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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:06 AM
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Voting problems primary night, and what it means for November
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Around PA In 90 Minutes—Citizen Journalists Report on PA Primary

FROM INVISIBILITY TO BEYOND

Special 90 minute “Voice of the Voters!” & “American Voices”
Starting at 7:30 PM ET Wednesday, April 23rd
1360 AM Greater Philadelphia & and on the Internet www.voiceofthevoters.org

Millions of Pennsylvanians sought to exercise their right to vote on Tuesday, yet the 90% who had to use state’s voting machines were “voting blind.” Nonetheless, Citizen activists hit the streets to watch the parts of the process that they could monitor.

In this 90-minute special edition of Voice of the Voters & American Voices , we’ll ask:
--Why is Pennsylvania now being called the Invisible State; portents for the future?
--Were voters able to vote or turned away? Why?
--Was there any indication of “Operation Chaos”?
--What was impact of the so-called “fleeing voter”?
--Were machine breakdowns common and how were they handled? Lines?
--Were provisional and emergency ballots available?
--What “anomalies” did voters and poll watchers notice?
--What were voters most serious concerns both in voting and issues for 2008?
--What have we learned about the State of PA Elections and Potential Impact on November?

Guests will have been on the ground, gathering information, filming or handling phone calls and will present first hand knowledge of this vital State’s Operation on Primary Day… a forecast of things to come?

Dr. Alan Brau, Lehigh Valley CVI
Dr. Richard King, Western PA, PA-VerifiedVoting.org
Holly Jacobson, VoterAction reports from Hotline & Legal Action
Marybeth Kuznik, VotePA, overview of the State
Michael Collins, “Scoop” Independent News
Paddy Shaffer and Marj Creech, Centre PA. Came in from Ohio Election Justice Campaign
Sara Haile-Mariam, Philadelphia & Suburbs. Representing Youth Activists around the State
Suzanne Erb, Philadelphia (also reporting on difficulties with Disability voting)
Lori Rosolowsky with special report on the “Story of Creekside” .. Disenfranchisement?
And several others will contribute their eyewitness experience as we continue to gather stories across the Keystone State

Join in this important dissection of how Pennsylvania handled the primary, key concerns and questions, hosted by Jim Strait with input from Mary Ann Gould. John Gideon of VotersUnite.Org will provide news update as well as his perspective of PA reports.

Listeners can call in questions live at 856-227-1360 and submit questions in advance at the Voice of the Voters! Website. Internet. Access also at http://wnjc.duxpond.com/

Archived Voice of the Voters! programs can be found at www.voiceofthevoters.org

Coalition for Voting Integrity




From Kathy Dopp
PA Primary Primary Elections - What do we know?

Obama is leading in the PA exit polls. Regardless of whether Obama or
Clinton "wins" the PA Democratic Primary according to PA official
machine counts, what we will never know is whether or not PA voters'
ballots were accurately cast or counted because a large majority of PA
voters vote using invisible e-ballots without any voter-verifiable
paper ballot record that could be used to verify the counts for
independent auditing. And we will never know what trade secret
instructions compiled into humanly unreadable machine language were
used to cast and count e- votes in PA.

There were a lot of problems with PA's voting systems.

Mainstream media reported many problems today with PA's Voting
Systems. Some PA primary election problems are listed here by
BradBlog.com:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5918

Election Officials are reporting "few problems. However, news reports
show otherwise. Problems (from most recent to earliest) Include:

4:12pm PT: Wrong machine deliver, machine failure, court-appointed
machine inspector denied entrance to polls.
http://www.electionjournal.org/

3:54pm PT: Voter-service phone lines jammed across state.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/us/politics/22cnd-campaign.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

3:45pm ET: Machines down, get jammed, in Bucks County.
http://blogs.phillyburbs.com/blog.php/?p=28259&cat=0

3:09pm ET: More machine breakdowns in Philly, voters only allowed
provisions if both machines malfunction.
http://cbs3.com/topstories/polling.places.pennsylvania.2.705732.html

3:01pm ET: Obama camp reporting problems, difficulty getting machines
started, voting probs, Philly official says "all is well". From
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_camp_charging_voting_problems_in_0422.html

12:28am ET: Machines down in African American area of Philly, voters
leave without voting, registration probs. Via Email from computer
security, e-voting expert, Dr. Rebecca Mercuri...

11:00am ET: Registration roll probs in Philly, provisionals only
handed out if both machines malfunction. From Philly Inquirer/Daily
News PA Primary Blog...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/Vote_early_to_avoid_problems.html

10:50am ET: Both machines break down, 100's leave without voting,
Obama's name not on provisional ballot! From Philly Inquirer/Daily
News PA Primary Blog...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/More_voting_machine_malfunctions.html

10:45am ET: Electrical probs lead to ES&S iVotronic machine
malfunctions, use of paper ballots in Green Tree. From CBS affiliate
KDKA 2...
http://kdka.com/local/Poll.Green.Tree.2.705572.html

10:44am ET: Machine breakdowns in Delaware County and South Philly.
From Philly Inquirer/Daily News PA Primary Blog...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/18002279.html

9:45am ET: Ballot design probs in Palmer Township (Northhampton
County). Delegates not listed under candidates. From Lehigh Valley
Live...
http://blog.pennlive.com/lvbreakingnews/2008/04/palmer_township_voter_reports.html

9:43am ET: Fewer machines in Northhampton County this year. From
Lehigh Valley Live...
http://blog.pennlive.com/lvbreakingnews/2008/04/voters_might_need_to_wait_in_l.html

6:15am PT: Machines "on fritz" as Philly polls opened, voters given
provisionals. From Philly Inquirer/Daily News PA Primary Blog...
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/politics/Grumbling_at_the_provisional_ballots.html

9:14am ET: Voting machines malfunctioned, votes lost in Bethlehem.
From Morning Call...
http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-n-l-voters-042208-cn,0,4187550,full.story



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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:41 AM
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1. this is scary on its own - and combined with the propensity of the
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 02:42 AM by truedelphi
M$M to announce the election winner with only 8% of the vote in - well,it means that once again the announcement of the Repuglican winner might come from the Repuglicn WH.

My husband and I saw it as a total anomaly that the winner, Senator Clinton, was called by NBC at about 10 minutes past 6 Pacific time.

And what was even stranger was that only 8 per cent of the vote was in.

Stranger still, the numbers stayed the same for the next two hours

Clinton- 54%
Obama - 46%

After two hours with 84% of the vote in, the numbers changed sightly -
Clinto - 55%
Obama- 45%

To me it was weird. I have watched election coverage for many decades and have never before seen a race wherein the numbers just SAT in place from 8% to 84% of the precincts reporting!!!

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 08:39 PM
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9. Not surprising.
None of it.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 02:48 AM
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2. The numbers seemed to match the exit #s, and jumped around. Then, after 8%, no change.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:50 AM
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7. I noticed that too.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:08 AM
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3. K&R
Isn't this just wonderful... :grr:
:sarcasm:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:14 AM
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4. Andrea Mitchell just said on Morning Joe that they held the vote down
in Philly by issuing bad machines. I hope the SDs will take notice of this.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:18 AM
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6. oh they will alright, because there are way too many reports like this
in different counties all over PA.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:16 AM
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5. This is going to come back and bite them
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:30 AM
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8. kick
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