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Smith_3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:08 AM
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I have friends from Iran and I am offended by Hillary Clinton.
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:10 AM by Smith_3
She shows total lack of respect for foreign countries. If this is the tone she will use throughout her precidency, then don't expect a lot of improvement in the image that the USA currently has.

So what she is saying, is she wants to kill my friend for something that the government he hasn't elected is very unlikely to do? Sounds like a typical line from someone who takes hostages and then blames their deaths on the blackmailed person who was unwilling to negotiate.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:11 AM
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1. Of course ..their bombing Isreal would be okay..??
That was the example given remember..but that's okay..right?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:19 AM
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3. the comment was reckless and unnecessary, regardless of the reason n/t
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:19 AM
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4. "bombing Isreal would be okay."

depends will you be visiting....

She's a fucking War whore

Republican Corporatist shit!!!
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:23 AM
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6. Keep piling that hope and unity on us
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:41 AM
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9. So Obama supporters are also anti-semitic as well as sexist and ageist?
Well, isn't it a good thing you aren't racist.

PS. You are clearly someone who failed to take poli sci electives. Nobody goes to the bargaining table with empty guns. The point is to make the possible threat sufficient so that negotiation is sincere and effective.

Truly, I hope Obama's education is better than yours. As well as his manners.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:08 AM
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22. 'Republican corporist shit'...fucking War whore'..the Fall campaign is set!!!
The accuracy of the Hill depiction is startling. Thanks.
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CK dexter Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:57 AM
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17. The OP's friends are planning to bomb Israel?!
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:54 AM
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25. Why are Clinton supporters intent on pushing this strawman argument?
Is it because you have nothing else to fall back on, or what?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:45 PM
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31. What straw man would that be, sweetie?
I've noticed that Obama people only comprehend phrases, not whole sentences and never complete paragraphs.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:51 PM
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34. You seem to be kinda...bitter...about that, aquart.
Oh yeah, I know, it's diiiiifferent when Her Majesty chooses her words poorly.

:rofl:
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:19 AM
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2. Do you really believe that? Because you sound intellectually disingenuous to me.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:21 AM
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5. Let's all join ......
Edited on Wed Apr-23-08 05:22 AM by quickesst
in with the Obalogic chant. One-two-three- "SCREW ISRAEL!!" Yay!! Thanks.
quickesst
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:30 AM
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7. I Know Some Too
and her threat to so easily obliterate their families just sickens me. What the heck has happened to our party? We already know (or suppose) we could but how is threatening to do so ever helpful or warranted?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:43 AM
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10. "So easily obliterate their families"
This would be after they wiped out the millions who live in Israel but are not to be considered human because they are Jews? And these friends of yours are the only people whose deaths you will mourn?

Well, ain't you special. And, really, so full of heart.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:52 AM
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13. So You Think Bin Laden Had A Right To Kill Innocent Americans
because as he sees it the USA government was harming his people? How in the hell would obliterating an entire country make up for the Iranian governments misdoings? They already know we could do it and that we would definitely not allow such an attack. Plus, they are not even capable of such an attack.

This is simply disgusting, antagonizing, juvenile behavior and I fail to understand how any progressive could encourage or excuse it.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 09:04 AM
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27. Progressives?
You lose me there. Progressives are not boosters of either of these centerist, pro for profit health care, pro biz, Patriot Act supporting candidates. The Progressives are those of us who are complaining about both of them the whole time as we are forced to consider them as our only choices. The actual Progressive and the one who is moving that way were rejected out of hand. There is no Progressive in this contest. From my point of view, they both say and do lots of very righty things to get votes. Both of them. I don't like threats of action against any nation including Pakistan, until and unless we are in a moment where threats need to be made as required defensive action is at hand. That means any mere candidate talking about who they'd bomb under what circumstance is a big turn off for me. They've both done it.
And of course Obama uses all of the Fundy preachers in his campaign and at some of his events those hate mongers preached against my family. I tell you this, no Progressive supports the use of minorities to bait a hook to catch bigot votes. Obama and his backers like to act as if those events did not happen. The events they planned and produced with intent, with several famous gay bashers on the bill, one of them was made Master of Ceremonies, and he preached religious intolerance as practiced by his small cult of a church, in a nation of all faiths and all peoples. That is not Progressive. Saying I'll bomb Pakistan is no more Progressive than saying I'll bomb Iran. Of course in Hillary's case she meant after a strike on Israel, the world would take strong action, our nation included. Pakistan gets bombed just because our 'intel' says a criminal is living there. Rememeber our 'intel' about yellow cake and mobile labs? Colin Powell sat at the UN and said 'here it is'. So bombing Pakistan over a claim made by Curveball is not a Progressive notion at all.
If you think Obama is a Progressive, you don't know what a Progressive is. Hillary is not one either, if you need me to say that. But if you think it is Progressive to madly promote a Senator who voted for the Patriot Act and Cheney's energy bill, who plays gay baiting cards for fun, you are sadly and smugly mistaken.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:47 PM
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32. What bluenorthwest said.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:44 PM
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28. What a completely ridiculous assumption.
They don't make you take logic courses in your high school, I take it?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:36 AM
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8. One of my Iranian neighbors was so excited to get his family here on the lottery.
We've been talking about it for weeks. This is one of the nicest guys I've ever had the pleasure of having for a neighbor.

I cannot tell you how fucking embarrassed I was to call myself a Democrat when this subject came up with him. He said his family is feeling quite uneasy about how much prejudice they will encounter here upon their move. I felt physically ill.

My husband's doctor is also from Iran. Granted he's been here a long time now, but all the recent talk about bombing Iran (pre-Hillary, of course) makes him wonder if his patients feel uneasy with him.

Disgusting all the way around.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:45 AM
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11. Some of you trolls just don't stop trying, do you.
What a pathetic little outburst of nonsense.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:00 AM
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14. In the case the "Trolls" are correct.
Why expand an already illegal war? Let's, U.S., stop the war instead. Work for Peace, negotiate, differences. Act like adults instead of emulating the arrested development of our government.

Hillery is wrong on this (& many others) subject. There has been several working solutions to the Israel/Palestine problems over the years. The U.S. is always in the background sabotaging them somehow. Why?
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:01 AM
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19. Obama isn't against bombing Iran either "if need be".
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:00 AM
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18. Must not have heard Obama say he is for bombing Iran if need be.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:45 AM
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12. She is irresponsible, not merely "disrespectful"
and her followers who rationalize this sort of talk are anti-FDR, anti-Nuremberg framework, anti-collective, anti-UN predators like she is.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:53 AM
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15. All I've heard from American politicians is "bomb Iran"
and not a peep about the violation of human rights of Iranian Sufis and Bahai. Instead of the incessant cry that all Iran wants is to nuke Israel (which Iran denies), why not focus on FACTS-that the Iranian state persecutes religious minorities within its borders? Why not address ways for the international community to let Iran know that this is not acceptable? My Sufi and Bahai brothers and sisters have suffered enough--they do not need to be bombed into oblivion because the US sees all Iranians as being the same.
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CK dexter Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 06:55 AM
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16. You don't think sacrificing your friends' lives is a fair price to pay for sweet, pointless revenge?
I'm shocked!

(--that so many democrats would disagree with you.)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:03 AM
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20. Hillary is acting like Lieberman on steroids regarding the Middle East. The NYT took her to task.
On the eve of this crucial primary, Mrs. Clinton became the first Democratic candidate to wave the bloody shirt of 9/11. A Clinton television ad — torn right from Karl Rove’s playbook — evoked the 1929 stock market crash, Pearl Harbor, the Cuban missile crisis, the cold war and the 9/11 attacks, complete with video of Osama bin Laden. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” the narrator intoned.

If that was supposed to bolster Mrs. Clinton’s argument that she is the better prepared to be president in a dangerous world, she sent the opposite message on Tuesday morning by declaring in an interview on ABC News that if Iran attacked Israel while she were president: “We would be able to totally obliterate them.”

By staying on the attack and not engaging Mr. Obama on the substance of issues like terrorism, the economy and how to organize an orderly exit from Iraq, Mrs. Clinton does more than just turn off voters who don’t like negative campaigning. She undercuts the rationale for her candidacy that led this page and others to support her: that she is more qualified, right now, to be president than Mr. Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/opinion/23wed1.html?hp


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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:03 AM
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21. Both candidates have said they would bomb nuclear sites if the need arose. They aren't going to say
they won't under any circumstances. Don't take it so personal. They aren't threatening your friends to hurt your feelings.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:49 PM
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33. "Obliterate Iran" is not quite the same...
as bombing nuclear facilities, and you damn well know it.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 05:43 PM
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36. And you damn well know that is what she was refering to.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:27 AM
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23. that a presidential candidate can speak of "obliterating" a nation . . .
and its people is disgusting and scary beyond words and demonstrates an appalling lack of compassion, foresight, and imagination that, imo, totally disqualifies that person from consideration for the office . . .

such talk reflects "Bushthink" in the extreme, and there should be no place for it (or the candidate espousing it) in our nation's future or its governance . . . if our nation even HAS a future, that is . . .
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:52 AM
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24. With her comments, Hillary has shown herself too irresponsible to be president.
We don't need another Bush and Cheney in the White House.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 07:54 AM
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26. No shit. What an awful thing to say.
People freaked out when Barack suggested that we focus more on Pakistan in the so-called "War on Terror".
Shit, that was NOTHING compared to nuking an entire country and obliterating them.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:45 PM
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29. Obama's missile strikes will only tickle them. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:45 PM
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30. Remember her Putin comments? Diplomacy isn't her strong suit I see.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 04:51 PM
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35. Yes, she's after your friend.
Tell "your friend" to be on the lookout.

:rofl:
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