54.7-45.3=9.4 NOT DOUBLE DIGITS. Why can't the the MSM tell the truth ...

[WA98070]

Oh, that's right, it must be the new math.

[blm]

1. Newsmedia knows that by LYING to Hillary voters now about the math it will help McCain in Nov.

as the Dem party becomes more divided unnecessarily.

And Clinton camp doesn't care - they knew the math reality over two months ago and already started Hillary2012.

[Changenow]

2. No, it's 8.5

and the media with the Clinton supporters at their side, can't tell the truth.
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[bobbert]

17. The Lancaster county votes are fucked up on the PA site

They recorded about 13,000 too many votes for Obama. Compare the totals in that county to the rest of the elections. I will take the MSM's 9.4 over the 8.6 coming from that site.

[Coexist]

3. actually, it 54.3 - 45.7.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?FunctionID=12&ElectionID=27

[Nitrogenica]

4. 8.5%, actually.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

[onenote]

5. because they round numbers. Always have. Always will.

Not new math. Old math.

54.7 = 55
45.3 = 45

This is hardly new. Hardly a conspiracy. And the numbers aren't final yet anyway.

But most importantly,why are we getting caught up in a numbers game. If 10,000 votes shifted, it would be around .3 percent shift, which could make it 9.1 or 9.7. Is there really that much significance in 10,000 votes out of more than 2 million?

As an Obama supporter, I wish we'd put PA behind us -- Obama cut HRC early lead in the polls -- 18 to 20 percent -- in half. Whether its exactly in half, a little better or a little less, who cares?

HRC won Ohio by 10.3 percent. The important news is that she couldn't build on that in PA. No momentum.

[EffieBlack]

9. That's manipulating statistics - any statistician will tell you

If you want an accurate measure of a margin, you don't round the numbers until the end.

54.7 percent minus 45.3 percent is 9.4 percent. It is statistically misleading to round the raw numbers since they will skew the outcome.

Nevertheless, these are old numbers. The new numbers are 54.3% v. 45.7%. Even using the MSM's flawed process (rounding the raw numbers), the numbers would be 54% to 46% - a margin of 8%.

This wouldn't be a big deal if the press wasn't making the double digit issue such a major aspect of their coverage. Their entire analysis of this race is hinged on whether Hillary won by double digits or not. Given that, it is extremely dishonest for them to skew the numbers to make it appear that she did when clearly she didn't.

[onenote]

13. maybe so, but its not as if this is the first time the networks have done this

That's my point. This isn't some anti-Obama conspiracy at work. Its just the way the nets do it.

As for whether the networks numbers are "old" numbers, that's a bit up in the air. The "new" numbers on the state's website still show fewer votes counted than the networks are showing. Either the networks have it wrong or the state site is lagging behind information that the networks are collecting from individual counties.

My point: until the final numbers are in, I'm not going to get worked up about rounding. PA is over. Most of the reporting I'm seeing are still calling into question whether HRC's victory in PA really changes the end result of the nominating process.

And I've seen one thread citing the state numbers and declaring the margin to be 8 percent, based on exactly the rounding you cited. And it didn't bother me and I didn't question it. Did you?

[havocmom]

6. Simple answer: They make MILLION$ more the longer she stays in hopeless race

Less simple answer: they are owned by the same corporate interests that own her. All their agendas are about protecting the bottom line of the mega-corps who profit from war.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. hillaryans are full of it, and full of new math.

2-1 ad spending is inflated to 4-1.
a single digit lead in PA is increased to double digits.
his national lead is skewed to be called a tie.


It is not that the entire hillary team lies, it is that they are so brazen about it. Totally shameless, without regret, and without accuracy. They, and she, will say and do anything to get a temporary advantage, and when their lies are proven to be false, they ignore it and say, "if he can't take the heat, he can't win." Except this heat is totally make-believe bullshit.

I cannot ever bring myself to vote for her. I have too much at stake in our country, and she, frankly, would be as bad as Bush, McCain or any other neocon or conservative GOPer. Possibly worse.

She is evil, vile, and unworthy. she must withdraw.

[Kittycat]

8. State of PA Site: 99.34% reporting - 54.3%C - 45.7%O = 8.6%

M$M - need we say more.

[Kokonoe]

10. MSM does not tell the truth.

Lets be clear about that.

[durrrty libby]

11. It is sour and bitter here,

[BlooInBloo]

12. 9.38 if you want more accuracy.

[Kittycat]

14. Where are you finding that total?

I'm going by the state of PA's reported numbers with 99.34% in

[BlooInBloo]

15. 9.39 now on TPM.

[hayu_lol]

18. Hey, those numbers are close enough for...

goverment work. As many of us have said over the years.

How many uncounted votes will the poll workers in PA find today and tomorrow?

It was a closed Democratic primary election. Not a caucus. No indies, no greens, everyone a Dem.

[Kittycat]

16. Write the MSM

I'm sending my emails off as we speak. Just keep it brief and give them numbers with a link to the state's site.

Here are some email addy's (others have webforms, like Russert, Scarface, KO, etc).
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]