If Obama can't close the deal, as some are suggesting, then what does that say about Clinton?

[Unbowed]

I'm sick and tired of hearing that Obama's failure to "close the deal" makes him a less appealing general election candidate than Hillary Clinton. To say that's faulty logic, is a huge understatement.

HE'S BEATING her in popular vote (STILL), delegates and number of states won.

Hillary herself hasn't closed a damn thing. Not in the least of which is her debt. Close the deal? Huh! She can't even pay her bills.

She's hanging on by sheer determination and has kept her dismal campaign afloat by appealing to the lowest common denominator among her narrow base of support. Yeah, play that sexism card, breaking that glass ceiling is worth any price and scare the crap out of the old folks. That's the ticket. Too bad it isn't enough to close the deal for you, Hillary Clinton.

Where exactly are Hillary's deal-closing abilities? I'm not seeing any evidence of them.

She's staving off defeat by pulling off a marginal victory in a state that, literally bursting with Hillary Clinton supporter demographics, should have been a landslide for her. Tonight was more a stay of execution than any real victory.

Hillary is simply not a deal closer. She's a deal breaker.

All she's managed to do is drive a wedge between democrats using fear, prejudice, sexism (this can be used both ways and she's played the gender card to the nth) and anything else she can, repeatedly resorting to lies, distortions and mud-slinging.

If Hillary closes any deal, it's not going to be for herself and it's not going to be for Democrats either; it will be for John McCain and the Republicans.

She's managed to take a year when Democrats couldn't possibly lose and turn that around in a few short months. If John McCain wins in November, we must never, ever forget who closed the deal for him.

[ingac70]

1. Ms. Inevitable.. LOL n/t

[C_U_L8R]

2. Obama has closed the deal 31 times

and now he's just busted the Clinton bank.

It's like Ali in the late rounds... it's thumping time.

[sasquatch]

5. "It's like Ali in the late rounds... it's thumping time."

Whoa, that's a great analogy.

[Unbowed]

6. He's roping the dope?

:)

[C_U_L8R]

13. No more rope a dope... she's spent all her money

Now it's time to finish it.

[lisa58]

3. she's a brand name...

...the fact that Obama has done as well as he has it a testament to him

[Life Long Dem]

4. They would have to think about that one.

[PetraPooh]

7. Nationwide polls still have Obama way ahead of Clinton, it seems quite

ridiculous for PA, or any one state, to suddenly be representative of the entire nation.

[Unbowed]

14. You're right.

PA does not represent the entire nation nor the entire Democratic party. Old Democrats voted for Clinton. I don't mean just in age, but in mind-set. They aren't progressives, those Democrats who voted for Clinton.

[keep_it_real]

8. The question is: could Obama get the white democratic vote in the GE?

[bluethruandthru]

15. Who are the "white democrats" going to vote for? McCain?

We need to start working together as a party to beat McCain. I'm tired of the in-party fighting. If we all don't get our shit together...we're gonna get four more years and I don't think the country can withstand that!

[Unbowed]

17. I really can't see any white Democrat voting for McCain no matter what.

There will probably be a few, but Lieberman isn't really a Democrat anymore. :7

[rocktivity]

9. Don't pay attention to those "somes"

If they really believed in Hillary, they'd realize that she needed 65% of the PA vote in order to close the deal--one tenth of the deal, that is. That's the percentage of the vote she'll need in ALL the remaining contests if she expects the superdelegates to see things her way.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Unbowed]

20. I'm just having a really hard time understanding how anyone could vote for Clinton.

She's just about "come out" as a Republican wearing a donkey pelt. Her comments about the Middle East were insane. How could any Democrat with half-a-mind vote for this person? She's not stable. First the sniper fire, then her "Annie Oakley" gun comments, drinking shots in a bar (Hell, I haven't seen a Presidential candidate ever do that....beer yes, shots no) and now she's virtually promising to be a WAR President just like the one we are finally getting rid of. She needs a long, vacation somewhere with no stress.

It's beyond the pale.

The super delegates need to come out for Obama and end this thing NOW.

[OzarkDem]

10. It says she has a strong base of supporters

who won't back down and who won't have a media chosen candidate foisted on them.

[Unbowed]

21. They are a stubborn bunch, granted. But they are the last of a breed.

And they know it. Hillary's supporters are holdouts from an era that is almost past.

The old vs. the new. It's always a foregone conclusion when the past meets the future.

[madmom]

11. I'll say it again.. Obama can't win without Hillary supporters and vice versa!

[cliffordu]

12. Pat Robertson talking point

Dittohead, next stop!!

[Exultant Democracy]

16. No shit she ran as the incumbent. I guess the closest analogy would be her as Lieberman

and Obama as Lamont. You have to be way out of touch with your base to have to run this hard as the incumbent during a nomination.

[uponit7771]

18. That argument is more than assinine...oh...oh...hears another lie coming about someone

[napi21]

19. It's unfair for any of us to be angry with another candidate's supporters.

We see it every day here on DU. The Dem Party is divided between the two candidates. How many times he we all heard "I had such a hard time deciding"? I honestly think it's going to come down to who has the $$ to continue. They are BOTH great candidates, and both have positives & negatives.

I would suggest we try a strategy that Howard Dean used when he was running. Look at where the remaining primaries are and contact voters in those States and try to sway them to YOUR SIDE. We should be able to get contacts from the campaigns or from the DNC.

Why can't we do something positive to help our candidate win instead throwing rocks & darts at one another????

[Unbowed]

23. I don't agree at all.

The stakes are too high for the future of the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton has forced a showdown. She's done it in order to win an election.

I am of the belief that it does not matter who our candidate is as long as we put forth a good Democrat. ANY GOOD DEMOCRAT.

EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS IN THE PRIMARY WOULD HAVE MADE ME PROUD WERE THEY CHOSEN AS THE NOMINEE UNTIL A FEW SHORT MONTHS AGO.

Sadly, this is no longer the case. Hillary Clinton is no longer a Democrat to me. She has betrayed us. As far as I'm concerned, she's barely a step above McCain. She's no longer an acceptable choice. She eliminated herself.

And it is hard for me to believe any true Democrat would condone her behavior. It disgusts me, frankly. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. I couldn't be more repulsed if there were Democrats out there wanting to nominate Joe Lieberman.

The Democratic Party is currently the only hope we have of salvaging our country and our world. We are doomed if the Republicans win. Hillary Clinton is like the false mother in the tale of King Solomon who would have seen the baby cut in two rather than give it up.

Not with my Party you don't, Hillary Clinton. Real Democrats will not stand for it. Real Democrats will stop you.

[napi21]

25. Then why won't you try to convince the voters who have yet to vote

to vote for Obama? I swear, I had this discussion with several relatives from Pgh., Pa. on Sunday, and ALL OF THEM were still saying "I'm still not sure who I'm going to vote for!" There still are quite a few people out there who are torn between the two candidates. That is no fault of the Dem Party! People still see advantages and disadvantages with both, and EVERYONE I spoke to said their #1 concern was picking the right one to defeat McCain!

[Unbowed]

26. The problem, sad to say, is ignorance of the issues. Thank the media for that.

Most people wouldn't watch c-span if you paid them, but they suck in everything they hear on the news.

I've got a couple of Hillary supporters in my family. They have NO idea how she's voted on specific issues. They have NO idea what things she's supported, some of which would turn them twenty shades of purple if they knew. The are also ignorant of many of the things we discuss here. The problem: they don't want to hear about anything, lest of all issues. If they KNEW what Clinton just said about the Middle East and Iran, they would freak. They don't want to hear it though. They have made up their mind and anything that might go contrary to their mindset, they don't want to hear. It's almost like the little kid who covers their ears and says, "La la la la la" so they don't hear what you are saying.

It's all about FEAR. They support Hillary Clinton, not because they like her, but because Barack Obama is black and they are AFRAID people won't vote for him for that reason. I suspect they are projecting their own prejudices on others, but I'm a bit cynical. They are also afraid of him because he doesn't have as many years in Washington and the idea of change scares the Hell out of them.

Let's face it: some older voters are not going to vote for anything new no matter what.

This goes double for the McCain voters. I had lunch with my boss the other day and he's a Hell of a nice guy. Smart too. I had NO idea he was a Republican. I almost choked when he started saying that everyone should just vote Republican! He's old and his mindset is not going to change. Logic just doesn't enter into politics for some people. It's more about tradition, fear of change and things that have little to do with the real issues that affect our lives.

Not all older Americans are afraid of change, but a good deal of them are.

[Raine]

22. Yup plus it seems that Hillary can't get those

negatives down on her being trustworthy, gee I wonder why.

[Unbowed]

24. Being caught lying on video does tend to diminish one's credibility.

Letting it be known that you are willing to kneecap your opponent doesn't help either.

[LTR]

27. If Hillary can't handle caucuses...

...how can she handle the presidency?

She has only herself to blame if she can't deal with caucuses.