SORRY OBAMA. HILLARY WINS. 10 pts +!

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PA didn't buy the Hope and Change illusion.

Hillary KICKED ASS.

On we go.

GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tridim]

1. That's not what I've read. Got a link?

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4. Yep.

http://www.cnn.com/

[gcomeau]

6. Try the source.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

8.6. That does not round up to 10.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. Do the math. According to CNNs numbers Hill doesn't have a 10 percent lead.

Also, they have almost the same number of votes shown for Obama as the PA site shows, but they have quite a few more for Hillary. How does that work?

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21. CNN's front page sez Hillary 55, Obama 45, with 99% reporting.

Sorry, man, that's what it sez.

[bobbert]

24. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ROUNDING???

How many times do we have to explain, it's not 10+, it's more like 9% even if you use CNN's actual tally

[jackson_dem]

49. Do you understand non political junkies don't care if it is 9.6 or 10.0?

Check out today's headlines in the papers...

[bobbert]

50. But using CNN's current numbers it's 9.4 which rounds down to 9.

non-political junkies don't add the + for effect. 10+ could be 11, 12, 15.

[jackson_dem]

55. They don't care. The headlines are "Clinton wins big"

The double digit threshold was a false goalpost created by the punditry. She won by enough to convince the press it was a "big win" and that is what she needed at a minimum. If the headlines were "Clinton narrowly wins" that would be damaging to her.

The real question is why we are even having this discussion. 43 states have now voted. Why can't Obama close the deal despite spending $2 million a week on television ads? Did it take Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, and Carter this long to do it? I know Carter went to the convention but he had a delegate lead of over 1,000. Obama's delegate lead is 132 at the moment and will be reduced by another 2-6 more delegates based on how the final PA allocation winds up. Mondale and Hart went to the end but Mondale is not exactly a shining example to follow! It is time to ask if voters are having buyer's remorse about someone who they hear nothing but great things about for an entire year on the campaign trail and two years prior to that. As soon as Obama was punched a bit he has lost Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Rhode Island. His only legitimate wins are in Mississippi and Vermont (Wyomong was a joke with 2.5% turnout :eyes: ). Over the next three weeks he is expected to lose Indiana and West Virginia. What is going on here?

[Nederland]

63. I see

Facts don't matter. 'Nuf said.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. Do you bel;ieve everything CNN tells you? Do the math, if you know how.

[Voice for Peace]

44. Even if it's 10 points, it's still not a big win.

It just isn't, and that's that. Not big enough to make enough of a difference
no matter how anybody spins it.

[bobbert]

16. Hmm when I use the # of votes it's only 9%

You can only win by even numbers if you round each candidate to whole numbers, so a difference of 1 vote can be the difference between 8% and 10% on CNN

[Seeker30]

2. Doh! Didnt you hear a Hillary win = a loss?

[ruggerson]

8. The Alice in Wonderland crowd

is out in full force

[The Doctor.]

36. Well... considering that she needs to win every state by 20% or more just to catch up...

Yes... it's a loss.

So are you a genius or a snide moron? :evilgrin:

[Guaranteed]

3. If she didn't reach 55%, she didn't reach double digits.

That's simple arithmetic.

Sorry, you lost.

[TheDoorbellRang]

5. Sorry, Skippy -- more like 8 points

and fewer delegates. :D

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7. CNN with 99% in - Hillary 55, Obama 45.

That equals ten in my book.

[gateley]

11. Pennsylvania Department of State = 8.6%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[TheDoorbellRang]

22. And once the remaining districts in Delaware, Chester, and Philadelphia

report in, it should be down to an 8 point spread. Then remember, the Philly area gets more delegates than other areas, too. It's all good for our guy.:D

[Spider Jerusalem]

13. 98.91% in, Clinton 54.3%, Obama 45.7%

8.6<10. Simple math here.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[JackORoses]

15. 71 outstanding precincts, 69 of them in Obama counties

40 in Philly which went to Obama 65-35
19 in Chester O55-45
10 in Delaware O55-45

He will be gaining ground all night long.

It will be below 9 and may even be down to an 8 pt lead by sunrise.

That doesn't equal 10 in anybody's book.

[Frank Booth]

18. Did you ever learn the concept of "rounding"?

If you forgot, you might want to review your 3rd grade math textbook. It's really not that hard to grasp.

[JeffR]

9. OK

1) 10+ points? Probably not.

2) A month ago, your candidate had a 25+ point edge in PA. What happened? As today's fax-blast would have it, why couldn't she close the deal?

[seriousstan]

10. And you set the goalposts where??

[JeffR]

27. I guess wherever it's most expedient that Senator Clinton wants 'em

That's the name of the game in the Clinton camp, right?

[boppers]

12. Ah, just like Texas.

Claim a win, a big win.

Hope the math challenged believe it.

Will Pennsylvania be voting 12 more times, so she can maybe catch up?

[Skarbrowe]

26. I think what she is doing is to get close enough to Obama in popular

votes and closer to his obvious lead in the delegate count to convince the SuperD's that it would be better to have her on top of the ticket and Obama as VP. I've just got a feeling that's what she is trying to do. The party appears to need them both on the ticket. To do that, she would have to win big in Indiana, Kentucky, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, slow him a bit in NC..any place other than those red states that Obama will most likely win. If she can rack up at least 5 wins out of those remaining, it puts a lot of pressure on the SuperD's. They can see that Obama is still ahead, but barely and that she does have some momentum and some terribly stubborn supporters.

The SuperD's can end this now if they would just go over to Obama's side. Why won't they do that? What are they waiting for? The above scenario possibly?

[jackson_dem]

52. Yes and the best way to convince them is to keep showing why O is a weak GE candidate

Did you see the exit poll? Obama won the most rich category, those making over 200k, 65-35 yet he got killed among working folks. This is just one reason why Obama is a weak GE candidate. Her goal now should be to expand her margins and hammer his weakness among key groups home.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. She's losing ground with some of her usual demographics

she's losing a share of her usual demographics and Obama is gaining.

from over at The Field:

Among white registered Democrats (70 percent of them in Ohio) - the demographic that the pastor-bashing and bitter-posturing was aimed at - Senator Clinton lost 24 percent (down to 53 percent in Pennsylvania).

Among African-American registered Democrats (14 percent of them in Ohio) she lost 42 percent of her previous support (down to 8 percent in Pennsylvania).

All the posturing and negativity didn’t gain her a single yard.

In fact, Senator Clinton lost ground in every one of those key foundations of her former base vote.

Whether or not the commercial media spins it that way - in her campaign’s lexicon - “doesn’t matter.”

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1105

[scheming daemons]

19. Sorry Skip.... 8.6 doesn't round to 10!

[DainBramaged]

20. Wins what, she's BROKE, it wasn't a victory, it was a joke

What is she going to buy commercials with, Monopoly money?

THE HANDWRITING IS ON THE WALL, TIME TO GO HILL

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25. Tell all those voters their votes don't matter.

yay! Democratic victory in 08, without those dumb uneducated poor white voters in PA and FL and MI.

Screw them.

On to an Obama debacle in November!

[scheming daemons]

32. Obama will win in November.... ironically, with your help....

You know, deep down, that you'll be voting for him.... no matter what you say here.

[DainBramaged]

59. Right, an Obama debacle, and my eyes will turn blue

Clinton is a debacle now. She is on a campaign of slash and burn no matter what the cost to America.

[Diane R]

23. You do realize he's won many states by more than 30%?

[The Doctor.]

39. If you haven't figured it out, "percents" aren't REAL numbers...

It's win/loss... who cares about by how much!

:evilgrin:

[boppers]

29. 54. 3 to 45.7 as of this post.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

Didn't break 10 points, as of this posting.

We shall see.

[quakerboy]

30. 8 points, rounding their %'s

9 if you want to round the difference.

Under 10. When she needed almost 20% to keep on pace to a win. In a proclaimed "home state" Where he was down 20-30 % not terribly long ago.

[pointsoflight]

31. Give her this battle, but she actually LOST ground in the war.

In gaining just 10 delegates, but having nearly 160 pulled off the table, she now must win a higher percentage of delegates to catch Obama than was the case just yesterday.

So go ahead and celebrate. She won PA. A win is a win. But at the same time, the road to the nomination is actually tougher now than it was before PA, and that's the reality of the situation. Again, she must now win a higher percentage of the remaining delegates than was the case before PA. That's just the truth of the matter.

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33. AFP: Ten Point Margin. (Yahoo).

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AFP) - A victorious Hillary Clinton convincingly kept her White House quest alive Tuesday, triumphing over Barack Obama in Pennsylvania's rancorous Democratic primary.

In a jubilant note to supporters the former first lady predicted that her 10-point victory over Obama would "transform" the grinding Democratic race, stalemated for weeks with Obama in the lead.

"We won a critically important victory tonight in Pennsylvania. It's a giant step forward that will transform the landscape of the presidential race," she said.

With 99 percent of precincts reporting, Clinton snapped up 55 percent of the vote to 45 for Obama, in her bid to be America's first woman president.

[Guaranteed]

34. LOL. Let's. See. The Numbers.

You're relying on garbage reporting.

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37. Yeah, garbage reporting from all the major news outlets. They're wrong, you're right. Bottom line?

Obama lost.

[scheming daemons]

40. Saying "10" all you want doesn't make it so.... only one set of numbers is OFFICIAL... PA State Dept

...and they show 8.6% lead for Hillary.


Neither AP, nor CNN, nor anyone else is the official tallyer.


The State Dept of PA is.

[Guaranteed]

41. Well, yeah, they're wrong. The question is why.

But, that's right, your candidate is the "the truth is malleable" one....


Still waiting on them numbers....doo dee doo....

[The Doctor.]

42. Wow... you're not that bright, are you?

Don't get me wrong, I like you and all... but the numbers are right there for anyone to do the math if they want to.

What you're telling everyone by this post is that you can't actually do that math yourself. Right?

That puts you on the echelon of "The economy is doing GREAT!" crowd.

[scheming daemons]

38. Um... reporting wrong numbers doesn't make them suddenly "right"....

The official tally, the one done by the PA Dept of State... shows Hillary with LESS than a 9% win. 8.6% to be exact at this moment.


You can call 8.6 "ten" all you want... doesn't make it accurate.

[backscatter712]

35. She didn't solve her math problem.

Ten points isn't enough.

She needed at least 20, but didn't get it.

Hillary won the battle but lost the war.

[JackBeck]

43. Yeah. But no.

Less than 10%, per Penn State Election returns

[TragedyandHope]

45. Congratulations folks!

May the best candidate win the nomination!

[LulaMay]

46. Yes we will!!!! She was TERRIFIC!

[oasis]

47. Freeze those super delegates. They've got some soul searching to do

before they crown a guy who will get creamed again in the general.

[cali]

48. She won, but not by 10+

and assuming he'd lose the general but she wouldn't, is just silly. i've been saying for months, they both stand a good chance of winning the general. this doesn't change that. Will the SDs hold off? I would if I were undecided, but who knows?

[oasis]

51. Can she get the votes that Obama can't get? That's what the supers will

have to examine.

[cali]

56. they'll be looking at more than that.

if I was a betting woman, I'd say that SDs will continue the trend established over the last 3 months- they'll continue going for Obama. They are not pleased with hilly's negative campaigning or her sky high unfavorables.

[jackson_dem]

53. I wonder if the Clinton campaign has e-mailed all supers a copy of the exit poll

;)

[oasis]

54. Too bad the supers have to be involved. Some feelings must now

get hurt. But they'll get over it once they reap the benefits of Hillary's presidency.

[RBInMaine]

57. So what happened to the 22 points she LOST since Nov, when she was ahead by 30?

[RBInMaine]

58. NO, 8.5% with first time voter provisional ballots yet to be counted.

[stillcool]

60. the "numbers" say otherwise...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5639954&mesg_id=5639954

[Kittycat]

61. Using HillMath again? The media is flipping to the truth now :)

http://thepage.time.com/
9 or 10?
How big was Senator Clinton’s Keystone State win, and why is the media obsessed with double digits?

Pennsylvania Secretary of State: 9.2 point difference

Other news orgs: 10 point difference

Tribune: “‘Double-digit’ win? Not exactly”

[Raffi Ella]

62. SHE THUMPED HIS ASS!

WOooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:kick: :bounce: :party: :woohoo: :toast:

[uponit7771]

64. A home state were she had DNC insiders locked up before Dec & she only win by 1 digit =kick ass? LOL

Remember, you're talking to people over the tubes...we're not LIVs

[SeaLyons]

65. anyway you cut it...

she kicked his ass!!!

Go Hillary!

[Raffi Ella]

67. WOoooooooo!

'Dat's RIGHT! She KICKED HIS ASS! Woooo! :toast: GO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!

[SeaLyons]

71. WooooHoooo

She sure did.

To Hillary :toast:

:hug:

[SeaLyons]

66. She was MAGNIFICENT!!

Yes She Will!!!

Go Hillary!!

[AtomicKitten]

68. > 10-pts but, hey, who's counting? Clinton folks don't need no stinkin' facts and numbers.

[truebrit71]

69. More fuzzy math...no wonder her campaign is in the red...

:evilgrin:

[Phillycat]

70. Yesterday was a lot of fun here. :)

Even in Philly, there were many, many Hillary supporters, and they were generally both more pleasant and less confrontational than the Obama supporters - which is what I find online too. I was proud to be one of her supporters! :bounce: