Why can't Hillary connect with Black voters?

[ej510]

She's only getting 8% of the black vote and we know that she cannot win the general only getting 8% of the black vote she needs at least 90%.

[anonymous171]

1. I know. Why can't she connect?

[BayouBengal07]

2. Because she's running against a black guy?

If she were running against McCain I bet she'd pick up more than 8% of the black vote...

[LisaL]

7. Bingo.

[ej510]

8. I bet you have never listened to any of the national black radio stations.

[DemBones DemBones]

94. I have. What's your point? nt

[TahitiNut]

12. She had the majority of black support at the beginning - and that "black guy" was running against

... here then, too. Go figure. :shrug:

[ej510]

13. I believe that the democratic party takes black voters for granted.

[TahitiNut]

20. Well, the DLCers sure do. It's appalling.

It's a big difference from the post-FDR "New Deal Democrat" days, for sure. BOTH parties are fucking over the working class.

[ej510]

22. Even the democrats on this board. Treat blacks as if we were cattle.

[malletgirl02]

24. Unfortunately you are right

There are responses from people like that on this very thread. I can't

[pnwmom]

52. And since then they've gotten to know him better. But they know McCain, too.

If HRC is the nominee, they'll be backing her.

[TahitiNut]

59. I wouldn't be so sure of that.

If, at this point, she manages to convince/coerce enough PLEO's to vote contrary to the pledged delegate majority and 'flip' the nomination for herself, well ... I wouldn't make book on the November turnout in Detroit (for example) and that's for damned sure. In fact, if that happens, she couldn't BUY my vote.

[TTUBatfan2008]

80. Dis-enfranchisement...

will also happen among Barack's youth voters, including me. I have never liked Hillary Clinton and would never have voted for her regardless of this campaign. I do like Bill Clinton, but I've never, ever trusted Hillary. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I'm Independent, but voted for Kerry and cannot stand the Republicans although ideologically I am fairly moderate. It's their political tactics that anger me and I do not know if I will ever vote for a Republican. But I cannot align myself with the Dems and I refuse to align myself with the likes of the Greens either. Anyway, if she manages to steal the nomination, I think quite a few younger voters will not come out in November. There's a good chance they won't come out regardless I suppose, but I do think that she has some major fence-mending to do with Barack's two strongest constituencies, two areas that the Dems cannot afford to have sit home in November.

[aquart]

81. And then he played the race card with such awesome deftness...

Go figure.

You might also figure in the date when I will forget or forgive it, too.

[TahitiNut]

88. Do you mean May 2007 when Hillary's butt-kisser Stephanopoulus asked Obama ...

... whether he attributes his 'style' to his race??? It takes a pretty fevered brain to try to blame a black man for racism. How horrible! He plays the "race card" by showing up without his white-face make-up, huh?

[Raineyb]

110. I am sick and tired of the "race card"

First of all prejudice and bigotry are not a game. We're not playing spades or bridge. Real life and death issues from how one receives health care to whether or not one gets the death penalty is connected to the color of one's skin. To dismiss charges of racial insensitivity to outright bigotry as merely "playing the race card" is insulting and demeaning. Black people are not using racism as some kind of trump card when all else fails. Most black people don't want to even mention racism because of the asinine accusation of "playing the race card." That being said, if Senator Clinton thinks she can dismiss the black community and then turn around and try to get votes from the community without earning those votes she is sadly mistaken as she ought to be learning by now.

If some back room deal goes on to give Senator Clinton the nomination there are plenty of black people who will not vote for her and if she can't secure a consistent voting bloc in the party for the GE she can't win.

Regards

[DemBones DemBones]

86. That was before the blacks supporting Obama started threatening the blacks

supporting Clinton, or at least scorning them, calling them Uncle Toms and such. It's happened to a lot of blacks, including Rep. John Lewis, a superdelegate who had pledged to Clinton and was intimidated into switching to Obama, and Tavis Smiley. It's also happened, and continues to happen, to blacks who are not well-known, and they are not happy about it.

As a woman, I would be unhappy if other women told me I had to support Clinton. I'm supporting her because she can beat McCain and is as prepared to be president as anyone can be. She's been working toward this for years, actually preparing, while Obama has just skated, never won an election against a serious opponent. The one time he had a real opponent, he lost. I do not believe he can beat McCain nor do I think he'd be a good president. He has a lot more growing up to do and he ought to do some serious work in the Senate for a change.

It will hurt blacks if Obama somehow wins because the first black president, like the first woman president, will be held to a higher standard than a white man and Obama will not be up to the challenge.

[ej510]

91. Guess what this is politics. If you choose to align yourself with the enemy you will get voted out

of office. Now I do not agree with the uncle tom comments although we have plaenty of those in the republican party.

[DemBones DemBones]

96. Who is the enemy?

[jackson_dem]

32. Only two candidates have ever gotten 80-91% support from a racial group during primaries

(in each state with no deviation) One is Barack Obama. The other? Jesse Jackson. You reach your own conclusion. For all the hype about racism keeping Obama down with whites and Latinos he has still managed to win the white and Latino vote in a handful of states and get about 43-44% of the non-black vote heading into Pennsylvania. That is probably more like 40% now. Compare that to 10-15%--nationally and in 42 states (In NY she got 37%).

[ej510]

36. If Hillary does not get the black vote she will not carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Michigan.

Or Florida.

[jackson_dem]

44. She will just like Dukakis did when he went up against a white candidate in the GE

Dukakis got almost no black support because it all went to Jackson in the primaries, just as Clinton isn't against Obama. In the general he won 9 out of 10.

[ej510]

46. You don't listen to national black radio do you?

[redstate_democrat]

97. Wow. This is TOTALLY different than then.

Obama is LEADING and is a viable candidate. Nothing like this has ever happened. You need to talk to more black people. Seriously. Go on the black websites and just READ the hostility towards Hillary's campaign. About 90% of these people say there is no way in hell she gets her vote.

[redstate_democrat]

95. So what does that tell you about Novemeber if she manages to

steal this away from Obama?

It spells disaster. BIG TIME.

[DerekJ]

38. I bet when Obama starts running against McCain, he will win a lot more than 40 or 45% of white women

[jackson_dem]

42. Kerry won 41% of the white vote. Do you think Obama can do better?

He has gotten 60%, 34%, 44%, 37%, 21%, and 38% of the white vote in every state since the MSM began vetting him a bit. We don't have exit poll data for WY but he won it there as well. That is an average of 39%. The thing is the two states he won it in are very small. If you add all of the votes cast since 2/19 up he probably has something like 30-33%.

[DerekJ]

61. And Kerry won Ohio, Florida, and PA in the primaries, and still lost 2 of them in the GE.

What does that tell you?

It’s the same fucked up logic you’re running with all the time.
If her black vote support is not a fucking indicative of how the black support will go in the GE.

SAME GOES FOR THE WHITE VOTE.

END OF STORY.

[MattBaggins]

84. Yes I do believe that Obama will do better

than Kerry with the white vote.

[pnwmom]

55. I agree. n/t

[pnwmom]

56. I agree. n/t

[LisaL]

3. I think it has a lot more to do with Obama being in the race,

than with Hillary not being able to connect with black voters.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Figure that obama has nothing to do with it?

[Secret_Society]

5. I believe in the GE that HRC will do fine with black voters...

Just as it is silly to say that Obama can't win Massachusetts or New York, I believe it is silly to say that HRC will not receive black support just because they identify with Obama in the primary

[EFerrari]

18. No. She won't get the black vote because of the way her campaign

has behaved. Black voters will stay home in droves. It's not silly. It's silly to believe you can treat people like that and they will just get over it and vote for you.

[Secret_Society]

21. You raise an interesting point

I do believe some blacks will stay home. What I fear more, however, is that many Clinton supporters will not stay home but will go out and vote for McCain instead.

[Beacool]

27. Yes, more Hillary supporters would rather vote for McCain than Obama.

Many more than if the reverse were to happen. Less of Obama's supporters would vote for McCain or stay home. I heard enough people in PA and NJ say the same thing to not believe it to be true.

[aquart]

82. Ugh. Sorry, that just isn't right.

Although I completely sympathize with how they feel, I have to believe it's just momentary disgust at the sheer nastiness of his followers...and Obama's own snide qualities, of course.

[EFerrari]

49. It won't matter. The country is so sick of Republicans

that those few grudge votes won't even matter.

[rwheeler31]

6. We know

[ej510]

9. Actually alot black voters do not like Hillary or Bill anymore.

Because of there campaign style. It's not just because he's black. White canidates have beaten black canidates in african american cities and districts so that is complete bs.

[ej510]

11. And we watch the media say things like Obama cannot win the white vote and

all alot of us see is that alot of whites will not support him because he is black. Black people feel like our country still hates us even though we love it.

[Phillycat]

10. OMG, okay, funniest thread of the day. That's my cue - time for bed.

:rofl:

BECAUSE SHE'S RUNNING AGAINST A BLACK CANDIDATE, MAYBE?? Jesus Christ! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. Right, because Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Carol Moseley-Braun got 90% of the black vote too.

Oh, wait...they didn't.

[Phillycat]

16. Oh good, more deliberate obtuseness! Did you want to add that she wants

to nuke Iran, too?

Did I have to actually post "viable black candidate" because I'm surrounded by idiots here, or can it be understood, because we're not all morons, that no candidate polling at less than 10% nationally is going to get significant vote counts? Lord in heaven.

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. You could try being honest enough to admit...

that perceptions of race-baiting from the Clinton campaign among the black community probably have something to do with it. (Talking of deliberate obtuseness...)

[jackson_dem]

37. Jackson did

Only two candidates have consistently gotten 80-91% support from a racial group during the primaries, Jackson and Obama. Dukakis didn't get 82% of the white vote, Carter didn't get 85% of the Latino vote, etc. Whenever there is a candidate who has a serious shot at being "the first" he receives this level of support from "his group". Romney also enjoyed 90% support from "his group", JFK won 80% of Catholics and Smith also won Catholics big. When there is a viable Latino, Jewish, Muslim, or GLBT prez candidate the same process will occur. To deny it, though, is naive and suggests that a candidate has some weird hang up about the obvious being recognized.

[gort6]

15. Why can't Obama connect with White voters and Latinos?

Winning only the rich hipster college whites.

[ej510]

19. Why can't Hillary win college voters, black, and affluent voters.

[jackson_dem]

28. Which blocs are larger? Do the math and Obama is weaker

[ej510]

33. Yet Obama is winning. What does that say about Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

34. He benefits from Dem primary demographics not being the GE demographics

Under GE demographics he would be down at least 15% instead of up 0.8%...Do you think supers don't know this?

[RememberWellstone]

23. Because she is not?

Just a guess.

[ej510]

One reason I bring this up because I am sick of the Obama can't win

blue collar workers. Guess what the shit works both ways.

[Occam Bandage]

25. But she led among black voters as late as December '07/January '08, and Obama was

certainly in the race then. It isn't just skin color.

[ej510]

26. Exactly Obama had to earn our vote but Hillary supporters ignore that.

[RememberWellstone]

35. I agree.

But he cannot close the deal as of yet.

[redstate_democrat]

100. You're a racist tool.

I will laugh like hell when she goes down in flames.

lol

[Coexist]

29. rofl - that was awesome.

[ClericJohnPreston]

30. And Obama can't seal the deal with white voters!

He is unelectable.

[question everything]

31. Because the other candidate is black and she is white

And, for some reason, it makes sense for many, especially on DU, for blacks to vote for Obama, but not for women to vote for Hillary.

As a matter of fact, "real women" are expected to express their disgust with Hillary, again and again.

[jackson_dem]

39. He won black men 96-4 in PA. This is ok but Hillary getting 60% of white women in PA is wrong

You can't have it both ways and it should be noted if Clinton got 80-91% white female support she would win every single state with the exception of 5-6 southern states where that bloc vote would be countered by a bloc for Obama. That would be 35+ wins.

I do find it odd, though, that blacks are bloc voting for Obama like they did for Jackson, Mormons bloc voted for Romney, Catholics bloc voted for JFK and Smith. Yet women aren't doing it for Clinton. She gets probably about 55% of the female vote, probably 60% with white women but that is it and it varies by state. The bloc votes for Obama, Jackson, Romney, JFK, and Smith hold true in every state. There is no state where Obama has lost the black vote or came anywhere close to losing it like Clinton lost the female vote in several states. What is the deal my female friends?

[ej510]

40. You are an ass black men have voted for white men and white women.

Blacks support whites all of the time we always have but, I figured you would try to spin it as if blacks are the ones that are racist.

[jackson_dem]

43. How does this work? 96% is ok but 60% is racist?

[ej510]

51. There are some that want to see history but alot of them

like myself know that he is not just a better person, but he is a a hell of alot more intelligent, and he knows what it's like to have nothing Hillary has been given everything. She has lived a priviledged life. She has always had money and leverage.

[jackson_dem]

58. So 96% is based on issues and 60% is prima facie evidence of racism?

Better person? That is a fuzzy metric that was used by Bush supporters. We know who gives more to charity as a percentage when the cameras are off...

Intelligence? Yale Law, Harvard Law. Wash.

Privilege? The most elite prep school in Hawaii, Columbia, Harvard Law. That isn't privilege? Wellsely and Yale Law are? All of these are the same and actually his high school was much more privileged than hers, Columbia>Wellsely and Harvard>Yale. This is an odd metric. Why didn't Edwards get past 1% then? He was the least privileged of the top 3. What about Biden?

Money and leverage? Obama has far more money than the Clintons had when Bill was 47. Bill Clinton had to spend a quarter of a century moving to the top of the political ladder. Obama zoomed to the top in less than a decade.

[pnwmom]

41. Because she's running against Obama, not McCain.

Obama is a great candidate and it's not surprising he has high support among African Americans. That doesn't mean they won't vote for HRC, though, if she's the nominee against McCain.

[ej510]

45. I can guarantee you that if he is ahead in either the popular or the pledged delegates and they give

it to her there will be a black out. If she wins fair and square they will support her.

[jackson_dem]

50. What is she is ahead in the popular vote and he is ahead in pledeged delegates?

We hear this threat often. Does this not also apply to women? What if women, a majority of the electorate, sit it out because the first female candidate wins the popular vote but male party bosses put her male rival over the top? They are already annoyed at the male dominated MSM bias against her.

[ej510]

53. If he loses oh well. At least he got this far.

It would mean that we have more work to do.

[ej510]

57. I am black we have survived through hell. Guess what we can survive through McCain but I will not

let the racist stop me from voting for my canidate someone has to step up and say enough of this shit!

[jackson_dem]

63. You keep getting back to the assumption of voting against O as prima facie evidence of racist voting

John Edwards got 30%, 17%, about 10-12%, and 40% of the white vote in the four "official" contests he was in. He won the white vote only in South Carolina. How about Biden, Dodd, and Kucinich? The assumption here is that Obama is so great that if people vote against him they must have nefarious reasons for doing so. This is counterproductive to Obama. This is why I was glad to see Obama's surrogate on larry King tar PA as racist because whites (and Latinos) voted for Clinton in that state. That helps Hillary so I hope the Obama campaign makes this their official excuse for losing PA--and this isn't even getting to KY and WV. How will Obama explain losing WV 65-35?

Obama doesn't just lose whites. He loses Latinos, Asians, and not to mention also groups like Jews and GLBT folks. The only ethnic group he wins is his own. Is everyone else racist or is Obama a weaker candidate than he appears on the surface?

[ej510]

69. Obama has no chance in that racist state. Western Pa and Wv are virtually the same state.

[ej510]

70. I know it's hard for you to comprehend that there are alot of racist that hate black people in this

country.

CNN) -- Six West Virginians charged with kidnapping, torturing and sexually assaulting a woman for at least a week may also face hate crime charges, Logan County Sheriff's officials said Tuesday.


Danny Combs and Alisha Burton were charged in the West Virginia case.

1 of 3 The victim, 20-year-old Megan Williams, is black; those charged are white.

CNN does not normally identify the victim in sexual assault cases, but in this case, Williams' family said they want the public to know what happened.

The suspects include a mother and son, a mother and daughter, and two men.

According to criminal complaints filed in the county, Williams was sexually assaulted, stabbed in the left leg, choked and beaten.

The victim said one of the suspects cut her ankle with a knife while saying, "That's what we do to around here," police records show.

She also allegedly was forced to eat rat and dog feces, lick up blood and drink from the toilet. The criminal complaints say the suspects threatened to kill the victim if she left the house where she was being held.

Logan County Prosecutor Brian Abraham said he planned to meet with local police, FBI and a federal attorney at 4 p.m. ET to determine whether hate crime charges should be filed.

The six are charged with kidnapping, sexual assault, malicious wounding and battery. Kidnapping is punishable by up to life in prison. The penalty for first-degree sexual assault is 15 to 35 years.

Abraham said the charges could be modified as the investigation continues.

Williams was discovered Saturday after sheriff's deputies received an anonymous tip that a woman was being held against her will at a home in Big Creek, West Virginia.

As the deputies spoke with a woman on the front porch, "a female inside the residence limped toward the door with her arms held out, saying 'Help me,' " according to a news release from the Sheriff's Department.

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Woman tortured for at least a week, officials say
The woman had stab wounds on her left leg and bruises around her eyes, the statement said. Her wounds were determined to be about a week old.

"Deputies found her with two black eyes, part of her hair had been pulled out, she had lacerations on her neck and she had been physically, mentally and sexually abused," said Sheriff W.E. Hunter.


In custody are Frankie Brewster, 49; her son Bobby, 24, both of Pecks Mill, West Virginia; Danny J. Combs, 20, of Harts, West Virginia; and George A. Messer, 27, Karen Burton, 46, and her daughter, Alisha Burton, 23, all of Chapmanville, West Virginia.

"They all have previous records and have been arrested numerous times," Hunter said. "They are familiar to law enforcement

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/11/woman.tortured/index.html

[jackson_dem]

93. Yeah, I know nothing about racism

:sarcasm:

I go by data. I have not seen anything to suggest Pennsylvania is more racist than Wisconsin or Virginia where Obama won the white vote. He got beat. He loses Latinos and Asians too. Are they racist against him? Maybe he is just a candidate with limited appeal as far as race goes?

The racism excuse is an odd one. If he can't win a Democratic primary because of it how the hell can he win a general election contest with rethugs and indies?

I personally believe he probably loses 10% of the non-black vote automatically because of his race. He also gets a lot of male votes because of his gender, probably around 15% since sexism seems to trump race, at least in the MSM. He also gets a lot of black support due to race. Would he have won 96% of the black male vote today if he were white or Chinese? This does not mean I agree with Ferraro. If he were white he would be getting a bit more white support. I personally believe that in Dem primaries he comes out even in the race equation and probably slightly ahead on gender. In the general election, though, racism will hurt him because the black vote will not be large enough to offset it in the general as it can in the Dem primaries.

Is he unelectable because of his race? I don't buy that. His problem is inexperience. He is far more liked than Clinton if you look at their favorable numbers. Many people just don't think he is ready to be president and won't vote for him. If he comes back in 2016 he would be almost unbeatable. While the 10% figure is disconcerting Obama would need 54% of the remaining 90% to win. Given his talents once he gets experience he can get that--especially since most of that 10% wouldn't vote Democratic anyway.

[ej510]

99. And Hillary has alot of experience?

[jackson_dem]

71. You are back to that assumption again

Obama will win NC on the back of 80-91% of the black vote. Clinton will probably get 60-67% given her performance in PA and since whites vote more for her in the South than outside of it. 65%=racist. 91%, including 96% for half of the group=Obama is just that damn good! Why can't Obama get 96% of Latinos and Asians too if he is so great? Jews? Not only does he not reach the 90's he loses all of these groups.

[ej510]

83. She may not get that many because of the college educated.

[jackson_dem]

90. That is a reasonable assumption. Let's give her 55%

55%=prima facie evidence of racism, 90%=he is just that great a candidate?

[ej510]

98. I told you there are blacks that are excited about the possibilty of a

black president but alot of us support him for his ideas. Alot of blacks are socially conservtive and seeing him with his wife and if you look at them yo can tell that they are in love when you see the Clintons particularly Bill the only thing that alot of us see is adultery. Obama makes us feel relevant in this country. For once you have an african american on tv and he is not committing a crime. Alot of whites think that all black people rap, dance, play sports, or commit crimes. Which is false.

[jackson_dem]

101. Fair enough

You must look at the other side of that equation then. The lion's share of Clinton's white vote comes from white women. Among white men she won 56-44 but she won white women with a whopping 66-34 margin (enough to count as a bloc vote imo). Maybe they are voting for her because they are excited at the possibility of a woman president, not racism? I don't disagree with the fact some racists won't vote for O based on color (see my other reply to you). What I find to be bogus is the use of racism as an excuse whenever Obama loses the white, Latino, and even Asian (California) vote in a state. There is zero evidence to suggest Pennsylvania and Rhode Island are more racist than Wisconsin or Iowa.

[ej510]

102. I've said that in another thread 2 days ago. But Hillary also gets

the racist vote whether you want to believe it or not.

[jackson_dem]

103. I agree with that just as Obama gets the male sexist vote

[ej510]

87. Jews are white people. I know because my great grandfather was jewish.

Blaxcks are considered to be bottom of the barrel in this country. The younger groups support Obama the olde groups support Clinton the losing canidate let me remind you.

[pnwmom]

54. I doubt that. They would be hurting themselves, if they hand the country

over to another 4 more years of McBush rule.

[jackson_dem]

64. If he is ahead in the popular vote and pd's I can see McSame getting up to 35% of the black vote

And turnout would be down. It would also hurt the party long-term. If she loses the popular vote it may be better to nominate Obama, lose, and then come back in 2012 and win while keeping the AA vote in the Dem coalition. A Clinton win if she trails in the popular vote and pd's would quite likely be a Pyrrhic one.

[Justitia]

47. because she marginalizes them every chance she gets. -eom

[Jack_DeLeon]

48. Because she is not black...

make of that what you will.

[SoCalDem]

60. Why Oh Why didn't Hillary win all 5 of her homestates?

She did not win Illinois or DC..

[ej510]

62. Because she can't close the deal on the unknown senator from illinois.

[jackson_dem]

65. Obama had 97% name ID three months ago. It is probably 99% now

[ej510]

66. Clinton supporters always say that they do not know who he is.

[jackson_dem]

68. In that sense you are right and that is an asset for any politician

See his drop in performance since the MSM began vetting him a bit for the latest example of a politician suffering as he becomes less of a blank canvass.

[Uzybone]

67. Because Obama is black

and is a viable candidate. No way Hillary or any white candidate can do to get more that 80-90% of the black vote vs a star like Obama.

[Frank Booth]

72. I think it's the whole entitlement thing. She acts like black people owe her,

and she just seems to expect all black people to look past their misgivings and vote for her in the GE.

If it really is (God forbid) Hillary vs. McCain, I don't think McCain will get a substantial percentage of black voters, but I also think many black people (and other Dems) will just stay home.

If she does somehow get the nomination, her only chance is to ask Obama to be her running mate, and hope he accepts.

[ej510]

73. This is so true. The biggest misconception by

Hillary supporters is that the Clintons did so much for the black community. Now that is the biggest fairy tale ever told. There were some black folks telling this story and alot of people bought it.

[Frank Booth]

76. Yep. Plus what's even worse is that she's trying to piggyback on her own husband's

reputation. Basically, she's saying to black voters "Look, my husband treated black people so well that you owe me your vote."

Come to think of it, that's how she's run her entire campaign.

[ej510]

78. And this is how she treated Bill Richardson.

[DemBones DemBones]

74. She can, but Obama is black, even though his mother was white, so

he's naturally getting a lot of the black vote. I noticed that, at one point tonight, they were saying he got 92% of the black vote in PA but I don't think it's been quite that lopsided in other states.

In the general election, given the choice between HRC and McCain, most black Democrats will vote for HRC.

[ej510]

75. Not if the nomination is taken from him.

[DemBones DemBones]

105. Define "taken from him." If they both go to Denver

with about the same number of delegates and the superdelegates, having looked at all the polls and studied the situation, decide to nominate Clinton as the candidate who can win for the Dems in November, is that going to be "taking it from" Obama?

Obama supporters don't want the Florida and Michigan delegates to have a vote in Denver and that's just undemocratic, penalizing voters because their state went against the DNC and held primaries before Super Tuesday. Dean is a petty tyrant trying to hand this to Obama and that's wrong.

It would be equally wrong if Obama had won those states and Dean was saying they wouldn't be counted, if Dean were trying to hand the nomination to Clinton. Dean shouldn't have as much power as he's got, he controls the superdelegates who are going to decide.

All the votes should be counted and the convention should nominate the person they think can win in November. In my opinion, that's Clinton. Obama has not been vetted and has too many ties to people of questionable character. Maybe you don't know about them since the media has been building Obama up, but they know and so does the GOP The GOP can rip him to shreds and reinforce the stereotype of blacks as criminals. How is that going to help blacks?

[ej510]

106. That won't happen so they would have to take it from him.

[backscatter712]

77. Because she threw the black community under the bus.

Between the Geraldine Ferraro comments, the remarks by Bill Clinton in S. Carolina, and quite a few other incidents of dog-whistling, she's made it clear she isn't particularly interested in black votes, and she's alienated and angered those in the black community, and those of us who support the black community.

[ej510]

79. Hillary believes that the world owes her.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

85. because she's lost the democratic base which includes other demographics

if she doesn't win North Carolina, then she can't win over the democratic base.

[ej510]

89. I agree 100%. The rest of the party votes republican. Blacks are the most loyal.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

107. no the rest of the party does not vote republican. Its clinton supporters who would back McCain

I guess because both are war mongers.

[ej510]

108. That's the problem.

[goletian]

92. because they know she doesnt speak to them like obama - nt

[depakid]

104. That's one stupidest thing I've ever seen posted

Do you really think a Democratic candidate only gets 8% of the African American vote in the GE?

If so, you are VERY condescending.

[TragedyandHope]

109. Have you not heard or read anything Hillary's campaign and her surrogates have said

during this campaign?

I guess, for some people, if the attack isn't pointed directly at you, you will never get it. Hillary has gone down a road that is deeply painful and heartbreaking to many long time Democrats of all colors. It really puts their long support of the party into to question. The Clintons seem to take a certain loyal voting block for granted, then just as easily dismiss it, like they dismissed their good old friend Bill Richardson.

And now people are surprised about this? The cynical among us might even suggest that she intentionally pushed this wedge into the heart of the party in the hope that the mere fact that of many blacks lining up behind Obama would scare people and give her a greater appeal among open (and closeted) bigots. Doing her twisted math, maybe she thought the trade-off would work out in her favor. In the beginning of the race she had very strong support among blacks (over 50%?) and many were very skeptical of Obama. The combination of Obama proving himself to be a viable and desirable candidate, plus Clinton's repeated divisiveness drove almost all of them away.

She used black voters like pawns and was quick to sacrifice them for a handful of votes here and there. To treat proud American Democrats with such contempt has given many, many people good reason to re-evaluate their life long support of the party.