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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 03:56 AM
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The Low Road to Victory - NYT editorial rips Hillary
The Pennsylvania campaign, which produced yet another inconclusive result on Tuesday, was even meaner , more vacuous, more desperate, and more filled with pandering than the mean, vacuous, desperate, pander-filled contests that preceded it.

Voters are getting tired of it; it is demeaning the political process; and it does not work. It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election.

If nothing else, self interest should push her in that direction. Mrs. Clinton did not get the big win in Pennsylvania that she needed to challenge the calculus of the Democratic race. It is true that Senator Barack Obama outspent her 2-to-1. But Mrs. Clinton and her advisers should mainly blame themselves, because, as the political operatives say, they went heavily negative and ended up squandering a good part of what was once a 20-point lead.

On the eve of this crucial primary, Mrs. Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11. A Clinton television ad — torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook — evoked the 1929 stock market crash, Pearl Harbor, the Cuban missile crisis, the cold war and the 9/11 attacks, complete with video of Osama bin Laden. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” the narrator intoned.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:01 AM
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1. Translation: Hill's a tough gal who's in it to win it. (eom)
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:10 AM
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4. Since you ended your message a bit early, I'll finish it for you...
Hill's a tough gal who's in it to win it no matter what it does to the Democratic party, or the country. She's going to stick it out and bloody up Obama for the right wing and try to fling enough muck at him so that McCain wins.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:28 PM
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17. Obama's just not ready. Hillary has been sending up red flags for months.
The media and the idolaters were so enraptured by Obama's sales pitch that they never took the time to take a real look at him. At least the media finally woke up.

The party will survive, and the country will be the better by going through this exercise.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:21 AM
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7. at any cost whether that cost be the democratic party, its candidate or the
American people.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:34 PM
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18. The Ameican people need an administrator with experience and know-how. Obama
could use some seasoning.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:59 PM
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20. Well, experience has not proven to be so hot in a lot of cases has it and I think
what the people want is someone new, someone with fresh ideas, intelligence and someone who will not divide the country as we have in GWB and will have in Hillary. Also, we do not need the same as we have now which we will have in Hillary who already is talking about attacking Iran.

Obama stands for change, leadership and can bring back the respect we have lost.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:06 AM
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2. Translation: Superdelegates, look what she's doing to the party
and how we don't need any more of the Same Old Shit.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:07 AM
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3. uh huh n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 04:07 AM by Skittles
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:10 AM
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5. "Call off the dogs"
Indeed!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:15 AM
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6. great article! K&R
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Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:21 AM
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8. Re the TV ad,
I'd have expected that from Rudy G. if he'd been the R nominee, NOT from our side. I understand that she thought it would somehow underscore her strengths and highlight what her campaign sees as Obama's weakness and inexperience, but it was wrong-headed, IMHO.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:38 AM
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9. The NYTimes has long since stopped being a reliable progressive advocate
Sounds like the Times editors are giving us some of their Manhattan cocktail party perspective of effetes and elites who support the weak, empty, monumentally inexperienced, but trendy Obama.

Sorry, but we real Democrats, not of the Dem-Hating-Leftist contingent, recognize the immensely savvy intelligence, compassion and just plain years of hard work and determination for all the right causes that defines Hillary Clinton's very experienced life and career.

She DESERVES the Democratic nomination BECAUSE SHE'S EARNED THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

The NYTimes can go diss Bill or Gore or Hillary if it gets them sanctuary from the right wing. They can talk about Al Gore not being a real man just a phony, or Hillary stealing furniture from the White House, or whatever trash it is that the 'Grey Lady' has reduced itself to. Or they can feed us all propaganda about the "crisp efficiency" of the Bush-Cheney administration when the "adults" returned to take charge. So we can understand why they don't want Hillary to fight back against the Obama campaign's sleazy Rovian tactics and the media's full-court assault on Hillary for trying to fight back against them. Like the race-baiting campaign that Obama's camp, with the gleeful help of the media, turned around and played against the Clintons. They taught Karl Rove a few things themselves with that one.

To Democrats, the Clintons have always had massively more moral authority than the media establishment. The New York Times wouldn't win one Democratic primary in any state against Hillary, or Bill, or Al.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:08 AM
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15. I can't even begin to say what a thoroughly stupid post this is
--everybody to their own delusion, I guess.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:57 AM
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10. Calling off the dogs isn't going to help her at this point

She IS one of them.
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:27 AM
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11. What it means is Obama doesn't have the mettle to beat Hillary
With all of his advantages, Obama still cannot put her away.

Obama has more more money.
Obama has the media on his side.
Obama has a more vocal support group.

Obama is still running even-up to Hillary going in to Denver.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:29 AM
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12. I'd be happy if the media reported her "obliterate Iran" talk.
Considering they spent a week, nonstop, on "bitter-gate," one would think the threat to nuke a country would get a little print. Hasn't happened yet . . . in this country, anyway.
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dan2002 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:54 AM
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13. RE: Meanness & Negativity
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:55 AM by dan2002
It is evident to me the hatred is very well represented on these blogs. The meanness and negativity that everyone attributes to Hillary pales in comparison to the hate speak on these blogs towards her.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:06 AM
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14. I never used to "hate" her until she started with the Rovian bullshit
and destroying the Democratic Party.

Any "hatred" voiced here was brought on by herself and her own slimeball tactics. She and Obama are actually on the same team. She could have used his talking points to make a case for herself and against McCain without smearing Obama with fake outrage over gaffes and over-parsing. She could have used "bitter-gate" (which would never have even happened if she hadn't had her goon squad out looking for gaffes they could build into major bullshit) to make the case for why she would be better at resolving the people's poor economic conditions--instead of pretending those conditions don't even exist. That is just one example. She has caused Democrats to be pitted one against the other.

She doesn't have the tact, the originality, the imagination, or the genuine compassion of Obama. She is cold and calculating and has brought on her own ruination. It's called karma, and I can't wait for the day her slow-motion train wreck reaches its final meltdown and we can start really campaigning against the Republican instead of the Republican "Democrat."
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:21 AM
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16. k&r
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:54 PM
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19. K & R
:thumbsup:
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