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Tue Apr-22-08 08:27 PM
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So, the final results of PA, then: |
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1. Hillary blew a 20-point lead and failed to make a statistically-significant dent in Obama's lead. 2. Obama successful bled Hillary dry of her entire cash reservoir. 3. Hillary has no firewalls left.
Sounds good to me.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 PM
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Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 PM by FLDem5
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 PM
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4. It's more over tonight that it was yesterday. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:28 PM
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5. Didn't quite blow the lead, but held on. |
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Still feeling good about the nomination.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:30 PM
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12. I'd argue that she did. With a 20-point win, she could make a decent argument |
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about her chances going forward. She could say, look, Obama's peaked, and if I keep winning blowouts like this then I'm the nominee.
With a slim single-digit lead, her claim to "the momentum" is tarnished, and she certainly can't claim that she's made progress towards winning the nomination. She has to win a higher percentage of all delegates going forward than she did yesterday.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:33 PM
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21. She'll call it a win and that's all that matters. |
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But we know that it's not all that matters, it's the delegate count. Tonight is an OK night for her after its all said and done. It's always good to win, but what does this win mean for her? Answer...not much. She's still not going to win the nom.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:35 PM
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She called Texas a win, too, despite Texas taking her further from the nomination. |
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PA, too, took her further from the nomination.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:36 PM
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25. It's like a window that is slowly closing |
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each primary she can slow it down for a little bit, but sooner or later that window's going to close.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:45 PM
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36. This is like that 'Joementum', isn't it?? |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 PM
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6. And she cannot raise money! |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 PM
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Let the Hillbots celebrate tonight. It will be the last party they have. :party:
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:29 PM
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:30 PM
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9. The night is young -- n/t |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 PM
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13. Umm... yeah if the night is a year long and began last December. |
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She's lost. Then again, she might infuse her campaign with more of her millions. Why not. It's the American way... oh wait... the Republican way.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:30 PM
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10. Hilary came out in a national debate as an official |
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warmonger willing to obliterate countries.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 PM
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:34 PM
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22. And Bill got caught in more bald-faced lies. |
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They have really hurt their reputation with this desperate power grab.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:30 PM
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11. One last chance for HIllary to leave on a high note. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 PM
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14. Yup, About Sums it Up |
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If Chuck's head explodes it'll be that much better. He is buttering up the Super Delegates on MSNBC
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 PM
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hillary needs the goalposts moved, again....
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:31 PM
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17. 4. She still can't win the general election. |
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You forgot that one. :evilgrin:
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:35 PM
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23. She can't. You have to be the nominee to have a chance. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:44 PM
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35. And she's further away now than she was yesterday. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:33 PM
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19. I agree. For any Obama supporter who is feeling bad about tonight.... |
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Edited on Tue Apr-22-08 09:03 PM by Cooley Hurd
...her win is not a gain.:thumbsdown: Oh, that goes for any Clinton supporters feeling buoyed by tonight's results.;)
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:35 PM
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24. 4. Hillary now needs at least 80% of remaining delegates to pull ahead. n/t |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:37 PM
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26. That sums it up, Obama has achieved victory! |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:37 PM
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27. goalposts are getting worn out from transport... |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:40 PM
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31. Where ARE those dang goalposts? |
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They were in Pennsylvania. Maybe in Indiana now? :shrug:
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:38 PM
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:39 PM
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29. 22% of precincts reporting |
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and all of Obama's strong areas have been counted.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:39 PM
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30. When was her lead 20%? November? |
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I don't know anyone whose judgment I trust that believed she's win by anywhere near that margin after the primaries and caucuses began....
Nevertheless, she's cash strapped- hough it remains to be seen how Obama can capitalize on that Indiana.
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:41 PM
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32. As recently as 4/12, ARG. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:42 PM
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33. Where are the goal posts now? |
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Tue Apr-22-08 10:09 PM
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42. On the tarmac, waiting for the nonstop, red eye flight to Guam? n/t |
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Tue Apr-22-08 08:56 PM
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38. He outspent her 3 to 1. At least we Hillary supporters got our moneys worth! |
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Lame excuses OB. Kinda sad.
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Tue Apr-22-08 10:04 PM
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39. Yes..if Hill had money, let's say she wasn't in the hole financially, |
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I am positive that she would not spend one penny more than her opponent. Now to the question of bad campaign finances and how that reflects on her ability to manage funds. It is good that you brought up campaign finances this evening.
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Tue Apr-22-08 10:06 PM
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40. Good point - Clinton can't get people to give her money either. |
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Tue Apr-22-08 11:35 PM
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43. Hey, look, a Hillary supporter trying to spin Hill's dried-up revenue stream as a positive! |
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Tue Apr-22-08 10:08 PM
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41. Yes, let the reality sink in to her supporters in the next week. Nothing's changed. |
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She is still the loser. I would admit it readily if it were Obama. But it's not.
HRC has lost. PA is her territory. If all she can pull is a weak 8% margin, that's not saying much. She has lost pledged delegates, popular votes, and now this loss of a sort in PA.
She desperately clings to the Florida-Michigan thing, as if a race was ever run there (which wasn't, of course). That is her backup. But it won't work. The voters will not allow the superdelegates to take away Obama's winning status and give it to the loser.
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Tue Apr-22-08 11:36 PM
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44. #4- Hillary now has to get 61% instead of 60% to get to 2025 |
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