The Superdelegates are not stupid (they know PA didn't mean anything)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Hillary's slim win in Pa will do nothing to stir any excitement coming her way. With NC next and a big Obama victory.

[C_U_L8R]

1. They're gonna look at Hillary's debt and

say .. oh no you don't

[SunsetDreams]

6. yeah and 10,000,000 she owes to creditors

she won't pay her bills because of her blind ambition.

[C_U_L8R]

10. Those poor donors sending their dollars

down into that money pit... just to service Hillary's debt.
It just makes me chuckle that anyone would want such a bad
manager to be Chief Executive.

[flpoljunkie]

16. NYT Headline: Hillary Defeats Obama in PA: Margin Unlikely to Help Her in Race for Delegates

The 2008 Campaign
Clinton Defeats Obama in Pennsylvania
Margin Unlikely to Help Her in Race for Delegates

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM and JEFF ZELENY 1 minute ago

Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Democratic primary, defeating Barack Obama in a victory that is expected to keep her campaign alive for the next round of contests.

April 23, 2008
Clinton Defeats Obama in Pennsylvania
By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM and JEFF ZELENY

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Pennsylvania Democratic primary on Tuesday night, defeating Senator Barack Obama in a crucial victory that is likely to keep her presidential campaign alive for the next round of contests.

But it was unclear how big a margin she would eventually reach. With about half of the votes counted, Mrs. Clinton led with 54 percent of the vote to 46 percent for Mr. Obama. Many Democrats had said Mrs. Clinton needed to rack up a convincing victory to continue as a plausible candidate for the nomination.

A victory would allow Mrs. Clinton to extend her campaign at least through the next round of contests, in Indiana and North Carolina on May 6. But the primary’s outcome is likely to split Pennsylvania’s 158 delegates between the two candidates, offering little help to Mrs. Clinton as she attempts to surmount Mr. Obama’s lead in the overall delegate count.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/politics/22cnd-campaign.html?hp=&pagewanted=print

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. reading between the lines at the NYT - it's over for her

[flpoljunkie]

29. Read this NYT editorial for tomorrow: The Low Road to Victory

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?hp

April 23, 2008
Editorial
The Low Road to Victory

The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner, more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.

Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.

If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race. It is true that Senator Barack Obama outspent her 2-to-1. But Mrs. Clinton and her advisers should mainly blame themselves, because, as the political operatives say, they went heavily negative and ended up squandering a good part of what was once a 20-point lead.

On the eve of this crucial primary, Mrs. Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11. A Clinton television ad — torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook — evoked the 1929 stock market crash, Pearl Harbor, the Cuban missile crisis, the cold war and the 9/11 attacks, complete with video of Osama bin Laden. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” the narrator intoned.

If that was supposed to bolster Mrs. Clinton’s argument that she is the better prepared to be president in a dangerous world, she sent the opposite message on Tuesday morning by declaring in an interview on ABC News that if Iran attacked Israel while she were president: “We would be able to totally obliterate them.”

more...

[mod mom]

25. but will Bill call up his friends in Saudi Arabia, China and elsewhere they exploit workers

for financial gain and gather up large speaking fees that then lend it to the campaign. :eyes:

[SunsetDreams]

2. I hear you, it changes nothing...she cannot

make the argument that he won't win them in the GE.

[ORDem]

3. One can hope. Most of them seem to have feet of clay. nt

[NJmaverick]

4. The SDs

Know that 1.7% of Hillary's voters are Republicans trying to hurt the party

They know that this election eliminates any possibility for Hillary to even get close to Obama

They know that the Clintons have been very destructive to the party

They know it's time to act

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

9. Here come the superdelegates, here come the superdelegates

Hillary supporters It is time to turn out the lights the parties over.

You fought a hard race, you gave it your all, you can't win.

Sorry

an aging hippie:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :hippie: :hippie: :hippie:
I am sorrybushisfromtexas

[msongs]

5. especially kerry/kennedy who violate the will of Massachusetts voters & endorse another candidate n

[SunsetDreams]

8. it's not about that...it's about the party as a whole

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. ?

[sandnsea]

18. Or Kulongoski in Oregon who endorsed Hillary

Would you give the Kerry/Kennedy thing a rest. There are many supers who are endorsing differently than their district and state right now. They will all go for the winner when the loser concedes.

[Maddy McCall]

7. LOLOL!

Pathetic.

:rofl:

[cali]

11. LOL. we'll see tomorrow

if she only wins by 8, the SDs will continue going to Obama, dear hillbot.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

15. even so, he's going a satisfactory number of delegates from PA

[jillan]

12. Should we send in the wahmbulance??

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. you would say that wouldn't you!

You have to face facts now

[cooolandrew]

17. Well barely dinted his overall lead and he will regain in no time. So we go onwards...

In the end the game is delegates and that's what we've got and we got a lot. FIRED UP.

[ShaneGR]

19. Intelligent people look at everything, and that means everything raises a question

That's just reality.

EDIT: That doesn't mean Hillary shouldn't drop out. But I think everything should be carefully considered.

[TLM]

20. Oh PA meant something....something big....

That hillary couldn't hold on to a double digit lead in her home state...


She went 10 million in the hole, and still lost a 20 point lead.

As the numbers come in it looks like she'll have only a few point lead... less than 8%.


Hillary openly begging for money in her "victory" speech.

LOL!!!

[RB TexLa]

23. Home state?

[TLM]

That's what she says.... that PA was her home...

She claimed her family was from Scranton and she grew up there.

[RB TexLa]

27. oh kay

[Rosa Luxemburg]

38. I thought she needed more than 65% in PA to make an impact?

[RB TexLa]

21. Yes, we know PA didn't mean a thing, just like TX, CA, OH, NY, FL, MI, AR all mean nothing

I'm sure McCain will get either Michigan or Florida as a debate site if Obama is the nominee to point out how he and his supports thinks they "don't mean anything."

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. Obama won TX (FL, MI not in)

[RB TexLa]

26. They are in in November and McCain will be sure to remind FL and MI that Obama thinks they are

nothing.

[TLM]

28. LOL!! Oh McCain will simply point out the truth....

That it was Hillary's co-chair in FLA that was against a re-do.

The facts are clear that Hillary was fine with FL and MI not being counted... in fact she attacked Obama for running a national ad that would be seen in Fl ....

"Clinton's campaign said in a statement today that Obama's new ad is a "clear and blatant violation" of a pledge the Democratic candidates made last year not to campaign in Florida, after the Democratic Party punished the state for moving its primary to a date earlier than was sanctioned. Many Florida homes watch CNN and MSNBC, her campaign noted. "The Obama campaign knows this, but has chosen to violate the pledge regardless," her campaign said."


She only cared about counting the two states when it became clear she was LOSING... before then she was openly saying they wouldn't count.

McCain will certainly use this against her...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. Hillary's co-chair in FLA that was against a re-do

[Zachstar]

31. Bingo!

[RareLubbockDem]

32. My thoughts exactly...

I just said something similar to my wife.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

I wish the media would say something llike this

only the NYT have reported on it so far

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. I wish the media would say something llike this

only the NYT have reported on it so far

[Rosa Luxemburg]

34. I wish the media would say something llike this

only the NYT have reported on it so far

[azmouse]

35. kick

[ORDem]

36. Don't forget IN, too! He'll win that one also. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

37. I think he is just ahead there?

[DemBones DemBones]

39. They know Obama cannot win the GE so why nominate him?

Because Howard Dean and Donna Brazile say so? If they're real Dems, they'll back a real Dem who can win in November, not this rookie with all the links to unethical and even criminal people. Obama's support will dry up once more of those come to light.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. Nonsense

but the more you trash him the more he springs up

[Poll_Blind]

41. What if she just refuses to leave and then goes to the convention and demands VP?

  I can see that...Or refuses to give in and causes the convention to fall apart in hopes that someone other than Obama will be picked and who will pick her as VP.

  ?

PB