THIS RACE IS GOING TO THE CONVENTION.

[NJSecularist]

Obama had a chance to close it out and put Hillary away, and he didn't. He'll lose a vitally important state by 10 points, after losing another vitally important state by 10 points on March 4th.

Hillary has made a terrific argument for electability. She can, should and will take this to the convention.

[Capn Sunshine]

1. .......

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

Candidate Votes Percent
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)

582,933 52.8%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)

520,256 47.2%

*** 4,484 out of 9,263 Districts (48.41%) Reporting Statewide ***
10:21 EDT


5.6% margin. She started at 22% plus. Like every other state, the longer she campaigns there, the more votes she loses.

If Obama had another two weeks he would have overtaken her.

HOW does this demonstrate electability?
A: It doesn't.

Expect the Turk to come calling.......

[NJSecularist]

6. Hillary is now leading by 8.5, and all of Obama's strongholds have reported.

She'll win by 10 points.

This is going to the convention.

[Joe the Revelator]

You have that backwards chief.....the hillary rural firewalls are all in

the waits are on the college towns.

[AlinPA]

47. Chester County?

[Colobo]

2. May 6th- Obama will win Indiana and NC. She's done. Admit it.

[NJmaverick]

3. I was going to say something, but if this helps you sleep at night

and makes you feel better.... Well good for you

[scheming daemons]

4. A) She'll win by less than 10... B) After May 6, you'll change your view...

..

[Guaranteed]

5. You say that like it's a good thing.

It isn't.


And she can't win. She needed to do much, much better. In fact, she wasn't even close.

[NJSecularist]

18. It's not a good thing, but it will be done out of neccessity.

This party is split 50/50.

Not 60/40 for Obama like some of the Obamites are trying to portray.

[yourout]

7. Do you actually belive what you typed?

[RiverStone]

8. I'm banking no way you will be saying that by mid-May n/t

Look at the popular vote and delegate lead Obama has after May 6.

There is no way the SuperD's will allow it to go to the convention.

[John Q. Citizen]

24. The OP will be saying this after Obama has passed 2025 in May or June. It's their

only "hope."

[JeanGrey]

41. I honestly and truly believe that. Even after he continues to

mount and insurmountable lead, she'll she going "but I'M the better candidate!" Gawd.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. I disagree with the "should" portion of your argument.

She's not going to win the nomination, unless the party wants to eat itself. All she is doing now is playing spoiler. The counter argument is, if she really cares about the democratic party, its time to drop out NOW that her "win" is in the single digits.

[C_U_L8R]

10. He did put her away... she's broke

and it was a genius move.

[cui bono]

11. Delusion is so hard to shake. n/t

[Yael]

12. NO, IT ISN'T. BUT THANKS FOR POSTING

[SoonerPride]

13. HELP MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK!!!!

And just where is she gonna gget the money to keep on keepin' on?

It ends in two weeks.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. I'm sure McCain appreciates your sentiments. But I don't.

[Austinitis]

15. Real questions were raised tonight.

The OP is dead-on.

[Erin Elizabeth]

16. Have you heard of North Carolina?

The amount of delusion is truly amazing.

[NJSecularist]

23. Another red state for Obama?

I'm shocked. Hillary has won the most important swing states with the most electoral votes - Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania - with a total combination of 68 electoral votes.

[JeanGrey]

44. Do you REALLY think those states are going to vote for

McCain against Obama? I mean, really?

[philk17088]

83. Fla????

Florida means nothing and only in her desperation does she keep flogging that dead horse.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. It looks like she'll win by less than 10%. nt

[onehandle]

19. Unless the SDs call the race for one of them.

Could be Obama. Could be Hillary.

[NJSecularist]

I think after this loss, the superdelegates will hold off. n/t

[onehandle]

49. I think so too. 5% or less and maybe they would have. nt

[RBInMaine]

20. Kindly get a CLUE and realize she had HUGE machine and demographics advantages. Try poli-sci 101.

She was ahead in both OH and PA by 20-30 points. If he can cut that more than in half with her huge structural advantages going in, that's damn good campaigning and tells you SHE can't hold all of her base.

[FlyingSquirrel]

21. Today's opposites day?

:shrug:

[crispini]

22. If it does, then we will lose in the fall. Period.

And actually, no it's NOT going to the convention. The supers have been around long enough to know how damaging that is. They will declare in June.

[still_one]

30. I hope you are right that it doesn't go to the convention, because we will lose if it does /nt

[NJSecularist]

38. We will lose if this doesn't go to a convention.

You cannot win the GE without a coalition of low-income, working class whites.

[crispini]

46. What you mean is that we will lose if Hillary is not the nominee.

And you can't win an election without the Obama voters, either.

[NJSecularist]

48. We cant win an election without working class whites, either. n/t

[Bjorn Against]

58. Working class white guy for Obama checking in.

[NJSecularist]

59. And? You are one of a few. n/t

[still_one]

25. This goes to the convention and we lose the white house that I am sure of

Whoever is leading after the primaries are over should be the nominee

If the loser fights it at the convention, that person believes more in their personal ambition, and doesn't give a damn about the country or the party

We shall know in a few weeks just what kind of character we are dealing with

[Eurobabe]

26. Hang on to your britches, those numbers will tighten

CHESter County is still out and the numbers they are using for Philly suburban counties ARE LOW yet.

Stop this sky is falling bullshit.

[DJ13]

27. WRONG

The supers will begin to end it in the next few days.

The DNC gave Hillary one last shot, and she didnt cut it.

[ScarletSniper]

28. Not gonna happen.

[cooolandrew]

29. Awww, bless your dear heart. FIRED UP.

[babylonsister]

31. No it's not. This state was Clinton's to win. Big deal. And BTW,

you are gross imo.

[OzarkDem]

35. and she won it

[JeanGrey]

45. She blew a 20 percent lead in a few weeks.

[babylonsister]

60. Yes, she did. I don't know what 'ignored' said, but I agree.

How can that be positive?

[JeanGrey]

73. They simply believe that no matter what the delegate outcome

the Sd's will simply throw Obama under the bus for her. Isn't going to happen.

[bowens43]

32. nonsense. on may 6th hillary is toast.

she's toast now but she's just too fucking arrogant to admit it. Hillry is unelectable. Winning the pa primary is n ot an 'argument for electability'. every word out of her mouth, every action taken by her and her campaign are arguments against electability.

a five to eight point 'win' is as good as a loss in this contest. her 20+ point lead evaporated into almost nothing. this should never have been close. hillary is a failure.

but keep dreaming

[OzarkDem]

33. Most likely

It should be interesting to watch.

[grantcart]

34. Well she made it to tomorrow so your close. Thursday is still a question mark.

[cliffordu]

36. Sorry if she does. the longer this goes on, the worse for the party.

[CakeGrrl]

37. Obama wiped out over HALF Clinton's polling lead, her negatives are over 50%,

she's already sounding like a loon to foreign nations with her hawk talk, and the SD's have a tough decision to make about electability?

:wtf:

[JeanGrey]

39. Huh? Hillary is away, she just won't admit it. March 4th?

Are you confused about what date it is?

[GoldieAZ49]

40. She will, no doubt about it, SD's here she comes!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[NJSecularist]

43. I expect the superdelegates to level out.

After today's terrible performance by Obama, all of the remaining superdelegates should remain neutral. Let the voters decide.

[Pastiche423]

42. THIS RACE IS GOING TO A BROKERED CONVENTION!

And there ain't no way that Clinton will win in a brokered convention.

YEA!

[JackORoses]

50. Hillary Clinton will not be the Nominee, and she will never be President.

Sorry.

[AZBlue]

52. I'd like to kick and recommend your post, Jack!

[angie_love]

51. Just shut up already will you? God some of you are so fucking annoying

[GoldieAZ49]

53. and yet we tolerate you anyway

:hi:

[angie_love]

54. fuck you very much.

[kevinbgoode]

55. Except she won't be elected. But that was the Republican plan all along.

Thanks for helping.

[Honeycombe8]

56. Too bad. If it goes to the Convention, McCain wins. HRC had her chance to win. She lost. nt

[Fox Mulder]

57. And that's the last thing we need.

[ProSense]

61. No it isn't! But let's play:

If it gets to the convention and Hillary shows up 150 delegates behind, what's her argument: I made it?

She can't win and she's also broke. As she continues her nasty and divisive campaign, they'll soon have to change the logo on the side of her plane to: Contribute $5 at Hillaryclinton.com.




edited extra word

[Hepburn]

62. Don't you get it yet? Hillary lost....

...she had a 20 pt lead. She now is 8.5 pts ahead. PA is a state with tailor made demographics for her...and she LOST ground to Obama, well over half the lead she had.

Sheesh....what does it take? A mountain to fall on you Hillbots to get a clear picture of what a disaster she is? If she is the nominee, get ready to say, "Hello, Prez McCain."

:eyes:

[Occam Bandage]

63. You jumped on the wrong horse. This race effectively ended tonight.

[Zhade]

71. Her narrow win actually makes me happy, because it'll be even sweeter...

...to rub it in their FACE when Obama finally gets the nod, which he will.

[nsd]

64. May 6 is D-Day.

Obama will win NC. If he can win IN too, then this is over. It won't go to June much less to the convention.

[RememberWellstone]

65. Yes it will!

It will now, more than ever.

[Condem]

66. So NJ - you going?

We can throw some punches at each other.

[liskddksil]

67. Say hello to President McCain

Wow Democrats are really good at throwing away good opportunities.

[AllentownJake]

68. Hollow Victory

If it goes to the convention

[Zhade]

69. Keep dreaming, Obama will be the nominee when you wake up.

NT!

[newmajority]

70. CALL THE SUPERDELEGATES RIGHT FUCKING NOW !!!!!111!!!!!!

Seriously, this shit ends in 2 weeks. A lot of the superdelegates have their own campaigns to worry about, and they don't want to be bothered with this shit all the way to August.

[jazzjunkysue]

72. She's broke. Hello! Whos going to pay the bills?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5635017&mesg_id=5635017

[RamboLiberal]

74. And that's f'ing good for the Democratic Party

Get real! If we end up saying President McCain I'm going to feel the same way about Hillary as I do about Lieberman, Zell Miller and Nader!

Right now shehas me to the point I can't stand to see her, Bill, Penn till he got off my TV, Wolfson, whiny Lanny Davis, McAuliffe or any of her other slimey surrogates.

I'm firmly convinced she's doing all this damage for her 2012 Plan B!

[Catherina]

75. Too funny. Last night you "switched" to Clinton and now this

I'm now a Hillary supporter.
NJSecularist Tue Apr-22-08 09:28 PM

:rofl:

I hope you guys can rause a few nickels because she really needs better help.

[redqueen]

77. Good GOD...

the next few weeks ought to be interesting indeed.

:crazy:

[Catherina]

79. It's like a bunch of 4 years olds

You can't let them out of your sight for a minute :hi:

[redqueen]

80. Every time I think it can't get any more ridiculous...

:hi:

[Catherina]

84. Oh Lord!

I took a few people off my ignore list the other day and I'm shocked to see how much more ridiculous it can get :rofl:

[redqueen]

85. Heheheh... well... at least it's amusing!

:D

[mattclearing]

76. Enjoy your stay in Fantasyland. n/t

[cali]

78. Howard Dean says you're wrong. So does Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi

Barney Frank, Jon Corzine and dozens more. Think they know a bit more than you, dear?

[thoughtcrime1984]

81. NO IT WON'T, and thanks for revealing your true candidate, finally

She has made no argument for electability. He is still ahead of her soundly.

[helderheid]

82. Congratulations

Though it was 9 points (as opposed to the 20 she was ahead weeks ago).