I am truly embarrassed this morning, after reading the posts from Obama supporters

[Tarc]

I mean, what the fuck? The only salient point that these people can take from last night's results is "OMG IT WASN'T A DOUBLE-DIGIT VICTORY SHE ONLY WON BY 9.38 AND THEY'RE STILL COUNTING!!!"

:puke:

Is there some magical difference in .5 or so percentage points? Does it really lessen Clinton's victory, or ease Obama's loss, if it is closer to 9% than 10%.

Find some dignity, Obama fans. For you own sake.

[Catherina]

1. Thank goodness Hide Thread is back n/t

[Maribelle]

22. And you came into the thread to indicate you're going to hide it?

Others that have done this have appeard to me as merely seeking attention for themselves. Sadly, that kind of egoism is devoid of all logic.

[polpilot]

49. Why can't Clinton 'close'? Pro-war Hillary voters haven't been 'enuff in the primaries 4 her.

Why is she losing to Obama?

[indimuse]

56. omg..

truly pathetic!

[Voltaire]

2. Bugger off!

I just needed to say that this morning.

[NJmaverick]

3. Are you really that ignorant of the facts or is this flame bait?

[dkf]

4. Actually it does make a huge difference because there are only

so many contests left and margin of victory or lack thereof is the only story left.

Its the MATH stupid...

[Tyler Durden]

5. This primary is a total loss for both sides.

Once again, the Democratic Party deftly and skillfully snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

I remember last year at this time..."Generic Democrat" beat all comers by double digits. Now look what we've got.

[shadowknows69]

16. Careful Tyler

I'm feeling that my "Greatest Cynic Alive" title may be in jeopardy. Still love ya tho bro. B-)

[Tyler Durden]

28. The picture is Diogenes.

my hero.

[shadowknows69]

31. And he should probably be mine too

Thanks for the Greek lesson. I consider myself pretty good with Greek Philosophy but I admit I had to look him up.

Edit to add, changed from Mythology to Philosophy

[Tyler Durden]

38. You don't qualify anymore!

Hey, I read your stuff. You're still on "The Stump."

Personally, I've put 200 bucks on McCain beating Obama. I got 4 to 1 odds because I made the bet the moment I figured McCain had the nomination.

[shadowknows69]

42. Bad Tyler

I'm negating your negative energy as we speak. It's possible you don't remember Reagans second term? I love my eighty year old grandmother but I wouldn't give her an Army to play with, and she's smarter than McCain, but she drifts ya know? We have to stop the old man at all costs.
S

[Tyler Durden]

64. "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out!"

It took a Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus to start the ball rolling that brought down Rome.

Maybe McCain is the "keystone" that when it rots will destroy the arch.

Everything dies. Maybe it's time.

[LWolf]

51. Agreed. n/t

[rox63]

6. She needed a huge victory (20%+) to have a chance of catching up to Obama

She didn't get that. She will net about 10 or 12 pledged delegates more than Obama in PA, which does very little to cut into his lead.

[bowens43]

7. Yes, it makes a difference, especially in perception.

It's just like paying 3.49 9/10 for a gallon of gas is psychologically different then paying 3.50.

[Tarc]

19. So the Obama camp is really naive enough

to swear never to pay, say $10 for something, But if the store lists it at $9.99, they'll snatch it up in a heartbeat?

Interesting. And by "interesting", I mean "sigh heavily at their stupidity".

[karynnj]

37. It's not rounding 9,99 to 10, but something like 8,5 or the OP's 9.3 to 10

Sorry, doing this on the 4th grade math test will be scored wrong and you will be well on your way to adding to the total of kids left behind at your school.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

8. if it is not double digits then the MSM's wrong

[kstewart33]

23. Love your pix, Bambino! nt

[zulchzulu]

53. Precisely...last I checked...9 is not a "double-digit"...

Maybe for those uneducated, unemployed, racist bitter Clinton voters it is...by look it up, folks. 9 is a single digit.

[JoFerret]

60. Racist?

Hmm. How did the voting break out again - by demographic groups?

[B Calm]

9. So tell us, how many delegates did each one get?

[crim son]

10. I'm afraid I haven't read the threads

but being an Obama supporter, I thank you for your concern for our dignity. Don't let our shame taint your righteousness though. That'd be just too bad.

[guyanakoolaid]

11. No more embarrassing than Hillary supporters

She's down, in the bottom of the ninth, with two out, down 100+ runs, and they're cheering because she hit a single.

[Ninga]

12. DU is a kitchen. Full of flying pots and pans. Those who cry about others flinging pans,

contribute to the atmosphere.

Dignity begins at home. Calling out others, even if they aren't dignified, shows a lack of dignity.

[karynnj]

40. As a parent, if one of my kids were crying because the other flung a pan,

I know which one would go in time out - and it wouldn't be the one crying.

Here, the Obama supporters are not crying, but disgusted by the behavior of people who were once the leaders of our party.

[shadowknows69]

13. The Goddess of War set that threshold herself

I'm not sure where I saw the quote but she said she needed 10%, they weren't just words were they?

[my3boyz]

14. You have some dignity and realize that it is OVER and your candidate lost! nt

[madame defarge]

15. I am truly embarrassed...

that we have a candidate like Hillary running for president.

You want dignity from Obama supporters? Hillary supporters don't even know the meaning of dignity.

[NoPasaran]

66. I'm truly embarrassed

That nitwits like you think you're Democrats.

[madame defarge]

68. I rest my case.

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Rush's drones didn't try hard enough

Can we have a recount?

:rofl:

[peace13]

It is amazing to me that so many Dems are willing to let rethugs

determine who their candidate will be. I just don't see it.

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. No way to stop it - I've done the same to the republicans

[peace13]

46. Yes there is a way.

This endless primary allows rethug manipulation at the polls and in the media. We need to end this thing. In addition we need to go back to a shorter primary season. This marathon was designed to work against us. I fear that it is working.

[yourguide]

18. Still missing some of Obamas markets

99% in and it's looking closer to 8%

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[kstewart33]

24. Good catch. Thanks! nt

[Shae]

20. Doesn't make much difference to me

whether its 9% or 10%.
She's still losing. She isn't going to win.

[baldguy]

21. She needed 20+ points to stay in. She got 10.

IT'S OVER. SHE LOST.

[kstewart33]

26. Make that less than 10. With 99.09% of the vote in,

she's ahead by 8.6%.

[C_U_L8R]

25. She spent all her money defending her own turf

She has amassed over $10 million in debt.. and all those contributions are just servicing the interest.
Her campaign is dead in the water without funding (and some better money management)

It was also mentioned on another thread that the FEC can deem
these unpaid bills as illegal campaign contributions.
Like the $4 million owed to Mark Penn. Hillary is flirting with disaster.

[peace13]

27. Here's a positive thought for you.

Great Job Hill Dem's, you have managed to keep your candidate in the race. I think it is wonderful that you back someone who says that she will OBLITERATE countries of her choice with nuclear weapons . You must have great faith in her judgment. You are deep thinkers! I hope that some day we can talk about the real issues...her Iraq war, the lack of health care in the US even though she is a seasoned tried and true elected official...still no health care. Get real, if you think that she is for the middle class you are in for a big surprise. Unfortunately you are too blind to see that she fights, acts and votes like the * that she is. We will all suffer for your arrogance. For the record, I have held back on Hill attacks in the past but I am over that now. Hill will be the next ticket to unending war on this planet and I take my gloves off today.

[mmonk]

29. 10 points was the magical and fictional blowout trumpeted

by the Clinton campaign because they knew it wouldn't be a real blowout and they need to convince the superdelegates to overturn the pledged delegates. The media wants to trumpet it as well because they want a bloodbath (good for ratings). The hope is to create a false pressure from voters that don't really do the math nor really realize the odds or lack of change in position for their candidate. Any attempt to chip away at this false positive will be taken by many Obama supporters in the know as it may make the media look foolish.

[TankLV]

32. They never would be "satisfied" - it's all the spin from the entire campaign staff here...

they have nothing better to do than bomb places like this...

if she won by 12 instead of TEN percent like she did, they'd be spewing it wasn't 14 or 16 or some other nonsense...

HILLARY WON BIG!!!

obama LOST BIGTIME!!!

obama has PEAKED...

[karynnj]

33. It has been the Clinton campaign that has said it is "psychology, not math"

They have to know why we are insisting that it is not "DOUBLE DIGITS". CNN and NPR are both saying she won by double digits, not by 10% which would be the lowest possible result that is genuinely double digits. If the Clintons and their media allies stopped distorting the results to create an unwarranted psychological impact - than we will stop trying to explain basic arithmetic. I know my kids learned rounding in elementary school - so why have most of the media showed they can't do what every elementary student - not left behind - is expected to do. (Maybe this lack of math skills is part of why her campaign is in trouble.)

Why are Clinton people here speaking of double digits and talking about national popular vote in the primaries - where it has NEVER been a metric that anyone ever looked at - and I've followed the primaries since the 1960s.

[CoffeeCat]

34. I guess I'm just disgusted by all of this...

I'm sorry that you're puking. I'm sorry that you're "truly embarrassed this morning."

It's just incredibly disconcerting to see this slow-grinding charade played out. She
can't win. Do you understand that?

Obama will erase the delegates and popular votes that she gained in PA---with his win in South Carolina.

Her victories are hollow, but she continues to perpetuate each win as some kind of, "This is it!! This
is my firewall!!! I'm the nominee now!!" Pardon me, if I'm not into spin and if I'm not jazzed about
a Dem candidate who is demeaning our entire primary process.

Pardon me, but I'm sick of the bullshit---because it's all in vain. I'm sick of the attacks--because
they're all in vain. I'm sick of her spinning--because it's all in vain.

It doesn't matter how smart she is. How many whiskey shots she does. How many times she dipped her
toe in Lake Winola. None of it matters--because there's no way she can win the nomination.

She can't win. Do the math. Please--add some numbers, do a little subtracting, maybe some multiplying
and you will see. She cannot win. The calculator is your friend.

Everything you see now--with respect to this primary is in vain. He will still have more pledged
delegates at the end of the line--and the Supers will not usurp the will of the people. There's no way.

Pardon me--but I'm sick of the delusions that perpetuate the notion that she has a chance--because she has
no chance.

So, I guess sometimes...out of frustration, disgust and fatigue---I don't have glowing praise for Hillary--a
candidate who wakes up every day and perpetuates illusions that help her --but hurt our party.

I'd keep that puke bucket next to your side, because you'll need it. As long as she continues this charade,
Obama supporters like me will continue to speak out about her heartless exercise in futility that is only
shredding our Dem nominee and chipping away at our party's chances in the General Election.

[RBInMaine]

35. And for HillFANS to spin this up into some huge "victory" is also "EMBARASSING".

You people are living under the DELUSION that winning by less than 10% when she was ahead by 20+ six weeks ago (up to 30 points ahead in late '07), had MASSIVE (yes, MASSIVE) name recognition, local machine, and demographics advantages going in, is some kind of huge "victory". In fact, you should be asking why Obama was able to cut her lead from six weeks ago in half. She was supposed to win. She was going to win. It was a forgone conclusion. She needed a blowout. Spin away all you want, but she did not get it even though she tried every ploy imaginable. Yes, she won. She did what was already determined. Good for her as far as that. But don't go making more of it than it is. You know the demographics and other factors were HEAVILY in her favor. That's just the reality of it.

[TankLV]

39. you babies are really pathetic - but what we all expected...

it's really comical...

I'm rethinking my decision to support the nominee if it does turn out to be that pandering bigot obama...

I figured it would be nasty here this morning with all the wailing and nashing of teeth by the obamabots, but this is way over the top...

HAHA!!!

HILLARY WON - BIGTIME!!!

Chew on that...!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[RBInMaine]

43. You are indeed DELUSIONAL. She was 20 up. Won by 8.5. She LOST the needed MATH. DEAL WITH IT !

[CoffeeCat]

45. What exactly did she "win"????

She can't catch up in delegates.

Do you own a calculator?

You can pick one up at Walgreen's for under $5.
.
Check into it.

Yes, she did "win" PA--that's nice. It's a nice win, but in the end--she won't be the nominee, so I'm
unclear on what all of you are celebrating.

She "won"--but she can't catch up in the delegate count, and that's the only thing that matters.

Obama's upcoming win in Carolina will erase the delegates and popular votes she gained in PA. This will go
back and forth until the end--and she knows it.

And we get to listen to her pontificating for several more weeks--while our nominee is being bloodied and our
party is further torn apart.

So, ok fine---she "won', but in the end--she loses. Guess what? It doesn't matter.

Do the math.

[Tarc]

52. Winning now shows us that Obama is the weaker candidate

as we head towards the finale. Hopefully enough superdelegates will step up and turn down Obama, for the good of us all.

[CoffeeCat]

61. That's bullroar...and you know it...

Some states favor Clinton. Some states favor Obama.

Your logic is flawed.

Winning ONE state does not define the other candidate as "the weaker candidate." Both
candidates are strong, intelligent and they each have a great deal offer. If you are not
a hypocrite, you will apply your logic when Obama wins in double digits in Carolina, in
two weeks.

After all...losing a state means that the other candidate must drop out, right?

Your absurdity is limitless.

The bottom line is....who will have the most pledged delegates in the end. That is how our party
selects it's nominee.

[blogslut]

36. The Clinton campaign said they needed double digits

They didn't get double digits.

They also only got 88 delegates, whereas Obama got 66 - bringing his total of pledged delegates to 1484, over Clinton's 1330.

So, who is winning?

[Medusa]

41. She blew yet another 20-point plus lead

and it was whittled in half by Obama.

[marshall]

44. It's all arbitrary anyway

The goalpost can be put wherever seems most appropriate at the time, and moved tomorrow and again the next day.
The important thing for Hillary is to go the distance. To harken back to her Rocky comparison, she knows she can't win, but she wants to prove she can duke it out to the end.

[Jamastiene]

47. Very few Obama supporters see the value in dignity.

I recommended your post and thank you.

[JackBeck]

67. Excuse me?

[IsItJustMe]

48. What up Hil?

[stillcool]

50. well...yeah!

[Chalco]

54. Yes, he spent triple the amount she spent and still couldn't

catch up.

[stillcool]

65. "Catch up"?

that's rich. The goal line is at 20+ for Hillary in "Hillary Country". What happened to "Hillary Country? And..where is that goal post now?

[Chalco]

69. Uh, catch up, beat her, win in Pennsylvania. nt

[marshall]

55. Wasn't it 8.38 or 8.6?

I'm just sayin'.

[aquarius dawning]

57. Pathetic is the word I chose to describe people who quibble about tenths of percentage points

[redqueen]

58. Have you noticed the media whores are showing that she won by 10?

Don't know about the others, but I'm damn sure gonna crow about REALITY.

[thewiseguy]

59. be embarrassed for yourself because you add nothing to this board

[gsaguyCLW54]

62. I have noticed that the Obama supporters here arre among the nastiest .....

[SaveAmerica]

63. I guess you didn't read the racist comments from Hillary's DUers on the thread about the young girl

in Pa who was disgusted at the attitudes of white people in her area? Take a look around and you'll find that kind of stuff from Hillary's supporters are much more embarrassing than people trying to make sure the correct numbers are reported/recorded.