Congrats Clinton on the victory in PA, but I'm confused...

[quantass]

with a 8.5 to 10% win that she got doesnt that make her chances of catching up to Obama a little more difficult considering we've all heard and used the delegate calculators to see that she requires a 20pt+ victory in each state onward before she can even pass him? So was the victory more for her or for him?

I dk i'm probably missing something.

[Uben]

1. The pledged delegate race is over.....

....neither can win it. It now goes to the SDs to pick the candidate who can win the most electoral votes in November.

[SunsetDreams]

2. yes it does make it more difficult, because she needed a blow out

She now has to win the rest of the states by 80% to catch him

[thoughtcrime1984]

3. Those who speak of electoral vote potential as if

it definitely benefits Hillary, do not understand the very simple fact that the different opponent in the equation (McCain) produces different results. ie. Even though Hil wins PA by 8 over Obama, does not guarantee she'll fare better than him against a different opponent. He actually is looking better in polls vs. McCain, although we are 6+ months out.

[izzie]

15. Being old I look at this coming from another age.

Now I think of Obama as a very elegant man who is needed at this time and will vote for him but I can see many my age calling him an 'uppity' person and they would use with the N word. No way in hell will they vote for him. Clinton being a women who has never seemed to 'know her place' by the same type ends up in the same spot. The same old white men will win. It does not help that Clinton is doing all she can to tear obama down. All these people have to do is find some reason not to vote for these two and custom of how they have thought all their lives will give it to them. So land on with me with a ton of bricks and say I am racist. I am not as far as I know, it is just how I see this play out. The people who were racist in my youth did pass much along to their children you know. My age people who now have grandchildren are the same people who turned over school bus in the time my children were in grade school. We have come a long way but the old people are still around and handed down their thinking and are still voting. I am very sorry to see it this way. I think Obama is a man for our times and I do not think more of what we have had for 25 years will do us any good. Clinton, McCain are just more of the Bush stuff.

[thoughtcrime1984]

18. Thanks for your insight.

It's going to be tough, and he has known that all along. But if we don't try to break this barrier with all we've got now, when are we going to try? We have an amazing, well-spoken, highly intelligent candidate, who is motivated to work on our behalf, and allow us to participate in OUR gov't. We must seize this opportunity and work to get our fantastic DEMOCRATIC candidate into the WH. It is time to right some wrongs.

[izzie]

24. I am with you on this and so are my children but I was

just telling you how I see it in my mind. I am in my 70's so have not come out of this new age people and I would say my father was some what for all white people but my mother was not like that at all. My sister and I turned out very open minded about every one and I have passed that on to my children but since I lived in the South when they were mixing up the schools and King was still alive I have got some of this stuck in my mind and I still see it in people every place. Customs of how people live and think are very hard to change. My hobby has always been reading history and I like the social part of it best. It was my minor in college.

[Yossariant]

4. Right. You're missing something. The RULE is 2025 delegates -- not "who's ahead."

Obama fans continue to want to make up new rules as they go along.

If Obama fans want to play "Who's ahead?" She is.

More PEOPLE have voted for Clinton than have voted for Obama.

[rox63]

7. "More people" means squat in a primary

The delegates are what counts in a primary. Read the rules.

[Yossariant]

8. "More delegates" means squat in a primary. The RULE is 2025. Read the rules.

[jefferson_dem]

12. So you really think Hillary will convince 2/3+ of the remaining uncommited supers to hand her

the election after she has lost the delegate race that involves actual voters? Good luck with that one.

[Yossariant]

14. I am merely explaining to the confused OP and the likewise confused what they are missing.

[Orsino]

22. Then let's be honest about Clinton's strategy.

It's to be the nominee no matter how people have voted, and no matter how the remaining states split. It's to overturn all the primaries and caucuses.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

5. She needs to win the remaining contests by 71%

She needed to win PA by 65% to make it more plausible for her to stay in the race (she won 54%-46%, 11 points off the margin of victory she needed). Now, if PA was held 6 weeks earlier that would have been achieved. Now it's been proven time and time again that whenever Obama campaigns in a state, her numbers drop.

That's impossible for her, even in KY and WVa. I can see her winning over 55% in both but not 71%. Obama can easily get 20 point leads in North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and the like.

Indiana is very much in play.

[dan2002]

6. Yet she still won!

Yet she still won!

[bowens43]

11. Yet she's still losing!!

[FunkyLeprechaun]

20. So what's your point?

Hillary needed 20 point margins to have a blowout in PA, and she only got it by 8 points? That's like a whimpering cheer.

[jefferson_dem]

9. She's just played her last "big state" card and it was a deuce.

She needed a face card, at least.

[bowens43]

10. She can't win. Now it's about making sure Obama loses the GE.

She's looking at 2012.

[Blarch]

13. Yes.

She just fell behind some more.

[dbmk]

16. yes, it got more difficult

She just passed the point where she 100% needs SDs to make it happen. Technical point, yes. But not a good marker to pass nonetheless.

And more important:

Even if she gets ALL the remaining SDs (There is ofc the chance of people switching, but not going to speculate on that) she still needs at least 40-60 results across the board. Thats doable. But once Indiana and NC is over, that number will look decidedly more bleak for her.

[RBInMaine]

17. So with this 8.5% win, what was the pledged delegate split in PA?

[DangerDave921]

19. Both won

Obama is still in a commanding lead, which is all he needs at this time. So a loss is a win for him.

Clinton won big enough to show some SD's that she's a strong candidate. She cannot catch Obama in actual delegates. It's all now about convincing the SD's to conclude that Obama can't win in November and to choose her instead. It's a stretch but she can make the argument with a straight face after winning by 10 points.

[Perry Logan]

21. Incidently, I've been counting congratulations to the Hillary people. This is the only one so far.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

23. I've always thought

congratulating the 'candidates people' is like someone congratulating me after my daughter scores a goal in a soccer game, nice gesture but I didn't score the goal, so why congratulate me? I realized in the 2004 election that people look on politics like a football game and cheer their 'team' on, I am not of that point of view. I support a candidate for their merit not because of the backing of the candidates people. I see nothing wrong with trying to sway opinion toward the candidate one prefers, but I am not on Team Obama or Team Clinton, so don't congratulate me for a win in a primary state.