Is an 8.5% victory enough for her to continue to fake it?

[Changenow]

I just got up and checked the State results page, the spread is 54.3%- 45.8% .

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

Where did the claim that she won by 10% originate? Is this lie already the truth?

FWIW here's the link to CNN's article with the false numbers reported. Maybe the comments should reflect the real results, since the story doesn't.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/23/ny-times-slams-clintons-negativity/#comment-943844

[forintegrity]

1. In her Rovian book

all lies are the truth if it's to her advantage.

[blogslut]

2. CNN

You're right. The PA State site says it's 8.5%

[Sweet Pea]

3. Is an 8.5% defeat enough

for Oh-BAH-ma! when outspending Hill by a 3-1 margin, with the infamous Oh-BAH-ma momentum and a string of victories behind him but STILL unable to win a big state?

Is that enough for him to keep hoodwinking the masses that he'll be "electable" when he can't close a major election market now?

[cali]

9. He is electable. So is she. The nonsense that he isn't or she isn't

is patently ridiculous. However, she's done. She needed to win by over 10% in PA. And guess what? Governor Brad Henry of OK joins the masses and such other hoodwinkes pols as Pat Leahy and Governor Sebelius. He endorsed Obama this morning. Obama will easily carry NC and Oregon by double digits. He'll be competitive in Indiana. He's approaching the Pelosi number which will trigger a slew of SD endorsements. She just couldn't cut it. Oh, and she's broke.

[Changenow]

10. Interesting points

Obama started this campaign a year ago as the presumptive nominee with an enormous lead and more money than God. With advantages like that Hillary's performance in this race is stunning.

Oh wait...

[FlaGranny]

16. WHAAAAAT?

Get things backwards much, do you?

[Nederland]

38. Reading Comprehension

...is a wonderful thing.

[FlaGranny]

59. Whoops!

Reading comprehension is fine, thanks. ;-) Just missed the "oh wait" part. It's not like a post like that would be unusual.

[Sweet Pea]

49. Yes...very interesting point

Hillary became the presumptive nominee by running up a string of 10 primary wins in a row, has more money that God EVER had, has the endorsement of every major figure this side of Alpha Centauri, but still can't win a major state or close the deal with the voters even after outspending her opponent 3-1.

Oh wait......

[ClayZ]

61. lol

[Window]

21. Winning by 8.5% in a state Hillary was slated to win by a HUGE margin

(33 - 20%) is not a significant win, I don't care how you and camp Hillary spin it.

"Is that enough for him to keep hoodwinking the masses that he'll be "electable" when he can't close a major election market now?"

So, in your estimation, the early big states, that Hillary won -- when she had more money; name recognition; the big status quo Democratic machinery behind her; her "inevitability," "It will be all over by Feb. 5th," and then went on to lose 11 states in a row and is still behind Sen. Obama means what??? Why is she unable to close the deal? Why is she still losing? Who's fault is it her campaign is in debt? She has lied, implied, thrown everything including the kitchen sink at Sen. Obama and is stil behind.

America does not need war-mongering Hillary nor McCain as president. We need President Obama.

[Cha]

63. Ah, another shill for the

lying, negative, smearmongering hilary. Don't drown down there in bilge water.

[DemNoir]

4. NPR thinks so

NPR has been saying 10% all morning.

[thoughtcrime1984]

5. I guess the state of PA website lies then

Anyway, she'll continue on in vain.

[karynnj]

19. CNN was worse using the phrase "double digits"

which is open ended. I guess 8.5% is literally double digits ... if you ignore the decimal point.

[NJmaverick]

6. 10% sounded better, so the media ran with it

The right wing owned media is enjoying watching the destruction camp Clinton is inflecting on the Dems.

[Window]

22. Ratings, ratings, ratings...all at our expense.

They would love to see this go to Denver. Not happening.

[SunsetDreams]

7. I'll go with the State Results, they would know. The Media is spinning this!

[DangerousRhythm]

8. The short answer: Yes. N/T

[Avalux]

11. The media desperately wants her to stay in; she's on CNN right now SPINNINGGGGGG

"I"m the one......blah blah blah". I had a terrible thought last night that even if she drops out of the race, she won't stop running. She will subversively help McCain win so she can run again in 4 years and if Obama does win, she will spend the next 4 years sabotaging him. She's a nightmare.

[SunsetDreams]

12. I agree

[Rosa Luxemburg]

13. what happens if it's 9.4%

[Changenow]

14. It's not, but what if it's 7% ?

Not much point in this game.

[Abacus]

29. CNN's numbers have it as 9.387%

45.31% Obama
54.69% Clinton

[Changenow]

30. But the state tally with 99.07% reporting

is very different than that.

Which count will be used to certify the results?

[Abacus]

33. I went with the one that had more total results in

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ has been slower to get their results out.

[chill_wind]

15. Well. you know, "a win is win"

except for the 30+ primaries and caucuses Obama won. Those don't count.

:-(

[SaveAmerica]

17. Would it have anything to do with Philly area counties not being released until after Clinton's

speech last night? That would give the superdelegates the impression that she won in double digits (how many times did the pundits say that last night?) and she could use it for donation collecting and momentum.

[Changenow]

18. Let's hope the supers

have the sense to check the real results.

[SaveAmerica]

25. Here's exhibit A (just read this thread a couple minutes ago)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5635203

[goclark]

32. Sounds logical nt

[ErinBerin84]

20. honestly, as an Obama supporter,

I was assuming that she was going to get at least 12-14 percent. I had hoped that he would do better than 10%, but I always expected that she would at least get double digits. Last night on the prediction pre-show on MSNBC, Euguene Robinson said "She needs a 12 point or higher win", and Pat started laughing and was like "Setting the bar a bit high now, eh?" and Eugene said "But I'm not the one setting the bar.."

[DangerousRhythm]

23. Same here...

I'm also an Obama supporter and I fully expected her to get at least 12 points, as much as 15.

[Changenow]

24. So did, I but it's criminal that it is being

reported as 10 when it was 8.5.

[DangerousRhythm]

40. "Narrative"

It's all about BS and more BS, it seems, where the media is concerned. Forget being precise... let's round up to ten to make it sound more impressive and create the news story!

It's shameful. If she truly got 10, that'd be great and nobody could take it away from her. However, she did not and really, it does nobody any favors to plump up the number. I wish there were at least one single news source I could point to who's stuck to cold, hard facts in this whole thing.

[goclark]

26. I have heard Bill Press all this morning "10%,double digits"

Some caller corrected him and told him it was 9 % and he still said it was 10% -double digits 1 minute later. :puke:

[DangerousRhythm]

41. I heard the same.

I couldn't listen anymore. I had to switch the channel.

[Changenow]

42. NPR is reporting it too

why isn't there an explanation?

[NorthCarolina]

27. Creative Rounding....it's fully explained in the Republican electioneering handbook

On fixing percentages to your advantage

For instance:

80% of the electorate is against changing/eliminating the Estate Tax since doing so only benefits the wealthy with huge "estates", however strangely enough 80% of the electorate is in support of eliminating the "Death Tax" because apparently everyone dies.

[NC_Nurse]

28. Apparently.

:eyes:

[goclark]

31. Do the math please, , this is not "Double D's"

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=13&ElectionID=27&OfficeID=1

with 99.09 % reporting

Unless CNN is counting the votes for the State of PA -------

[Doctor_J]

34. It's no longer about getting the nomination. It's about getting McSame elected in November

Her scorched Earth campaign has rendered her unelectable this year, and has damaged our REAL chance for change - Obama. She is now hoping that McSame beats Obama in November so she can try again in 2012.

[Changenow]

35. And every little lie helps. nt

[Changenow]

36. And every little lie helps. nt

[goclark]

37. It is more about the "Double D" label that MSM is giving it

to make it sound like it is a "blow out."

That was the bar that they designed and that is not what is being recorded the last time that I checked.

[Changenow]

39. It's outrageous that this is

reported at all, but the fact that so many believe it is even more incredible.

People are posting diaries that 9.4% isn't 10%! We are part of the lie.

[goclark]

43. Latest remains the same ~ Not Double D's

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=13&ElectionID=27&OfficeID=1

[Changenow]

44. How is it that the seven us

here in GD are the only people in America who know this?

[Doctor_J]

48. That's like saying only seven of us know that Bush lied about Saddam's WMD

In fact everyone with functioning neurons (so everyone except Fox News/hate radio fans) knows it to be true. But the MSM is deathly afraid of a progressive president, esp a black one, so anyone who says the truth out loud will be ignored, Rather'd, or Wellstoned.

[Changenow]

45. How is it that the seven us

here in GD are the only people in America who know this?

[Changenow]

46. How is it that the seven us

here in GD are the only people in America who know this?

[goclark]

47. Strange I agree:" Hello everyone, it is not DD's!"

Can you imagine if it was the other way around?

He cut her lead in half in a state that was to be a "blow out" for her and they can't even do the little bitsy math or look at the State website.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInforma...

If it changes, let me know please

[jenmito]

50. I was wondering about that all night. The votes aren't even all in and they're declaring it a

"double digit lead." I KNEW it was BS. And when someone responded to Scarborough and Mitchell this morning when they asked, "How do you feel with Obama's double digit loss" by saying, "It was a very LOW double digit loss," they laughed and said that was the best spin yet. :eyes:

We should all email the REAL results to all the news shows. Last night I emailed MSNBC and asked why they have TX as a solid Hillary win when Obama won the state with delegates, they showed TX STRIPED this morning! I don't know if it was just me or lots of people doing the same thing, but for some reason they changed it to striped today!

[goclark]

51. Yea for you!

[jenmito]

53. Thanks! I hope lots of us will email the channels about THIS lie about the total vote!

:hi:

[backscatter712]

52. Not convincingly, though she and the MSM will try...

[jenmito]

54. I just sent this email to MSNBC and CNN:

I just want to set the record straight-Hillary Clinton did NOT win by double digits. So far, with 99.44% of the districts counted, she's winning by 9.2%:

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM) 1,237,696- 54.6%
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM) 1,029,672- 45.4%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

PLEASE STOP MISLEADING EVERYONE.

[goclark]

57. I just checked a minute ago. I think they are

playing with the numbers.

Watch ~ it will be 12% next.

[jenmito]

58. Thanks, goclark! Yeah, I'm watching!

:hi:

[Sensitivity]

55. I don't understand this. MSM stil using 10%

[jenmito]

56. According to the OP's link, it's now 9.2% difference-closer to 9 than 10.

But the media wants the "double digit victory" story line.

[FrenchieCat]

60. Shouldn't be, if it wasn't for her corporate media shills!

[goclark]

62. HC wrote the 2nd chapter of the Rove Play Book

and she is working it with McCain.

I just watched a good cop/bad cop farce with the AD of Obama and the Rev.

HC knows better than that but she keeps it up.

Now McCain is pretending to say to back off the Ad but guess what~ the Republican Party officials in NC "won't pull it."

I blame HC for this because she gave the signal that this would be the tactic.

As much as I want him to win, I don't want him to destroy the content of his character.

I want him to set an example, a standard of decency for the world.