Whites: 60-40 to Hillary, Blacks 92-8 to Obama

[NJSecularist]

This is what the exit polls are saying.

If these numbers are correct, and there is larger than expected black turnout, Obama can come close to Hillary.

With regular black turnout (14%): 52-48
With higher than average turnout (18%): 50-49

He did better among whites in PA than Ohio according to exit polls.

[goldcanyonaz]

1. This really isn't good news, regardless of who you support.

[Mooney]

2. Why?

[oviedodem]

8. It is not good news because it shows that racial issues exist in the democratic party in high

numbers. You expect this from the right not the left.

[Texas Hill Country]

11. it says a lot more than just that.

[book_worm]

49. It seems to indicate that O can attract more white support than Hillary can black support.

[kwenu]

19. Lately,I haven't been able to tell the difference. Are some Dems faking it?

[JoFerret]

69. Absolutely. Why have the black voters

suspended their critical faculties?
Why have the white voters suspended theirs?

[demo dutch]

76. Subterranean racism is alive and well in this country and don't forget it!. Plus if the polls

list whatever percentage it was, where race played a factor, you know the actual percentage is even larger in reality!

[Autumn]

77. Yeah you are right

you would think we are above that.It is very disappointing.

[kwenu]

4. How so?

[saracat]

5. I agree. This is racist no matter which way it plays.

[Hoof Hearted]

13. You'll not see as much outcry about the second half of that poll though.

[Mooney]

21. Well in the past, black voters had a choice between the white guy and the other white guy.

So it's bad that that isn't the case this year?

[ScarletSniper]

26. exactly and even when there was a black guy before the white guy still got a large % of the votes

[demo dutch]

78. Because the "best" guy should win, black or white should be irrelevant but

it never is.

[Straight Shooter]

66. You call deciding between a rock and a hard place a choice?

I haven't had a "choice" since Carter. Ever since then, it's been gun-at-my-head style politics. The worst one was voting for Kerry because of the overwhelming pressure to save the Supreme Court.

[demo dutch]

79. Oh I so agree, Kerry what a disaster!

[papau]

6. Obama played the race card to chg subject from Hill's NH win & to "consolidate" his base -it worked

[Mooney]

17. When did Obama play the race card? Do you have a quote?

Do you have him on record, ever, anywhere, saying that Hillary Clinton was using racist tactics against him?

[Blue_State_Elitist]

62. It began when his campaign pushed the "fairy tale" thing as being racist.

[Mooney]

67. How did they do that?

[stillcool]

80. I think it began with this....

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.

Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group mentioned in the Obama stories.

"Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.

In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html
Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
By Julie Bosman

KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.
------------------

Johnson's comments and remarks by both Clintons before the New Hampshire primary last week had alarmed several black leaders and drew a rebuke from Obama and his top aides.

It began when Hillary Clinton gave an interview in which she seemed to discount King's role in the civil rights movement. Later, former President Clinton cast aspects of Obama's candidacy as a "fairy tale."

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?pid=278988
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.

Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/

Link for lawsuit: http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Ka hrnt]

85. Here's what I found....

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/48905.html

[JoFerret]

88. What are the rules of this game?

.

[scheming daemons]

52. You can repeat this 1000 times in 1000 threads and it STILL won't be true...

...

[Emit]

55. Obama played the race card ?

When? Link?

[kwenu]

59. They think he played the race card by being Black while running for the presidency.

I think he may be "guilty" as charged in that case.

[stillcool]

82. Ah! That explains it!

[Ka hrnt]

87. Here?

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/48905.html

[sandnsea]

10. I know, Hillary has lost the black vote

No way she can win in November.

[JVS]

15. If these numbers hold, it's fantastic!

[Texas Hill Country]

22. for Obama's nomination maybe, but it is a very sad number.

[JVS]

28. It's sad that Hillary and Bill had to turn the black community's support of Obama into a racially...

charged conflict. Even the republicans are able to usually shut the fuck up about the fact that few blacks vote for them.

[ScarletSniper]

30. what about the large number of white women that vote for hillary..is that sad too..

frick that..

[Texas Hill Country]

65. women are voting with about a 15pt divide... that is NOT a 8 to 92 split......

[beachmom]

61. It was Bill's Jesse Jackson remarks that polarized it. Notice the Obamas

don't have anything similar that belittles women. That is the difference. And AA don't hate the Clintons, long term anyway. If she bows out, they'll come around and forgive them for their silly behavior.

[demo dutch]

81. Unfortunately, racism seems to be quite prevalent in the African-American community

God forbid you should support the "White" candidate, if one of your own is running. There is no difference! .. subterranean racism is alive and well on both sides.

[undeterred]

90. I disagree.

If "one of your own" has never been elected to high office in the whole damn history of the country and "one of your own" comes along who is an excellent candidate, why on earth wouldn't you vote for him? None of us is independent of our race and gender. I don't call that racism.

[beachmom]

60. I disagree. First of all, white women voted FOR Hillary in large numbers,

not against Obama. Secondly, I think white men voted Hillary maybe plus 10. This is not that polarizing, compared to Mississippi which really was depressing. I thought Obama would only get 36% of the white vote. 40% is excellent.

[Johnny__Motown]

3. Hey, a 52-48 split tonight is fine by me.. they were talking double digits not long ago

[cooolandrew]

7. Which probably adds to a winfo Obama when counted together. Just guessing could be wrong.

[jefferson_dem]

9. And Obama performs better among both groups than in the SurveyUSA poll

Survey USA had Obama taking 37% of white vote and 11% of black vote. If these results hold, he will do better than the six point spread.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b92f9f10-4d6b-4f93-b747-e06a37fce20f

We'll see what shakes out when the actual votes are counted. :hi:

[Hoof Hearted]

12. Are you pleased with this? Why?

[GarbagemanLB]

18. Obama made inroads into important demographics since Ohio? It's a good thing.

[jackson_dem]

24. The party being this divided over race is not a good thing

[kwenu]

27. From your repeated posts regarding race. We know you'd prefer a "no minorities" contest.

[jackson_dem]

36. I am a minority

I am not one of those voting for someone because it is a cheap way of feeling good on the issue of race.

[kwenu]

56. The fact that you are a minority, however you define that, does not excuse the position.

If not Obama, then who? If not now, when? It's ridiculous to think only whites should be seriously considered for the presidency and we have to get past this ridiculousness. Obama certainly appeals to a Black constituency, Hillary appeals to Female constituency. Every candidate will have that advantage to some degree. It is natural. If there is a serious Asian candidate, guess what? Asians will vote for him/her in disproportionate numbers.

This is a non-issue. I suggest you get over it and move on.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. I fully agree. It's not a good thing.

For either candidate.

[ScarletSniper]

34. The party is not divided over race..black people haven't had a viable candidate to vote for before..

but it doesn't mean they are not democrats or won't vote for the "white" democrat in November, so save it.

I guess people forgot that Hillary had a larger portion of the black vote before Billy's performance in South Carolina, before Billy Sheehan's words in New Hampshire and before she put Bob Johnson out there to speak for her.

[jackson_dem]

37. Voting based on race is being divided by race by definition

Good point. Obama divided us based on race to win South Carolina.

[msallied]

39. A lot of people vote based on such isues.

They vote based on religion, they vote on race, they vote on PARTY. That's how the American people have traditionally voted. If we were issues voters, do you think that Bush would have won... TWICE?

[jackson_dem]

41. Party is a proxy for issues, especially for low information voters

Religious voting is not healthy either. The rethugs had that with Romney. Just like Obama he got 90% support from "his group" in each state. The difference is Mormons are a small slice of their party. Blacks are one fifth of Democrats and whites are at least three fifths. We run the risk of a divide between the two largest ethnic groups in the party.

[kwenu]

64. Red herring. Obama is a legitmate and positive candidate regardless of his race.

And that is why your whining is just whining. I'm sorry those Black voters are just giving Hillary heartburn. Maybe she should question why she ISN'T doing as well with her own natural constituency.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. This is a win, then.

He's cutting into her base and that's what the media wanted to see. It's over.

Hillary will drop out next week.

[Texas Hill Country]

16. you are missing the point of the thread.

[Drunken Irishman]

20. No, I think you are.

Clinton needed to show Obama couldn't get it done and she won't have a case if she wins PA by 1-5 points.

[Texas Hill Country]

31. no, actually, you just proved you missed the point of the post.

[kwenu]

33. Then please say what the point is and stop being cryptic.

[Texas Hill Country]

43. it points out that whites are voting basically down the middle, the AA community is not...

[NJSecularist]

23. The point of this thread is to post the demographics.

All you guys can make of it what you will. I'm just reporting the data.

[ProSense]

25. What is that: Hillary's divisive campaign worked, but Obama made

lemonade out of lemons?

[TahitiNut]

32. Don't let your Reality Check bounce.

Reality Check

[hiaasenrocks]

35. 92-8. LOL. Yeah, no racial divide there.

[CakeGrrl]

50. Gee, I wonder if statements like these had anything to do with it?

"He's not a Muslim...as far as I know."

"Next thing you know, we'll see an ad saying 'You gotta vote for me for president - I don't steal cars'."

"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

[bluetrain]

38. The only way to save this is to put them both on the same ticket.

[Texas Hill Country]

45. i actually agree.

[Erin Elizabeth]

40. Doesn't surprise me.

Here in Texas, I was the only white delegate for Obama out of my entire (very large precinct). (There were 34 other delegates and they were all African-American. The same held true in my surrounding precincts.)

But what's wrong with that? Some people in this thread sound like they're saying black people shouldn't be allowed to vote for the black candidate in such large numbers. And that's just wrong. They can vote for whomever the hell they want to vote for, same as everyone else.

Damn.

[jackson_dem]

42. What would you say if Clinton got 90% of the white vote in every remaining state?

You'd be kosher with that? People are happy with racial voting right now because it benefits Obama. Clinton rarely reaches 60% of the white vote and is at about 54-55% nationally. Obama gets 80-91%, usually 84-91% of the black vote in every state. Overall, since Obama only needs 43-44% non-black support to win the hypothetical typical Dem primary state he wins from this equation. Divide and conquer, right Barack?

[JVS]

44. She campaigned like she was aiming for it.

[Texas Hill Country]

46. i wouldnt be cool with that even tho i support her. any racial divide like this makes me sad.

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. "Racial voting?"

What the fuck is racial voting? Want to explain that one?

You know what I see around me? I see people voting FOR THE PERSON THEY WANT TO VOTE FOR. It's called America. It's called democracy.

Why do you have a problem with that? Personally, I don't feel like telling all my African-American neighbors that they need to knock off this voting for the black guy shit because that's just WRONG.

Would you like to tell them that? LOL!

Oh and why would I have a problem if a candidate got 90% of the white vote? If they do, they do.

[book_worm]

47. If O got 40% of white vote that's better than most polls indicated

and even the African-American vote at 92% is better than the polls had indicated.

[galaxy21]

51. I think there's a difference

Blacks voting for Obama overwhelmingly is mainly because they want to see a black president.

Wheras that many white voters going to clinton indicates they're voting against having a black president.


Is it entirely fair in each case? No. But the latter is a lot worse to me.

[indimuse]

53. very telling..

.

[mystieus]

54. Hillary was getting 70% of the black vote before South Carolina

And we all know what happen next.

[woolldog]

57. The 8% of AAs saying they voted for Clinton....

are lying. :rofl:

[galaxy21]

58. I think it was when Obama won Iowa rather than Bill's actions

I think the reason black people where so lukewarm to him was because they didn't think whites would vote for him and he woulnd't have a chance anyway. Then he won such a lily white state, they realized he could win.

[marshall]

86. That, and they didn't like Obama being offered a second fiddle seat in the back of the Clinton bus

That had to hurt him in the south, where many black voters can actually remember having to sit in the back of the bus.

[Catherina]

63. Great.

And as far as all the people weeping about Black ingratitude, too fucking bad. Thread after thread warned y'all to quit with the racist shit but you knew better and refused to listen.

Tough shit.

Ain't playing Mammie to Miz Hillary no mo.

[JoFerret]

68. White trash v. black trash?

Where are the elites?

[anonymous171]

70. He improved tremendously since OH among those groups.

[MadBadger]

71. The only reason he lost by as much was because of the age of the state.

[anonymous171]

72. I agree.

Bill Clinton won the most votes yesterday.

[GarbagemanLB]

73. Apparently the results in PA were so troubling to the OP that they switched to Hillary...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm sure he/she was SUCH a believer in Obama beforehand!

[MadBadger]

74. I know.

[demo dutch]

84. Just accept it for what it is. Subterranean racism alive and well which will haunt

Obama's campaign, I'm sorry to say.

[stillcool]

83. it's contaigious...

I think they're pimping the 'buyers remorse' thing they heard on the tv.

[gsaguyCLW54]

75. Hillary can get votes in November that Obama will lose...simple as that.

[stillcool]

89. From where?