Who's celebrating an Obama VICTORY tonight?

[backscatter712]

Before you tell me to put the bong away, yes, I did see the results in Pennsylvania tonight. I want to make sure all the Obama fans have the correct frame on tonight's primary results.

Hillary Clinton didn't need a mere victory. She needed a blowout. She needed to win by 20-30 points tonight.

She only won by ten. That's not enough. Not even close.

Right now, Hillary & her supporters are partying, but that party is just the band serenading the passengers aboard the Titanic to keep the panic levels down while she slowly slips beneath the waves.

She'll net about a dozen delegates from tonight. Not enough to solve her math problem. Tomorrow, reality will set in.

She's toast.

So I'm cracking open a bottle of chocolate stout and celebrating an OBAMA VICTORY!!!

WHO'S WITH ME?!

[davidinalameda]

1. I'll take a chocolate milk

:toast:

[RememberWellstone]

2. We're not in Kansas anymore.

Obie lost.

[cliffordu]

18. well....You can think that if you want to...but there is a longer

view that includes actual


MATH

that differs. Play on, though. The next three weeks will be lots of fun.

[RememberWellstone]

23. Math will not get your candidate

Elected, it will have t be policy driven and not hype. Obama lost big, deny it and it will be repeated over again and again.

[cliffordu]

25. We'll see.

I would like you to know, however that

THE MATH

doesn't lie or really care about you or your candidate:

THE MATH

just tells the truth.

I'd rather lose the GE with Obama than have to vote for Hillary.

[polpilot]

53. McCain 45.8% v. Clinton 45.5%....Obama 46.0% v. McCain 44.8%...#'s u can believe in!!!!!!!!!

[jackson_dem]

62. Fairy tales. Name the last "new" nominee to run against a non-incumbent to now go down over the year

Both Bush and Kerry lost 11 points from the spring to the election in 00' and 04'. Dukakis lost 17 from the convention to Election Day. Carter went from +35 to +2 in 1976.

[TankLV]

57. umm - BIGTIME...!!!

HA HA...

[datopbanana]

3. It was a victory in the sense that nothing changed. Meaning he's still 96% to win the nom...

[Double T]

4. Quit HALLUCINATING on that chocolate stout.

BHO is done.

[Zhade]

9. You wish SO HARD that were true.

You'll be very sad when this is all said and done.

[Eurobabe]

36. Another moron for the ignore list

Yummy.

[TheDoorbellRang]

5. I'm happy, but

She didn't win by ten -- more like eight

And she won't get a dozen delegates out of it, either.

:D

[writes3000]

6. I'm feeling very optimistic tonight. Very.

After the hubbub of PA passes, the reality will start to set in for the Democratic party.

There's no way they will take this away from Obama now.

With 45% of the Dem vote, he showed everything he needed to tonight.

I won't call it a victory but I will call it an important threshold.

Obama will be the nominee.

[PoliticalAmazon]

64. We also have the strength of the Obama community to keep us going....

We are very fortunate to have the opportunity to work together for a candidate of such incredible leadership skills. Every time I talk to an Obama supporter or see them on TV, I am proud all over again to be part of this forward-thinking community.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5641608&mesg_id=5641608

[Zhade]

7. Right here. He will be the nom.

NT!

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Kind of person who sees the glass as half broken?

[NewHampshireDem]

10. Yup

An outright win--though I never thought it was likely--would have been better, but Obama did what he needed to do. As someone on another thread wrote, it's the bottom of the ninth, HRC is down by 3 runs, and she hit a double.

But, on the other hand, Obama got over 1 million votes. THAT is huge. Huge. I can't wait to see how that compares to past PA winners.

[bhikkhu]

11. Here too. I think it is a victory for both.

(though I may be delusional) - Hillary has enough of a win to raise enough funds to pay her debts and save face, while Obama has held off any substantial erosion of his well earned lead.

[cliffordu]

26. That is an EXCELLENT point. Thanks.

[Barack_America]

12. I am. And so were the folks at the campaign party in Philly.

We were feeling good. We delivered for Obama. No doubt about that.

I think it's important for everyone to note (and I speak only for myself here) that the objective was not to win PA. Sure, that would've been nice, but the primary objective was to improve his numbers among white voters, relative to Ohio. That explains his relative neglect of Philadelphia and heavy focus on suburban and rural areas. Playing to your weaknesses rather than strengths is a defensive position. A strategy focused on winning plays up your own strengths and focuses on your enemies weaknesses, i.e. camp-out in West and North Philly, areas that Obama did not visit at all.

[LisaL]

13. Those who live in the state of denial?

[JTFrog]

31. That's Hillary's biggest state so far.

[Cha]

67. Yeah, you really should try and get

out of that.

[taught_me_patience]

14. Not quite a victory

but a damaging body blow. North Carolina will be the blast on the chin we are looking for.

[FrenchieCat]

15. We won by less than 10, and proved that she can't win the Black vote.....

meaning she can't win the big urban cities of the bell weather states.

Also, because of how she has acted, she will not be winning Wisconsin, Oregon, Nevada, Minnesota, Iowa, and Washington.

So without the states above and without big cities, she is utterly unelectable.

[Silver Gaia]

34. Right. it's currently just a lead of 8.5, not 10.

But Obama did exactly what I expected him to do. He narrowed her lead, and it IS in single digits, despite what the MSM is saying. I never expected a "win" sort of win, but exactly this. He himself said yesterday that he expected Hillary to win this primary. I don't get what all the hoohrah is about. It's not like something amazing was accomplished on her part by barely hanging onto her lead. This was an Obama victory in that what he set out to do was accomplished.

So, yeah, I'm celebrating that. :)

[goclark]

42. Yes .exactly...Fool us once but don't even try to fool us twice

Just heard from my cousin in Philly.

We are African American.

He said the dirty campaign tricks,done to our people,were beyond evil.

The age old tricks like....moving polling locations, suppression of the votes, broken machines,long lines etc.

We have been loyal Democrats and put the Clintons in the White House for 8 years.

I certainly can't speak for all of my people but I can speak for the ones that I have talked to last night.....no long lines and no "get out the votes" for Hillary.

The name RENDELL is right up there with CLINTON my cousin told me late last night .

He said, "Philly is through with both of them!"

They have displayed their true colors to us and we know now that we can not be fooled by the two of them ever again.

[Ganja Ninja]

50. Yup, the meme ought to be ...

"Why can't Hillary hold to her lead?" The longer she's on the stump the more voters turn away from her.

[TankLV]

58. so that meand the blacks are BIGOTED and RACISTS?!?!

hmmmm...

naw - it only applies to Hillary supporters...

gotcha...

[speedoo]

16. Looks like Obama reaches the magic number on May 20, in Oregon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5636369&mesg_id=5636369

[XemaSab]

17. I'm keepin' on keepin' on over here

I was hoping it would be a bit tighter, but I realize that Obama's got it under control. :)

[akbacchus_BC]

19. I am celebrating with you. Congratulations to Senator Clinton.

Senator Obama also won, he managed to close the gap from 20 to 10, that is a huge win. Congratulations to all of Senator Obama's DU volunteers and campaign workers who worked so diligently to narrow the gap. Go Obama.

[kmsarvis]

33. What a magnanimous reply !!!

:applause:

[cliffordu]

20. I'm on the decaf, but I'm good -

:hi:

[ruby slippers]

21. I had a Brownie with you.....

[Raine]

22. I am

Obama took her down from 20% to 10% and he made her spend so much of her money in PA that she doesn't have enough left for the states that remain, she's completely in the red. :evilgrin:

[backscatter712]

29. Good point!

Hillary's ten million bucks in debt right now (well, as of her last campaign financials report, she's probably even deeper in the hole now.)

Her campaign is going to be severely hamstrung from now on, and she'll have big troubles in North Carolina and Kentucky. Obama, OTOH has a huge warchest - enough to outspend Hillary AND bring tens of millions to bear against McCain this fall!

[backscatter712]

24. Awesome!!!

Cheers everyone! To the next President of the United States, Barack Obama!!!

/me raises his mug of stout.

[DerekJ]

27. U kidding?!!, of course I'm. It's a realistic victory, not a moral one. But I'll go for reality.

[David__77]

28. Battle lost, war will assuredly be won.

He will be the nominee. No way the superdelegates deny him the nomination. Impossible.

[TragedyandHope]

30. It was a tactical victory

I was happy to see the numbers. Obama was going up against great odds, but managed to connect with a huge number of voters. He pulled over a significant number of Clinton voters in a state with an unfavorable demographic. He held the line.

Obama's lead is even more firm now than it was yesterday. The pressure should be mounting on Clinton and I expect her to graciously concede in the week of the May 6th Primaries.

[backscatter712]

32. Yep.

I'll bet you David Axelrod's celebrating tonight. The math's in Obama's favor, even more so after Pennsylvania.

[2rth2pwr]

35. Let's expand this little scenario. If Clinton recieved 100% of the vote and Obama did not receive

one single vote, there would be people like you trying to convince themselves that it's time to pop the corks.

It's not the math, can't you see it? She is passing him in the popular vote, he looks weaker all the time with a huge

war chest and he can't stop her. It will come down to perception. If she continues to do well, the SD's know that some of Obama's ewrlier

wins wouldn't be repeated after the things that have been learned about him. They will do what's best for the party and the country

and swing it to Hillary.

[thoughtcrime1984]

37. Around an 8% loss when all is said and done

I'll take it! GOBAMA!

[FunkyLeprechaun]

38. Me! I'm so glad she won by single digits!

Whoo hoo! Yippee!

She only got single digits. I think there should be pressure for her to quit. Edwards quit early in the contest despite having a 2nd place finish in Iowa.

It's time for her to back Obama. Hillary, just keep onto what ever dignity you have left and back Obama.

[goclark]

43. That will never happen in this life

[FunkyLeprechaun]

49. I know

*sigh* She really does need to quit though.

[Enrique]

39. I expect Obama to get 80% of all the pledged delegates

so if he gets less than that, then that's a victory for Clinton and the superdelegates should vote for her.

[gal]

55. What are you smoking?

According to what your candidate has been spouting a win is 51-49 so if he has over half the SD go to him!

[SunsetDreams]

40. Heck yes I'm celebrating, it was a victory for Obama!

He closed her lead....which means she lost some support to him.
I congratulate her winning her little battle tonight, but in the end the math doesn't let her win the war :)

[LibertyorDeath]

41. Right here... He's rock solid...She's 10 mil in debt

It's all over but the crying for HRC desciples....

[Jawja]

44. No, I'm a donating Obama supporter but

Clinton WON.

She won the argument for staying in the race. She won the lavish media spotlight being cast upon her because Obama couldn't overtake a 20+ lead in the polls to beat her in PA. He MIGHT have closed the gap if he hadn't been sandbagged by the ABC farce called a "debate." But that's politics and desperation calls for desperate measures (like the "let's scare the voters with bin Laden" ad.)

Clinton WON last night. No doubt about it. She doesn't gain any ground in delegates or improve the math she needs, but she WON a few more weeks of scorched Earth attacks and media spotlight and bolstered her argument that Obama "can't close the deal."

Clinton WON. She won because the "wait and see" Super Delegates who could decide this thing NOW will "wait and see" some more and this will drag on to Indiana and North Carolina and West Virginia and Oregon and Guam and..... the convention.

Clinton WON. She won because the media will help her honk the "I've won the BIG States" and "I've won the Electoral Math" spin she is using so effectively against Obama (never mind that the media is still reporting a WIN for her Texas, which is a flat out falsehood).

Clinton WON. No doubt about it. Obama supporters will have to deal with the fallout until the next contest.

On to North Carolina.

[RBInMaine]

47. Yup, she "WON" what she was SUPPOSED to win (just not by nearly as much).

[Jawja]

54. Exactly.

But she is now being spun as the "comeback kid" and "Cintons can't lose" and "she's a real fighter" etc etc etc.

This spin will continue on until the next contest. The GOP and the GOP Corporate Media got what they wanted - for now.

[backscatter712]

60. Clinton and the media can spin all they want, but she's still gonna lose.

Obama did what he needed to do - prevented a blowout in that state.

I had realistic expectations - there was a severe Archie Bunker problem in Pennsylvania for Obama to overcome, but he kept the margin of victory down to the single digits.

As a result, she's gonna net her 12 delegates, throw a little party, but the media, as corrupt as they are, aren't going to be able to prevent reality from setting back in, and her ship will continue to sink. It'll just take a little longer.

Remember the math. Clinton's delegate math is even worse after tonight than it was. And the superdelegates, though they might "wait and see" for a while longer, aren't going to drink her Kool-aid.

Obama's won the war. That's what it's come down to.

[RBInMaine]

45. No, she won by 8.5% (with provisional ballots yet to come).

[Perry Logan]

46. In bed by ten, all of you.

[d00mzday]

48. Dam Strait

I never expected a win in this state. Obama was successful in delivering what he said he needed to deliver, and that was to basically split the state and prevent a blowout that the media said she needed for 6 weeks strait, anything more would of been icing on the cake. Dam right I am happy :)

[minnesota_liberal]

51. my dumb sports analogy

This primary is a marathon. Obama still has good form and just passed the 23-mile point. Hillary gained a little ground over the past mile but is still 3 minutes behind, has lost her form and is running mostly on guts.

[wrando]

52. what the hell

Black is white and up is down

so let's celebrate another Obama victory

bill from ct

[TankLV]

56. I have the name of a good psychiatrist - you sound like you need one...

only in obamaland...

[shadowknows69]

59. Skoal!!!

[jackson_dem]

61. I was celebrating

:thumbsup:

[PoliticalAmazon]

63. I'm going to try to outline an internet campaign for Indiana....

...so people like us who have jobs and can't travel there to be boots on the ground can still do our part.

If anybody has any ideas, please let me know.

[Austinitis]

65. Have you LOOKED at the polls?

Seriously. Try it for the first time.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/...

OBAMA DIDN'T MOVE AT ALL THE LAST TWO WEEKS GOING IN. Seriously. What was he doing with all that time and money there? Certainly he wasn't making progress.

[Thepricebreaker]

66. You see the internals? Im not celebrating shit... he will win NC though...