is being funded by them), but her major donors (and corporate donors) are also not supporting her in the numbers she needs. She's jealous and the only thing she can do, is complain about being outspent. It irks me too.

[Donna Zen]

79. A surprise

When you look at the totals they have both raised, the difference in the amounts they have on hand is quite surprising. Clinton raised a lot of money and actually didn't spend it competing in all of the states. (I'll get to that in a minute.) What would Obama's supporters and donors have thought had he not gone all out in PA? Of course he spent money...that's why we gave it to him. Considering that simple fact, I would say that Clinton's argument means nothing...just spin.

About all of the money that Clinton raised and spent: I have a friend who told me when this entire nightmare primary was just gearing up that Clinton was spending hard and fast. She hired the top dogs at top dollar and was offering signing bonuses. In fact, Hillary Clinton was actually bringing on board more help than needed to keep them from being available for other candidates. Also, and this I gleaned from the TV, the way the salaries are structured are very different between the two teams. Penn and others received additional money dependent on the ads placed etc. Obama didn't do that. Axelrod earns a good salary without extras, but it is no where near what the top of Hillaryland gets. IOW, Clinton chose the old model for structuring salary; Obama chose a much more streamline scheme.

Finally, I would think that Obama had to out spend Hillary who had every advantage in PA. I grew up there. Only my mother was an elected Dem.; the rest of my family was always on the fringes of politics because of business but stayed off the tickets. I spent my childhood up close and personal with the politics of Pgh. I will tell you from personal experience that PA runs on old-school machines. Hillary having two big town mayors and the government gave her access to that machine. Add in her name recognition. What she had to work with was nearly insurmountable. I am amazed that Obama is doing as well as he has done no matter the numbers that are about to roll in.

[blonndee]

83. If she had the widespread, hard-core support Obama has, she wouldn't have to whine about being

misspent.

But she doesn't. So she does.