Let's see if Obama can look away from the teleprompters

[Tactical Progressive]

for one single second.

.
.
.

No! He can't.


Jobs went away in the 1990's?
Is rewriting history a good campaign tactic?
Well, I'm sure the mainstream media is fine with it as long as it's rewritten against the Clintons.
They'll pretend not to notice.

But for tha rest of us, nobody brought more jobs to this country than Bill Clinton.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. What sort of jobs did he bring, exactly?

[Skittles]

5. all kinds

don't sound like an idiot freeper

[TLM]

10. From wal mart greeter to mcdonald's burger flipper....

Lots of minimum wage jobs to replace the good middle class factory jobs that NAFTA sent out of the country.

[Spiffarino]

45. Poverty is good for the soul

Unless you were born into the American Oligarchy. In that case, tax cuts on your fat dividend checks are much, much better.

[Kurovski]

54. And if you're not born into it,

political whoring is a good way to go to get a leg up.

[Harry Monroe]

39. McJobs at shitty wages!!

[Spiffarino]

44. How can you say that??

McD's, Wally-World, and all the big-box and fast food giants are great places to work your ass off and grow poor!

[angie_love]

2. i wish you'd go away

[aquart]

27. Does dissension disturb your perfect peace of Obama mind?

Too damn bad.

[Spiffarino]

46. Dissension is good

Insipid personal attacks, not so much.

[Skittles]

3. he can speak without a teleprompter

I've seen his impromptu stuff and he's pretty good (cannot comment on what you speak of, did not see it)

[trueblue2007]

16. You didn't see him do that tonight. The teleprompter is Obama's best friend

HILLARY WINS THE BIG STATES

TRADITIONAL BLUE COLLAR.

OBAMA ISN'T READY....Tim Russert just said so!!

[Skittles]

23. do not confuse me with an Obama supporter

I am not any kind of bot - I just call it like I see it - the teleprompter is GWB's best friend - for Obama and HRC it is simply a speech aid

[donheld]

52. Maybe you're a notbot

:D

[NightWatcher]

4. and nobody shipped more overseas (NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT...)

[SoonerPride]

6. Stll sad that Hillary is losing to him? It's ok, you can be bitter.

But Obama is the nominee whether you like it or not.

[Webster Green]

7. Oh yeah, NAFTA brought a lot of jobs to this country..

Greetings to you folks in opposite world!:hi:

[scheming daemons]

8. Um.... he hasn't looked down yet.....

[Tactical Progressive]

13. Uhhhh

I don't know what to say.

[godai]

9. Shouldn't you be happy tonight? Or, do you realize, it's over.

Surprised that you find time to put down Obama, for the great speech he is delivering. Do you hear the crowd response?

[Tactical Progressive]

12. Uh-huh.

So then I came here and the top-spot thread is

"No f'ing way I will EVER VOTE for Hillary in a general election. PERIOD."

along with similarly gracious threads.

[JasonHill]

14. If all your friends jumped off the brooklyn bridge...

seriously, just because you view some people to behave in an immature way doesn't validate you acting the same way. If you dislike some threads or posts, reply to them by rationally pointing out where there fault lies in your view. All this nonsense does is foster animosty between the two camps.

[Tactical Progressive]

22. You're probably right about that

It's just that Hillary has a great clutch win, gives a great speech, then I have to sit and listen to Keith Olbermann and the entire MSNBC Hillary-Hater Brigade brainstorm over whatever inane way they can spin it ugly against Hillary, and I jump over to DU - I almost didn't because of what I knew I would find - and sure enough...

[JasonHill]

33. i hear ya

I support Obama but i think i can understand the difficulty being a supporter of Hillary and posting on the internet where Obama has a bigger and more vocal base. I make comments all the time on the internet that i've later come to regret because i was angry but the thing is though that by doing the "try to be super rational almost Vulcan-like" tactic it helps me detach from the emotion of my prejudices so i can be more calm discussing these sorts of things. Plus it lets me fake being smarter than i actually am :)

[scheming daemons]

24. If all his friends jumped off the brooklyn bridge, nobody would have died.....

...he has no friends.

[high density]

11. Oh so we're back to that Hillary Clinton = Bill Clinton argument

Sorry, that lead balloon went down back in January.

[Tactical Progressive]

17. Well, Obama brought it up

as obviously falacious as it was.

Guess he thought he'd get a diss in there against Bill, and all Democrat's efforts in the 1990's.


Hopefully Hillary will make note of his false 1990's jobs smear against her husband.

[SoonerPride]

15. I can't vote for Bill Clinton.

Hillary ain't Bill, sorry.

[dancingme]

18. sore winner

another sore winner. Sad.

[EFerrari]

19. If he was IN the teleprompter, he's still be more genuine than the Iran Obliterater. nt

[GetTheRightVote]

20. sour grapes again, man I am getting sick of eat them, I am going

back to the Obama supportors whom are on the ball and mainly always making correct statements.

[durrrty libby]

21. "Let's see if Obama can look away from the teleprompters"

It is pathetic. That's why he sucks in debates. He can not think on his feet at all


He is a fraud and phony through and through

[QC]

25. Maybe he can borrow Bush's earpiece. n/t

[LibraLiz1973]

26. The CONSTANT Bill Clinton smears are a large reason I will not vote for BO

He and his shills are ridiculous

[Starbucks Anarchist]

32. You mean if he's the nominee?

[LibraLiz1973]

35. Yes. I straight up will NEVER vote for someone

who shows such disregard for a President who did a lot of good.
Before BO started his horse shit nonsense, Clinton was looked on favorably here.
Now he is a Pariah. History has been rewritten on DU and dems who I thought were the real thing
are now spouting republican sounding bullshit that makes me sick. All of this is coming from Obama and his
campaign- the campaign that is ripping this party apart.

I am an American and I have a right to vote for who I want. I also have the right
not to vote for someone I think is a disgrace to my party.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

37. He's campaigning for his wife, so he's fair game.

And if you don't vote for Obama if he's the nominee, you don't get to complain about him or McCain as president.

Apparently, Bill's reputation is more important to you than the Supreme Court, health care, Iraq and the economy.

[LibraLiz1973]

40. No, but integrity is

I think a lot of DUers have become the very thing we all used to rally against: republican-like bullies.

If Obama is such a great candidate, me sitting it out should not matter. There should be PLENTY of other votes for him.

Oh, wait!! I forgot!! His surrogates have completely alienated all Clinton supporters.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. I'm not worried about your missing vote.

I'm just laughing at your priorities.

[LibraLiz1973]

42. As am I at yours

Like most BO supporters here, you thrive on being petty and obnoxious.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. No, I'm being realistic.

I'm voting for the probable nominee -- the one who has virtually the same platform as Hillary does -- because we can't afford to have McCain in the White House.

[LibraLiz1973]

47. The fact that their platforms are very similar should equal a fair amount of unity

within our party... yet, that is not the case.
This whole election process thus far has done more damage
than most people seem to realize. It's attack attack attack.
On DU all I have seen is one bully post after another
from the BO supporters attacking first
the Edwards supporters and then the Clinton supporters.
It is APPALLING what they have been allowed to get away with here.

There are people (like myself) who feel totally exhausted
and disheartened with the whole thing, and I think those feelings are on both sides.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

48. Bullshit.

Many Hillary posters have crossed the line, too. *Nobody* is innocent here, no matter the candidate.

[LibraLiz1973]

53. I agree with you on that

I just see that the Obama supporters are MUCH louder
and ready to get in your face at the drop of a hat.
It isn't pretty

[Kurovski]

56. The New York Times has just referred to the Clinton campaign as "Rovian"

Please spare me the delusions about how Obama supporters are like right-wingers we "used to" fight here at DU. That one has gone stale.

Being an asshole doesn't translate to "right-wing". Everyone's an asshole at some point. you can find evidence of that in any number of our posts here in GDP, here in this thread and in almost every thread.

Very few people who spend even a fair amount of time here leave this forum without being an asshole at least once.

Have you been paying close attention over your years here at DU?

There is not one iota of "integrity" in this statement you made: " Oh, wait!! I forgot!! His surrogates have completely alienated all Clinton supporters."

"Completely", "all"?

If you do not vote, you have no right whatsoever to be here complaining on DU in the future, despite your bit of nastiness about Obama "not needing" your vote.

Voting is a serious matter. Or do you disagree with that?

[Straight Shooter]

57. There were some excellent rebuttals to the NYT's rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth.

Ann Coulter is probably spewing spittle all over her monitor with laughter that the NYT is also driving a wedge into the Democratic party.

There's nothing quite like adding more sh*t to the pot before you stir it.

[Kurovski]

58. Many DUers didn't need the NYT to tell us that Clinton's campaign is Rovian.

"There's nothing quite like adding more sh*t to the pot before you stir it."

Is that why you--apropos of nothing--dumped that turd Coulter into this stew?

A hallmark of the Rove technique is to attack first and accuse your opponent of doing that which you yourself are doing.

[Straight Shooter]

59. The Rovian technique is to take a person's strength and use it against him.

I have yet to see Hillary take whatever Obama's strength is and use it against him. It's just politics as usual.

And if you don't understand the reference to Ann Coulter, do a little Google search on her and the New York Times. Then you'll know why she's laughing.

[Kurovski]

60. I don't think Coulter pays any attention to us. Yes, she wanted the NYT blown up

I remember the snark. I'm here at DU almost every damn day. :-)

Clinton took Obama's concern for the struggling and ignored working class and tried to twist it to her advantage. It was very ugly, and I think that fits your definition.

Straight Shooter, we disagree on some big things here, and it pains me to no end because I have so much respect for you. Please Pardon my snappish response. I don't want to go any further with this.

I intend to maintain my high regard for you, we just have some big differences here.

[Straight Shooter]

61. I don't think she pays attention to us either.

I do think she reads the NYT editorials, though, and gets a kick out of seeing a Democrat, uh, kicked.

Obama also took Edwards concern for the struggling and mocked Edwards for it. That was ugly. He laughed about Edwards feeling their pain. I wish I had the quotes, but you know what I'm referring to.

I didn't see your response as snappish at all. And the respect is mutual.

Gotta turn off the lights now. Good night.

:hi:

[Kurovski]

62. Good night.

:hi: To be honest, they're all crap bags...just like us! Did I say us? I meant me, me is what I meant! :D

[Straight Shooter]

63. They're all crap bags!

Hahahahaha! No, not us, never us. Or you, especially, not with that Dean avatar. Huh-uh, no way.

:hi:

[Beregond2]

28. You're

damn right jobs went away in the nineties, unless you wanted a low-paying service-sector job, or were part of the dot-com bubble.

[SunsetDreams]

29. WHY DON"T YOU quote him right?

He said jobs went away over seas, which is factually correct!!!

[TLM]

30. Hillary doesn't need teleprompters....

because she's usually just making shit up.

[Spiffarino]

38. You don't need a teleprompter

...if you and Harold Ickes have sat up all night reciting the next day's attack. It becomes second nature.

[wisteria]

31. And, he also brought a lot of baggage and an economy that crashed when he was on his way out.

Oh, and lets not forget the soap operas, the shady deals the questionable fund raising and the classlessness of the Clinton's. They brought our party down to a level of defeat and did long lasting damage to it. I will not continue in the party if the likes of the Clinton's and the Rendell's control it.

[Spiffarino]

34. Even if Bill wasn't the worst offender

He still followed Republican economic theory and enacted trade rules that have ultimately helped Republicans destroy the American middle class. Bill Clinton also benefited greatly from the tech boom that started in the U.S.

I work in the tech industry, and I watched as most of the great jobs from the 90s disappeared by 2000 and got farmed out to cheap labor markets. Fact is, firms that specialize in outsourcing American jobs were growing BEFORE the Shrub ever started running for his selection.

Bill wasn't as bad as any of the Repubs, but so what? He was no FDR. Not even close.

[JimGinPA]

36. I Saw Obama Speak Twice In The Last Three Weeks - He Didn't Use A Teleprompter Either Time...

But then, do you really want to debate the public speaking abilities of Hillary in comparison to Obama?

[DemBones DemBones]

49. Anybody who doesn't think we were in better shape with Clinton was prez

is either awfully young or has an awfully bad memory. Maybe it's too much :smoke: or too much :beer:

BTW, HRC got $500,000 in donations in the first hour after the polls closed! Has now raised over $2.5 million!!!

[JeffR]

50. Glad you're enjoying Senator Clinton's victory so magnanimously

Really heartening to see. Thanks for sharing with us all how magnanimous you are.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

51. And your candidate, Queen Hillary I of Neoconia, looked down at her notes the whole time

Still bored the fuck out of everyone watching.

[Awsi Dooger]

55. It's incredible that the victor always gives the best speech

It's been uncanny this primary season. Virtually undefeated. I know I can't identify an example that went the other way.

Tonight I thought Obama made a sharp move, departing Pennsylvania early and basing in Indiana for the speech. That should have allowed a less deflated crowd, and given Obama reason to start something, not end it, and with spark.

But I agree with Pat Buchanon that Obama looked tired tonight. Instead of the gleam in his eyes of a month of so ago, he seemed stern and almost irritated. I think that's residue of Alan Keyes in your background, and not much else. He knows damn well he's got the mathematical edge, but right now I would compare him to a tennis player who manages one match point after another, but can't put any of them away. That's frustration defined.

Also, the stump speech is overly familiar, the same thing with only minor tweaks. How many times do we need to be told it's "One America?" He needs to weave specifics in there, as Bill Clinton did so effectively.

That's still the most startling aspect of this cycle to me, comparing Bill Clinton speeches from '92 on my old VHS tapes, to Obama today. Not a fair fight.