How did we go from being ahead by 20 and "she has to win by large double digits"

[EffieBlack]

to "She won by a whopping 10 points so she's the COMEBACK KID and Obama has a serious, serious problem because he 'can't close the deal?'"

[goclark]

1. And it's now at 8.5% and

3% of Philly has not been counted

[Ganja Ninja]

17. That's important news.

And here's a link to confirm it.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

So not a "double digit" win Hill fans. Obama gained substantial ground in the 3 weeks of campaigning in PA. Why didn't Hillary pad the lead she was suppose to have 3 weeks ago if this was such a big win?

[SoCalDem]

37. you'll only ever see it HERE though.. along with the truth about NV , NH & Texas

Even Corzine said she needed to win PA "REALLY BIG" to justify staying in..

they are like coke addicts..get a hit..and get all fired up..even though it won't last.. they'll just steal some more money & get another hit..later

[rainy]

2. yea really. I'm so sick of the media picking our candidates. They always destroy

the one the progressives want the most. I say we fuck the media and go right to the super-deligates and convince them to choose neither and pick Al Gore. Just think. We would have completely screwed the big donors and the big media at the same time.

[Shae]

33. not to mention

screwing the little donors, the Clinton supporters, the Obama supporters, and Clinton and Obama themselves.

Actually, if Al Gore were to buy into a plan such as that, I'd lose a lot of respect for him

[rainy]

34. What if Obama should have won and Hillary manages to convince the Supers

to vote for her or worse yet she and her corporate cronies steal the vote. And, what if Gore chooses Obama to be his vice? Would you feel different about it then?

[Shae]

35. If Obama wins and

Hillary becomes the nominee because the superdelegates overturn the will of the voters, I will be EXTREMELY upset. I may take to the streets!

However, Al Gore did not run in this election. Clinton and Obama have both worked their butts off for over a year, while Al Gore has not lifted a finger. What has he done to earn it? I voted for Obama and so did most people who voted in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. If the trend continues, Obama should rightly be the nominee.

And are you suggesting that Obama should be given the VP as some sort of consolation prize?

[rainy]

36. Not at all and I feel the same way. I would only like to see Al step in if Hillary

gets the super-delegates votes and Obama gets nothing. Then I'd really like to see Gore step in and take Obama as a running mate.

[Shae]

38. OIC

Sorry, I misunderstood you.

I don't think that the superdelegates will overturn the will of the people. For one thing, think of how it would look to African-Americans. One of them finally gets elected to be the Presidential nominee, and it's taken away by the rich white lady? That wouldn't go over big. I've heard more than a few say they would leave the party FOREVER -- and the Democratic party cannot survive without them. Superdelegates probably have figured that out too.

Let's just see how it plays out. I really think Obama will be the nominee, and I think he'll win the election.

:hi:

[davidpdx]

3. It's called moving the goal posts

[EffieBlack]

13. Tim Russert is now parrotting the Buchanan/Scarborough talking point

Isn't it interesting that the pundits are now all mouthing the identical phrase - a phrase that lays out a new standard that did not previously exist. Since when did Obama have to win Pennsylvania in order to be viable in this race? He was NEVER expected to win there and, until yesterday, the conventional wisdom was that Hillary must win by large double digits in order to have even a chance of catching up to him.

Funny how, not only the goalposts have moved, but they're all using the exact same script.

[InfiniteNether]

18. Did you see the glee on Russert's face last night? He was overjoyed that Obama didn't win.

[davidpdx]

22. Actually I'm overseas

and we moved recently, so we lost CNN. I wasn't able to watch any coverage. That actually may have been a good thing.

[izzie]

20. To win is the name of the game, not how you do it.

I like to think how you do it counts but not with the likes of Bush and Clinton. What was left in side my head always counter with me but one does not find that in all. I hope Obama does not go to her level. He does have to end up living with him self. Dorian Gray is alive and well in DC

[EffieBlack]

27. If winning is the most important thing

no matter how you do it, please explain to me again how we're different from the other guys?

[izzie]

31. I do not think winning the game is the only thing but many do

Doing what is right has always been what I have liked to do even if I miss the point many times. I think Clinton/Bush group will go for a win no matter how they have to do it. I hope Obama will stay about it. Maybe the WH is not set up for an elegant man.

[forintegrity]

4. That, my friend, is called "SPIN"

and desperation!!!

[d00mzday]

12. SPIN SPIN

and more SPIN. I agree with you my friend. The media would love nothing more than to keep this going along with hillary.

[forintegrity]

15. Oh yeah

RW MSM is loving this!

[Epiphany4z]

5. I just want to know

what the game plan for Clinton is...Obama has the lead in delegates, popular vote, hes won more states, brings in more new voters, and raises boat loads more money..how can anyone possible conceive of overturning all that and still think they can win the GE.

Us die hard political junkies would still vote for Hillary but she would lose a huge section of new voters . I know I will vote dem no matter what but its would be really really hard for me to vote for Hillary she has soured my opinion of her so much during this campaign.

[lisa58]

10. I hear ya...

...last night was the first time my husband actually said he might not be able to vote for Hillary. He has been nagging me for threatening a defection from the party and now Hillary has just turned him off. I'm sure we'll get over it, if we have to, but I hate being in this position.

[lisa58]

6. It's that alternate universe inhabited by the Clintons

[Alexander]

7. I would say "1,715½ is a greater number than 1,590½ ".

Obama only needs about 308 delegates to win. In other words, at this point if all the superdelegates endorsed Obama, he'd be the nominee.

[TheZug]

8. It's a totally phony line in the sand, obediently gobbled up by the sheeple in the media.

[DangerousRhythm]

9. "Close the deal"

I'm hearing this stupid phrase everywhere now, wondering exactly who said it first. I hate when the MSM jumps on ridiculous talking points that campaigns spew and just spread the inaccuracy as if it's fact. It's sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy thing... not cool at all.

[C_U_L8R]

11. And Hillary's so broke...

her boloney has no first name!

Hillary's so broke she's got to borrow a nickel just to rub two together.

Hillary's so broke, the bank asked for their calendar back.

Hillary's so broke, she goes to KFC to lick other people's fingers.

Hillary's so broke, she eats cornflakes with a fork to save milk.

Hillary's so broke, even the Republicans are willing to give her welfare.

Hillary's so broke, she can't afford to pay attention.

[EffieBlack]

16. Ha ha - thanks for the laugh!

[Shae]

14. from Americablog

"A fundamentally unchanged race"
An email from the Obama campaign provides an analysis of where things stand now -- and how little things have changed despite Hillary Clinton's long anticipated victory in Pennsylvania:

Tonight, Hillary Clinton lost her last, best chance to make significant inroads in the pledged delegate count.

The only surprising result from Pennsylvania is that in a state considered tailor-made for Hillary Clinton that she was expected to win, Barack Obama was able to improve his standing among key voter groups since the Ohio primary. For example, among white voters, Obama narrowed the gap with Clinton by six points. Among voters over 60, he nearly cut the gap in half, from 41 points to 24 points. And Independent voters – the group that will decide the general election and a group Obama is particularly strong with – were not able to vote in Not surprisingly, she led by as much as 25 points in the weeks leading up to the election.

As he has done in every state, Barack Obama campaigned hard to pick up as much support and as many delegates as possible and was able to stave off Clinton from achieving a significant pledged delegate gain from Pennsylvania.

The bottom line is that the Pennsylvania outcome does not change dynamic of this lengthy primary. While there were 158 delegates at stake there, there are fully 157 up for grabs in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries on May 6.

http://www.americablog.com/

[EffieBlack]

19. Great points - we won't hear them from the pundits, though

since it doesn't fit their narrative.

[Shae]

25. They're making too much money

keeping the race alive by creating the perception that HRC still has a chance to win the nomination.

[MannyGoldstein]

21. Clinton's Rocket-Propelled Goalposts [nt]

[City Lights]

23. The media wants this to drag on as long as possible.

And they legitimize what she's doing by treating her like a viable candidate. If she were Jane Doe rather than Hillary CLINTON, they would have treated her candidacy like a joke long ago. The media is keeping her afloat.

[Life Long Dem]

24. When you get technical, it's not even a double digit win.

Technical, simply means rounding the numbers correctly and not rounding the numbers to favor Clinton.

[karynnj]

26. They rounded to the nearest multiple of 5% - which we all of course routinely do - don't we

She reminds me of when my youngest sister was about 3 years old and would come to me and her other siblings and tell us we lost and which marker was ours in a children's board game that she had just played moving all the pieces herself. We thought it funny, but she quit doing it when she was 4 or 5.

This morning CNN was discussing the Obama claim that he had a commanding lead to the nomination. It was beyond strange - they admitted that yes, his lead in pledged delegates was insurmountable and that he had won more states, but .... Has any other LOSING, LAGGING candidate gotten anywhere near this amount of support? The closest I remember was a lone deluded NYT OP-ED (note NOT editorial) that the Democratic nominee would be John - but the last name wasn't fixed - arguing for Edwards, who at that time had won 1 state to Kerry's 16 and was behind by double digits in the next week's events that Kerry easily essentially clinched the nomination. This year, with a much closer election, it's a HUGE segment of the media - likely intimidated by the Clintons.

[EffieBlack]

32. Exactly

As I noted in another thread, they rounded the numbers first, THEN subtracted, making the margin appear larger than it is. The actual margin is 8.4%, which, when rounded properly, is 8%, not even close to "double digits."

But what would they be talking about if this morning if this was a single-digit win?

[my3boyz]

28. Usually I'm upset by the spin but I'm actually laughing about it today. nt

[Life Long Dem]

29. Yeah it doesn't bother me either.

Probably because I turned the channel last night when Joe Scarborough started his song and dance with the 3 to 1 buy in PA. I tuned in this morning to see it went from 8.5% to 10, and saw DK had it at 9.38% but still less than the double digit 10 points. All of this is why I think the majority of people don't buy MSM's propaganda.

[NC_Nurse]

30. It's called bullshit and our media love to feed it to us.

Sigh.

[backscatter712]

39. That's our fascist media.

They will do absolutely everything in their power to destroy Obama.

It's not news you watch on CNN, FAUX Noise, or even MSNBC - it's propaganda. Same with Scaife papers, anything owned by Rupert Murdoch, most everything else that's considered "mainstream media."

Run by fucking fascists.