ABC News calls out Clinton Camp for misrepresenting their report regarding the popular vote

[sabra]

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=7265


More People Have Voted For Hillary Than Any Other Candidate

4/23/2008 9:34:22 AM

The Tide is Turning

After last night's decisive victory in Pennsylvania, more people have voted for Hillary than any other candidate, including Sen. Obama.

Estimates vary slightly, but according to Real Clear Politics, Hillary has received 15,095,663 votes to Sen. Obama's 14,973,720, a margin of more than 120,000 votes. ABC News reported this morning that "Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama" in the popular vote.

This count includes certified vote totals in Florida and Michigan.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/clinton-camp-mi.html

In today's edition of "The Note," ABC News' Rick Klein wrote that "By one (rightly disputed) metric -- the popular vote, including Florida and Michigan -- Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama. But without the rogue states, Obama is still up by 500,000 -- and if you can find another objective measurement by which she’s in the lead, let us know."

Including the popular votes from Florida and Michigan -- which were not sanctioned Democratic National Committee primaries, where the candidates did not compete, where Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois was not even on the ballot in Michigan -- is a sketchy notion, and Rick was conveying that with the proper air of skepticism.

Somehow, the Clinton campaign took his report and twisted it into this: "ABC News reported this morning that 'Clinton has pulled ahead of Obama' in the popular vote."

That is a false reflection of what ABC News reported.

[DebJ]

1. How can you count Michigan when he was not on the ballot?

[writes3000]

5. The Clinton campaign has almost NO integrity. And that's become my issue with Clinton.

She will say ANYTHING to win.

Including "We can obliterate you, Iran!!!"

I told that quote to a Hillary supporter last night and he was horrified. His one owrd reaction? "Desperate."

[WA98070]

12. She certainly proves that almost daily now. NO regard for the party, no respect for herself.

[hisownpetard]

23. ...and definitely no respect for *us.* I don't believe anything she says anymore.

To me, she's become the equivalent of a weather man (no pun intended).

[bobbert]

18. When you're owed $5 million

You will say a lot of stuff to try and get that money back

I think that Hillary staying in the race is all business.

[XemaSab]

54. You can if you're a sleazeball

:P

[Deep13]

2. No, she's literally right.

Just because the DNC thinks it is okay to disenfranchise two major states doesn't mean HC must agree with them.

[Windy]

6. Recent polls here in Michigan show that Obama would win a re-vote! n/t

[Bentcorner]

30. Got a link?

[Windy]

65. Here you go...link

http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/04/obama_does_better_against_mcca.html

[DemVet]

75. Those polls are against McCain, not against one another.

They don't correlate the same.

It's a different dynamic.

[AZ Criminal JD]

62. Why did his agents stop a re-vote then?

[madrchsod]

71. another myth to research

[AZ Criminal JD]

77. I decided to help you out.

Obama and his supporters have a habit of voting "present" when confronted with tough issues. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/us/politics/21delegates.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin "Ms. Granholm said a plan to conduct a state-run primary financed with private money was the fairest way to resolve the situation. Several wealthy Clinton donors offered to pay the estimated $12 million cost of the revote, but Mr. Obama’s allies in the Legislature blocked it for a variety of legal, technical and political reasons."

[krkaufman]

72. Who says they did? Aside from someone in the Clinton camp, that is. n/t

[high density]

9. Well then, the caucus states are being disenfranchised by HRC

Because the caucuses don't report popular votes.

[wileedog]

32. And everyone gets disenfranchised because she wants SDs to decide the election

"We must count FL and MI so I get close enough for the SDs to discount them!!!"

[Bentcorner]

34. You understand that Obama can't win without the help of the Superdelegates too, right?

[wileedog]

38. You understand they are not going to go against the vote

and jeapordize their jobs and the immense backlash without a much better reason than Hillary says Obama is unelectable, right?

Especially when she said he was on national TV.

[Bentcorner]

41. More Americans have voted for Hillary then have voted for Obama.

If the superdelegates go with the vote, they will be giving it to Hillary.

[wileedog]

45. Link?

Be sure to included Caucus states and only legal elections.

[Bentcorner]

46. There isn't a vote count in a caucus. When you causus, you don't vote. As far as "legal" elections

go, there was nothing illegal about voters in Florida or Michigan voting.

[gal]

68. Who's numbers are you watching?

Let's do the smart thing and go by the offical numbers of the DNC, not ones we make up.

[DemVet]

76. Actually, a lot of them ARE going to go against the vote.

Alot of SD's in my state, which went for Obama, have pledged to HRC and plan to keep their pledge.

There is no sense in having SD's if they just mimic the pledged delegates.

[Bentcorner]

47. They don't report because they don't vote. They caucus.

[guyanakoolaid]

10. Unfortunately she already did, when she agreed to DNC policies for this election

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. Once again - the states disenfranchised themselves.

They knew the rules. They knowingly broke them. The DNC applied the previously agreed upon consequences. Michigan and Florida have no one to blame but themselves. PERIOD. END OF STORY. It is NOT up for debate.

[Bentcorner]

33. You understand that a STATE is not a person, right?

People in those two states still voted. A majority of them voted for Hillary.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

53. You realize a state is a conglomeration of people, right?

Or did you forget that we're founded on the notion that governments derive their power from the people?

[kevinbgoode]

17. Not this old argument again.

The states disenfranchised themselves. What is sleazy is a candidate trying to claim victory in states that were violating the rules - and then demanding they be represented exclusively for HER. . .

[ScarletSniper]

21. She agreed to the rules long ago....sorry

[d.amber]

28. Wonder if she's including WA in her totals of Pop vote

We are a caucus state that has broken 70% for Obama. I know I'm a Obama alterate delegate to the State Convention. Hillary won the beauty "popular" vote here. However, everyone who voted knew it didn't count. I even voted for Edwards in it because I was an Edwards supporter before I switched to Obama.

I wouldn't trust Clinton figures.

[AZ Criminal JD]

63. So they voted for Hillary because it didn't count? LOL

[mckeown1128]

35. So you think NO one in MI wanted Obama for president...

because that is what the vote showed?

[shraby]

37. She agreed with the DNC until she fell behind.

[purji]

39. when HC adds the Mi numbers to her total

does Obama get any of the uncommitted vote or does he get 0% because he wasn't on the ballot?

If HC wants to add to her numbers but not include any for him how would that be any less disenfranchisement.

[cascadiance]

44. I guess given this, she'd support that Saddam Hussein won his election of 2002...

... since he "won the most votes" in that election too! :eyes:

[PVnRT]

48. Except that she did when she signed the pledge

[Forkboy]

49. Tell me the truth, please. Did you speak out about this before Hillary needed these votes?

[gal]

66. But Hillary herself said they would not count.

Now she's counting them? Another misspeak or another lie?
We have video of this one as well.

[JimGinPA]

I For One Am Shocked The Clinton Camp Would Try To Mislead Anyone!

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

3. Oh looky! The liars are calling liars liars!

:rofl:

EDIT: They deserve each other.

[NJmaverick]

4. Nice to see one outlet make mention of the truth

[islandmkl]

7. thank god they were 'misrepresenting' and not LYING...

i mean, you can explain a 'misrepresentation' pretty easily...

but a LIE would require backtracking, spin, double-or-triple explanations and a concerted effort to distract all attention away from the LIE...

boy, i'm glad they weren't lying...

[kevinbgoode]

19. I'm sure Hillary was just tired. . .and it just came out differently

than what the campaign REALLY meant. . .why, they probably wrote this at 3 a.m. while handling a national crisis.

[ScarletSniper]

22. that's what Billy "cigar" Clinton will say...lmao

[babylonsister]

24. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Andy823]

8. And the lies

Just keep on coming! If she is going to keep on lying to the people during the primary, what do you think she will do if she ever did become president, start telling us the truth?????

[MadBadger]

11. ABC News is also in the wrong here

They only have the popular vote that includes FL and MI and in the small print say it includes them.

[redqueen]

13. Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie...

*sigh*

[islandmkl]

14. New England Patriots Win the Super Bowl!!...

oh wait...that is a misrepresentation

[Buzz Clik]

16. Oh, those Hillary kids! They do the darnedest things!

Like lying and manipulating.

Busted!

[burythehatchet]

20. The Cllinton's are incapable of honesty. They have forgotten how to tell the truth

It is sickening to think that these sorry asses are Democrats

Zell-Joe-Hillary

[Saturday]

25. Obama supporters really have a problem with letting Democrats vote.

Remember when they didn't want PA to vote? They don't want FL and MI to be counted. Anything to help their candidate win. Cheat so he can win. Quit voting and don't count the vote are their memes. If you don't seat Mi and FL those states will go Republican in the GE. And with those states Hillary is up above Obama. The truth hurts sometimes.

[sabra]

27. "Obama supporters really have a problem with letting Democrats vote."

Do you really believe this? Really?

[jackson_dem]

58. There is a thread with over 700 recs demanding the democratic process come to an end

[haymakeragain]

57. I'll give you Florida, how much did she win by?

But Michigan, can you really expect us to give you anything for an election where our guy wasn't even on the ballot? Your answer will be very telling.

[jackson_dem]

59. 290,000+ in FL

In Michigan Obama supporters voted "uncommitted", which got 40% of the vote, so there was recourse for Obama supporters there. Conyers and other Obama surrogates were in fact encouraging Obama supporters to vote uncommitted.

[gal]

70. Ya I do have a problem with counting MI & FL

My state didn't break the rules and I don't think those 2 states should get the same rights as those that follwed the DNC rules. Yes some republicans did it in one of the states, not the other blah blah...They knew it they did it anyway. I didn't hear anyone from FL or MI yelling and screaming when this happened nor when Hillary was video taped saying they wouldn't count. What you going to give me as a bonus for NOT breaking the rules?

[NYDem Observer]

26. Why does ABC news even include the MI total

Its completely misleading

[Bentcorner]

29. "rogue states"? Now that's spin!

[wowimthere]

31. That ABC is spinning disqualifies them from really being a news organization...

They've become simply entertainers, a laughing stock.

[nichomachus]

36. I won a marathon yesterday!

Of course, there were no other runners -- and I drove -- but I "won" anyway.

[Indenturedebtor]

43. LOL

"Original Message
I won a marathon yesterday!
Posted by nichomachus
Of course, there were no other runners -- and I drove -- but I "won" anyway."


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:rofl:

No kidding. She reminds me of this one Dictator I know who stole an election through vote caging,etc, and called it a mandate. What was that guys name again? Hmmmmm. I'll get back to you :P

[anonymous171]

40. Too bad they won't do this on-air.

[goletian]

42. thats the nature of this beast of a deceptive campaign shes running

all fuckin lies and distortions. that campaign will lie to your face without blinking.

[Scurrilous]

50. K & R

:thumbsup:

[otohara]

51. After Dismal Debate

ABC starts telling truth vs gossip! oh my!

[LittleFarter]

52. Huh, ABC News of all the people

[Vinca]

55. Well, heck, if the Clinton campaign is going to make up numbers,

they might as well give Hillary a million vote margin. No . . . wait . . . go for broke. Give her a 10 million vote margin.:rofl:

[Poll_Blind]

56. Ah ha ha! I KNEW it! Do they ever stop telling lies? n/t

PB

[jazzjunkysue]

60. It's a weasle George, himself, would be proud of.

SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!SHE LIES!

[Kber]

61. My aunt voted for Clinton in MI

donated money and volunteered.

But even she thinks the idea of including MI votes for Clinton into some "popular vote count" is ridiculous.

She says, if you have to lie to make your case, you don't have one.

[AZ Criminal JD]

64. Since you think Michigan and Florida are "rogue states"

Do you think they should be banned from voting in the General election?

[Cha]

67. hilary is a Sleazy Liar..

Projecting herself to be the winner.

[madrchsod]

69. the super delegates can`t help but notice this

[FrenchieCat]

73. Twisted!

That's about it.

[AZ Criminal JD]

74. Democrats in 2000: "Count every vote".

Obama supporters in 2008: "Count only some of the votes"

[kwenu]

78. If the positions were reversed, and Obama made this claim, his ass would be laughed out the party.

And rightfully so. But we also know that if the positions were reversed Obama would have been forced out long ago. Hillary is still in this race ONLY because she's a Clinton.

[ORDem]

79. Klein is viewing it with "skepticism"?? Should be derision! nt