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There has to be a unity ticket. |
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Or we're losing this thing.
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1. Only Clinton supporters want it. |
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7. im not remotely a clinton supporter |
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28. Well then... you are politically tone-deaf..... |
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A unity ticket guarantees a McCain presidency.
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72. Actually, you might want to do some analysis |
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86. Facts Mean Nothing To A True Believer |
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91. Dump Both These Battlers and DRAFT EDWARDS! |
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58. I don't. I don't want that liar anywhere near Hillary's ticket. |
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62. Don't worry...Obama won't be running for "vice-Senator" from New York. |
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...because THAT'S Clinton's next "ticket".
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80. You don't want Obama near the one who lied about sniper fire?! |
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Now that is funny. :rofl:
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64. I'm an Obama supporter but I'm starting to agree |
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And it's painful, because I have a candidate I admire and believe in so much but I just have a sinking feeling that this country is just not ready, and that they don't perceive him to be ready. As much as I support Barack, and as much as I had been hoping he would decide to run, sometimes I wish he'd waited, because getting a black man elected would be hard enough without having to deal with the perception that he's too inexperienced. Maybe a Clinton/Obama ticket is a win/win for him...either he becomes VP and gets to run again in 8 years with more experience (and after more people from the Jim Crow era have died off), or he spends 4 more years in the Senate and is basically the presumptive nominee four years from now with 4 more years in the Senate under his belt. I want him to be president more than anything, but deep in my heart I have a sinking feeling that there is no way it will happen this year.
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why would i want my candidate to carry a albatross around her neck?
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5. yep - maybe Obama-Clark. n/t |
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8. I could get behind that |
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98. ...and push it off a cliff. |
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6. I don't think there is enough time to get a constitutional ammendment to allow for 2 VPs |
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9. Obama supporters would rather go down in flames |
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ah, for the idealism of youth...
of course, one man's idealism is another's naiveté - or pigheaded stupidity
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17. Not all that feel that way are young or naive..believe me |
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19. We all will be in flames, once the nukes start flying |
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42. Thanks for calling me young |
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But alas, I am a Forty Nine year old Obama supporter and well educated.
AND I WOULD RATHER DIE THAN VOTE FOR HILLARY
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In my thirties, exceedingly well educated, and really making far too much money to keep voting for a party composed of idiots who make 10% of what I do and yet keep voting for (or, in this case, helping insure the election of) folks that continue to cut my taxes.
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75. You DLC'ers were spining that same broken record against Howard Dean |
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Anyone who would vote for a candidate who is NOT DLC corporatist establishment must be "young" and "naive".
Sorry to spoil your fantasy, but I knew more about politics at 14 then 90% of these Hillbots do now. And in a sickly ironic way, I have the BushClintons to thank for that, since it was Poppy's "October Surprise Iran bait & switch - hostage release delay scam" that woke me up in the first place.
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93. i just love the way people jump to conclusions |
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forced to pick between the two, I'd probably take BHO
The naivite referred to the willingness to go down in flames and leave the country in the hands of the cabal. Pretty much the same idiocy as voting for nader.
The ONLY thing that matters now is a dem victory. NOTHING should be "off the table."
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11. No. Nada. Nyet. No way. Nein. Non |
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She just needs to get her $5 from everyone, pay off her vendors, and go away.
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15. I think you are spot on... the sooner the better n/t |
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16. I don't compromise when it comes to fear and war mongering |
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18. Exactly wrong... a unity ticket guarantees a loss.... |
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48. Go look up 1960 election JFK-LBJ. They hated each other but their bases complemented each other. |
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50. Did either of THEM lie repeatedly about dodging nonexistent sniper fire? |
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NT!
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60. LBJ helped JFK by delivering Texas... what would Hillary bring to Obama? |
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20. Not with Hillary on it. Obama doesn't need the dead weight ala' Lieberman 2000. nt |
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22. I want him to win......so NO Hillary on the ticket. |
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23. Clinton destroyed any chance of that and any chance of my voting for that. |
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If she is on the ticket, don't count on my vote.
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44. I was officially invited to leave the Democratic Party tonight |
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If, as they say, both she and Bill see the party as THEIR party, and if they expect everybody from Rendell on down (to use a timely reference) to do THEIR bidding, then that tells me I'm no longer welcome.
If she is going to mock the concept of a hopeful electorate, as well as the very real possibility of ideological change, then that just guarantees "new boss, same as the old boss."
If this is some big payback for unfinished business from the Clinton years, then fuck this. I'm done.
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88. What is sad is that before all of this, I supported both of them loyally, when push came to shove. |
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But she has utterly destroyed herself with what she has done these last six weeks.
Never again.
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24. With that user name, we should listen to you? |
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25. Unifying with Richardson? I am all for that |
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She is toxic and dead weight.
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26. Someone asked Obama supporters how they felt about Clinton being on the ticket.... |
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31. it's not about "wanting" them both |
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or desperately trying to get her a piece of the action
I don't like either one of them very much. I just don't want to see my country handed over lock, stock, and barrel to the cabal that already has it by the throat. I don't care if it's a beagle and a collie, we need to fricking win. If the dem voters are at an impasse, then we need to get them all under the tent somehow.
People need to get over their "American Idol" mentality and make whatever deal they must with whatever devil they must to put this thing away.
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34. The vehemence of the responses adequately addresses your specious quibble over verbiage. |
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39. not quibbling over verbiage |
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just saying we have a really big chance of watching the mccain sock puppet roll over Obama.
face it - these two are both fighters. put them on the same team and maybe our country is not doomed.
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27. People calling for a unity ticket, have no sense of what is needed in the GE...politically tone-deaf |
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Hillary brings NOTHING to his ticket.
Obama brings a LITTLE to her ticket.
In either case, they would BOTH be better off with someone else.
If you're calling for a unity ticket, in either direction, then you are politically ignorant and unable to read the electorate.
A unity ticket is a sure loser.
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30. She brings women, seniors, blue collars (apparently). |
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There's no point in addressing what he bings as VP, because he is going to be the nominee (eventually).
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36. seniors, women, and blue collars will vote Dem (mostly) no matter what..... |
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38. not according to the polls |
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over half of Hillary's voters WILL NOT vote for Obama. I trust that data more than your 'gut.'
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61. That data is false..... Ed Rendell agrees with me.... |
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People who keep pounding on this dead horse don't have a clue about the number of factors that must be considered by the nominee and their advisers in selecting the best match for a VP. It is not about offering anyone a consolation prize.
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33. and you're an obnoxious boor |
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but thanks for your opinion
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37. Call me all the names you want.... I'm right |
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29. No way. This Obama supporter will never vote for a Clinton. Ever. |
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I don't care who else is on the ticket.
I will be voting for McCain or Obama. My choice is made. I will NEVER vote for someone as stupid and politically conniving as the Clintons...who voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act...and has a sham of a healthcare plan that by law forces the entire American populice to purchase her contributors' product (insurance). That is SO obvious, I find it hard to believe that anyone has actually fallen for that sham of a plan.
But apparently about 80,000 in PA fell for it. They probably weren't paying attention.
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46. So if it was Obama/Clinton you would vote for McCain? Really? |
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85. Yes. I made a decision previously NOT to vote for Clinton. Why would anyone think... |
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that I'd change my mind if she put Obama on the ticket? That would be meaningless to me. For one thing, Bill Clinton will be the effective V.P.
Clinton cannot win in November. She is hoping that if she doesn't get the nomination, that McCain wins so that she can run again in 2012.
That is a kind of person I cannot vote for in good conscience. If the choice is between two people who are responsible for the state of the country right now (McCain and Clinton), I decided a while back that I would vote for McCain. There isn't much difference, policy-wise. But at least he has SOME integrity. I view her as untrustworthy, unethical, conniving, unbelievable, someone who votes for political reasons rather than what she knows is best for the country (hence, the Iraq War vote, the Patriot Act vote, the Republican Iran Resolution vote, etc.). At least McCain seems to genuinely care about the country.
But it is obvious that Obama has greatness just oozing from his body. He has been handed to the country like a gift. If the country (which after all voted for Bush in 2004) is so foolish as not to put him on the ticket as the nominee, then I will go for McCain. I believe many others will do the same. I think Hillary supporters have forgotten that half the country just cannot stand the Clintons. They will run, not walk, to the polls to vote against her, no matter who her opponent is.
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53. I think every state requires auto insurance, why not med ins. n/t |
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40. Oh noes, we'd be giving up the self-righteous wanker vote |
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41. Agreed, assuming it means the primaries come to an end. If Hillary agrees |
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to concede with the proviso that she gets the VP spot, I agree. They're just tearing each other apart right now, and only McCain is benefitting. They're needs to be a way to stop this.
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43. Agreed. Obama and Clinton each bring a key part of the Dem base with them to the general election |
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They go together like peanut butter and jelly.
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45. Don't fall for that deception. |
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You cannot base your estimation of a General Election on Primary results. They do not correlate.
Obama will win in November. Don't worry.
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47. Of course you're correct |
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and people are going to have put aside their venomous dislike of either candidate and get over it.
As of tonight, it's the only way we win the White House.
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49. Sure. As long as clinton's not on it. Her status as a proven liar would work against us. |
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All McLame would have to do would be to show the Tuzla video - and he'd be right to call her a liar afterward.
I don't relish that situation.
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No Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton!
Hillary wants to nuke the Middle East. There is no place for her in the Democratic Party, or in the human race.
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52. I posted poll results showing that blue collar workers (Reagan Dems) like McCain better than Obama |
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and the Obama supporters still will not listen. The Dems have had a problem courting blue collars voters for a couple of decades. Unless John Edwards will agree to be Obama's running mate he has no one else to draw those same voters. And Edwards has already said he will not be a VP.
Obama is going to end up like McGovern, scrounging for a VP, stuck with some Shriver that does him no good at all. Or worse, he will pick an Eagleton with some ghastly skeleton in his closet that the GOP will uncover will glea.
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55. Reagan Dems are Republicans |
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or have you forgotten why they left?
Should I mention Roe v Wade?
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54. I'll vote for that ticket either way |
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59. It's not going to happen |
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there is so much animosity between them now, I don't think it could be put together. What is more likely to happen (and I'd support this) is Obama picking Clarke, who happens to be a Clinton supporter. The only problem with that is we then have a wide open presidential race 8 years from now assuming Obama is elected and re-elected (which are two big assumptions) with no vice-president that is able to run. Even looking down the road at that factor, I'd still support Clarke as VP.
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63. I'll buy Hillary a one-way ticket to Scranton |
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She's a Scranton girl, y'know :)
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65. She doesn't deserve to be dogcatcher of Bumfuck Arkansas (sorry if I offended anyone from Arkansas!! |
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Her campaign so far has been ripped straight out of Karl Rove's playbook. Screw her!!
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I sacrificed enough of my principles to support Obama. I disagree with him on many issues but it was still doable. I won't be voting for a DLC warhawk who talks about obliterating other countries as easily as she changes her pantsuit.
I still think Obama will get the nomination because the party can't afford to alienate new generation of voters or all the disgusted Independents who won't have anything to do with President Hillary and Shadow President Bill. If the party lets her overturn the people's will, it may very well lose this thing for her hubris. You won't be able to blame the voters either, not if this is a democracy.
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68. If Hillary wins she'l almost have to choose Obama, not sure if she'd want it if he wins. |
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69. 28 years of BushClinton trickle down corporatist reverse robin hood middle class destroying bullshit |
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No Hillary on the ticket, period.
No more Bush. No more Clinton.
Not now. Not ever.
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70. Nice test bubble but I'm not feeling it. NO unity ticket please. |
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We need a clear WINNER and a clear LOSER. Loser exits the stage.
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71. Obama/Hillary of vis versa would get crushed in the general. |
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You bring out the racists AND the people that hate Hillary.
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74. If Hillary is VP, Obama better have great life insurance for Michelle's sake |
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78. Kathleen Sebelius can replace Hillary as the white woman VP |
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79. A unity ticket is poison at the ballot box. |
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A unity ticket will bring out every single rabid Clinton hater out to vote. A unity ticket would lose, badly.
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Wed Apr-23-08 05:40 AM
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81. No unity ticket between those two, I'll go for another woman but not that one |
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Wed Apr-23-08 05:45 AM
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You don't have to do this.
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Wed Apr-23-08 06:14 AM
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83. OK, but she has trashed him so much that it would be hard to take. |
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Wed Apr-23-08 06:52 AM
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84. Call it like it is: a suicide pact |
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Either candidate is a hard sell, both together is a unmitigated disaster.
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Wed Apr-23-08 07:18 AM
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87. I have thought that since before super tuesday |
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both candidates have strong and distinct constituencies.
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Wed Apr-23-08 08:44 AM
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89. won't vote for a ticket with Obama on it. nt. |
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Wed Apr-23-08 09:21 AM
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94. After the shit she's been spewing about him? |
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Are you frickin kidding me?
How on earth do you think that's possible?
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Wed Apr-23-08 09:22 AM
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95. Clinton on the ticket? I LEAVE THE PARTY FOREVER. |
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Wed Apr-23-08 12:27 PM
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Wed Apr-23-08 09:35 AM
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96. Clinton as VP would be LBJ all over again. |
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:12 AM
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97. No way - not at this point after she has become |
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:15 AM
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I would be ok with a joint ticket as long as the Clinton's aren't in control. It may be a good dynamic for them and Clinton would be a powerful surrogate for Obama if she can put aside her own ambitions.
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Wed Apr-23-08 10:27 AM
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100. It is beginning to look like the only way to keep the party together |
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and from what the talking heads have been saying the longer it goes on the more the party leaders will demand it.
However it seems there is more personal hostility between the candidates, it seems unlikely.
I doubt they would agree on who would take the top slot in the ticket.
Pelosi saw this and commented on it over a month ago.
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Wed Apr-23-08 12:38 PM
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102. Yep, despite everything is a reality. |
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