Hillary Clinton is further behind today than she was yesterday

[SoonerPride]

She now has fewer states to make up essentially the same number of delegates and the margins by which she must win the remaining states by has increased, not fallen.

Her victory tonight in terms of actual net pledged delegates will be less than 10.

She failed to gain ground and thus has lost, even though the TV people will tell you she "won."

[Fearless]

1. K&R!

[William769]

2. And Obama still has not broke 50%. Go figure!

Why can't he close the deal?

[Colobo]

9. He will be our nominee, Will. Wait till May 6th and see.

[William769]

14. Why not answer the question?

Here it is again. Why can't he close the deal?

[SoonerPride]

17. Why is Clinton still losing to Obama?

Because her campaign is inept.

She should have won by 25% to a no-name freshman Senator.

Instead, she is losing, despite her minor blip from tonight based upon the 20 years of goodwill built up by her spouse.

[William769]

19. 1% difference.

With two major States that do not count right now but will at the convention.

Since you won't answer the question, I will. He CAN"T win!

[SoonerPride]

25. He has already won.

You are delusional.

[William769]

29. If he has already won then why is he not our nominee?

You are the delusional one. :eyes:

[SoonerPride]

31. He is the presumptive nominee already. Duh.

Surely you realize that.

[William769]

36. Only by his supporters.

When the Super delegates say so then it will be true, until then you really should not use duh unless you use it on yourself.

[SoonerPride]

45. No, the press treats him as the presumptive nominee.

You really need to wake up.

[William769]

48. Link please.

Theres an old saying around here, "put up or shut up".

[SoonerPride]

49. The talk after the ABC debate was that they treated him as the nominee.

I'll go find quotes.

But when I do, you owe me $100.

Wait here.

[William769]

51. Ok, waiting.

[SoonerPride]

55. "one-sided" debate, particularly one that focuses on the de-facto nominee

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/outrage_of_the_day_abc.php

[William769]

56. SO one article speaks for all the press?

Once again will they give it to Obama or the Super delegates?

[SoonerPride]

60. There's more. That took 15 seconds to find.

Sorry, but you were wrong.

The press treats Obama as the presumptive nominee because he is the presumptive nominee.

Funny how that works.

Admit you were wrong and move on.

[SoonerPride]

52. "one-sided" debate, particularly one that focuses on the de-facto nominee

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/outrage_of_the_day_abc.php

[quakerboy]

43. When you are up by 147

in the 4th quarter, you don't have to make any desperation plays. You can give up 10 without any sweat or worry.

[ScarletSniper]

20. Why cant she. She's has the machine. She has name recognition. She had 140 Mil.

[William769]

23. Because it's a race.

My point being why people say she should drop out when there is only 1% difference between them in the popular vote, and Michigan and Florida not being counted yet, but will at the convention.

[SoonerPride]

28. Popular vote is worthless. This is a delegate game.

Sorry, but popular vote means jack squat.

[William769]

33. Ok lets try this again neither has a majority of the delegates

And neither can get it. So yes Super delegates will be looking at the popular vote.

[JeanGrey]

64. Obama is gaining SD's about three to one over Hillary.

What do you think is going to happen in North Carolina with the "popular" vote? And Oregon and other states? There aren't enough states left for her to pull it out. The DNC is not going to allow this to become a mess at the convention.

[dchill]

54. What on earth do you mean?

You need to "go figure."

[stillcool]

61. Is that next on the list?

"closing the deal"? After "race", and "elitist"? Why can't Hillary catch up? Where's the goal post now?

[Milo_Bloom]

65. The deal was closed a long time ago.

[SoCalDem]

73. Deal? she was EXPECTED to win

Did we hear that about HER, when she lost 11 in a row???

She WAS the presumed Grand-Poobah winner of all White Houses..and had been for SEVEN & a HALF YEARS.. Why couldn't SHE close the deal?? an upstart one-termer is kicking her ass from sea to shining sea..

One would expect her to win SOME states, wouldn't one?

MOST years there is ONE candidate by now, but the press looked away and kept giving her cpr..just so they could have something more important to report on than how ghastly McCain is..

[rg302200]

80. Hill had the nomination wrapped up when it first started???

she had the money, the name, the base and the power! Yet she lost the nomination to some rookie Senator from Ill. Why couldn't SHE CLOSE THE DEAL?

[Mme. Defarge]

Plus size female warming up her voice ... n/t

[VeraAgnes]

3. Denial is only the first stage of grief.

The stages Kubler-Ross identified are:



Denial (this isn't happening to me!)

Anger (why is this happening to me?)

Bargaining (I promise I'll be a better person if...)

Depression (I don't care anymore)

Acceptance (I'm ready for whatever comes)

[Occam Bandage]

8. Eventually Team Hillary will move out of denial, yes.

[VeraAgnes]

13. Oh, you poor lost soul.....

:grouphug:

[Occam Bandage]

21. What do you mean? Because I'm capable of looking at spreadsheets showing delegate counts?

Hillary is farther away from winning the nomination today than she was yesterday. She picked up a few delegates, but the pool of remaining delegates shrunk drastically. Tonight was a win only in name.

If you think she's still got a shot, I'd advise hurrying along to anger.

[SoonerPride]

10. The clinton campaign has been stuck in denial for 2 months now

It is over and she has lost.

Her campaign is out of money and will fold after N Carolina and Indiana, which will be two losses and that will be that.

[Tellurian]

35. I think Obama Supporters are in the "Depression Stage"...

Do they actually think the citizens of this country are going to elect a candidate who HATES AMERICA?

If they do...they've LOST their Minds!

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

[SoonerPride]

42. uh, Hillary has zero chance to even win the party nod much less a GE.

Hate to break up your fantasy.

[Tellurian]

70. She will Win the Party nod because she will continue to show she is the stronger candidate..

She pulled off a miracle tonight by her sheer strength, confidence in herself and the tenacity to stand up STRONG when people were telling her to drop out! Hillary is the ONE! The only ONE! She will vanquish Obama and move on to BEAT McCain in the General!

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

Madame President!

[D23MIURG23]

72. The miracle of having her lead of a month ago cut in half.

[Tellurian]

79. The miracle of beating Obama in spite of the rumor mill degrading her viability..

[D23MIURG23]

71. The more of Hillary I have to see the more depressed I get.

And this is only going to fuel the delusion that Hillary's scorched earth campaign.

So yes this is depressing, but not because Hillary is going to win the primary.

[longship]

4. ...and not half as much as tomorrow... (music).

nt

[vi5]

5. Stop lying!!! Feel the Hillmentum!!!!

Let it envelop you!!!! She's UNSTOPPABLE and this victory proves it!!! Obama supporters can suck it with their stupid leads in the "popular vote" and so called "delegate count". That means nothing!!!!!!!



:sarcasm:

[izzie]

6. By the time this is over she will win with this

less of every thing. It is being made up us she goes along. I can not keep up with her and her side and what are the new rules for today. They will say and do anything.

[Ned_Devine]

7. New Hilbot meme: "Why can't he close the deal?"

I consider closing a 20 point gap to 6 points in a state that the queen was destined to win any way "closing the deal".

[SoonerPride]

12. She has entrenched support based upon her husband's name and record.

There is nothing she has done to distinguish herself beyond her name.

And that is plainly the fact.

[JeanGrey]

66. The last time I looked, her "husband" hasn't done her any

favors. In fact, every time he campaigns for her he hurts her.

[SoonerPride]

69. Still, she get a huge head start because of name recognition.

That's it.

If she was just a Rodham she'd have been out in December.

[Obamanaut]

18. My response to anyone who asks me this is why didn't she close

the deal Feb 5th as she predicted. But none of the teevee people ever mention this to her - why is that?

[SoonerPride]

22. Ratings. They like the ratings.

If both primaries were over no one would watch a 5 hour live MSNBC results show.

It is revenue based bias

[Ned_Devine]

24. bingo!

[uponit7771]

11. ...and she broke

[NJmaverick]

15. Agreed, that 's pretty much it

[speedoo]

16. K&R. Thanks for posting. nt

You are correct. PA was Hillary's last opportunity to make a big gain in delegates, and she failed to do so.

[rug]

26. And Obama once again failed to clinch the nomination.

Move your goalpost to North Carolina.

[SoonerPride]

30. We never set the bar at Penn, that was Clinton, who failed tonight.

She will stumble along poorly for two weeks then fold up shop after Indiana and N Carolina bang her coffin lid shut.

[rug]

34. I read that six weeks ago.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Once again, Clinton blows a 30 pt. lead.

:rofl:

[rug]

38. Obama blew millions of dollars in Pennsylvania.

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. Once again, a Clinton supporter forgets it's not winner take all.

So it was money well spent.

:rofl:

[rug]

46. Another Obama supporter who can't count to 2025.

:rofl:

[SoonerPride]

58. We can count and the number of delegates out there just shrunk.

And were basically split evenly.

A net 8 or 9 delegate gain ain't enough for Clinton.

[SoonerPride]

77. AM kick

[SoonerPride]

41. uh no, he took at 20% loss and broke her bank for her pyhrric victory

He played the Cold War money game and drained her dry.

He will now finish her off in two weeks time.

[rug]

44. He's been finishing her off for more than two months.

[SoonerPride]

47. No one said she would be easy to defeat.

Her husband's name is worth his weight in gold.

[JeanGrey]

67. Sigh. HE ALREADY HAS.

[LTR]

74. Why can't HillCo close the deal?

Huh?

[Hoof Hearted]

27. Have your well-water checked.

All those nitrates can rob your brain of oxygen.

[Yukari Yakumo]

37. Scenarios...

56-44 HRC - She'll need over 68% of all remaining delegates to catch Obama.
54-46 HRC - She'll tie him if she gets 69% of the remaining delegates.

And apparently Philly hasn't came in...

[XemaSab]

39. Word

I was sort of hoping it would be a bit tighter, but I was definitely fearing it would be further apart than this.

She didn't do what she needed to do, and the lid is on the coffin. North Carolina will bring the nails.

[IsItJustMe]

50. Facts are stuborn.

[Window]

53. K/R.

:kick:

[DemBones DemBones]

57. . . .

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Khaotic]

59. Why can't he close the deal, why can't he close the deal

Get off that fucking broken record Hillbots!

You're pathetic.

This isn't the fucking WWE!

Do you want to know why he can't close the fucking deal.

Here's why ...



The 42nd President of the United States, and the last Democrat to win the White House, is her fucking husband.

That's it ... period!

If it wasn't for that she wouldn't even be a Senator.

Of course we yearn for those days of yore, but they're not coming back by electing Hillary Clinton.

And Barack Obama is the better candidate.

He's the most Progressive candidate.

He's not the D-L-"fucking"-C!

Even Bill has vastly changed from his days in the White House, but he was there.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

That holds a fuckload of weight.



That's it ... that is why Obama hasn't been able to put it away.

But make no fucking mistake ... the fact that Obama has stood not only toe-to-toe w/ Hillary, but is clowning her in states won, pledged delegates, and in the popular vote, despite the fact she's married to Bill and served as the First Lady, is nothing short of off-the-chart spectacular!!!!!!

Add to the factors that he's black and that his father gave him the middle name of Hussein.

Fuckin' A people ... he may come out of the very fucking heart of Appalachia within 10 points of Hillary Clinton.

A black man with the middle name of Hussein running against the closest thing to reelecting Bill Clinton our party can get.

Yeah ... reelecting one of the most popular and successful Democratic presidents since JFK, and Barack Obama, a first term senator from Illinois is beating her.

Why can't he put it away????

You have to be kidding me?

The odds of being her can't be counted up. He is against all odds, but he is here.

He is winning.

Because, he is the man and he will tear fucking John McSame completely apart.

'Nuff said!?!

[SoonerPride]

63. Nice rant!

Agree 100%.

[Khaotic]

68. Thx!

It's past the time of being PC here.

I'm not afraid to call her and her supporters out.

She's become slime.

The spin of trying to say this thing is close is ridiculous.

If not for Bill Clinton this thing would be between John Edwards and Barack Obama, and Hillary wouldn't even be in it.

She's a joke.

I'm done with paying homage to the Clintons.

The 90s are over and we're in a huge mess.

I believe in the progressive cause and know that it's the only way we have a chance to right this country.

Peace.

[Khaotic]

62. Duplicate

[Scurrilous]

75. K & R

:thumbsup:

[HuffleClaw]

76. i believe the relevent words here are 'GET OVER IT'

this constant whining is tiresome

[nichomachus]

78. How Hillary could win

First the sky would have to open up and light would have to come down, celestial choirs would have to sing, and everyone will know she won and her campaign would be perfect.

Failing that, her chances are between zero and none.

Even in the most loopy, utopian scenario that a Hillarite could dream up (which involves her cleaning Obama's clock in NC and taking every other race by huge numbers), she would need to convince two-thirds of the uncommitted superdelegates to vote for her.