Hillary supporters: what will we be enthused about if she wins the general?

[LoZoccolo]

Say in January 2009, what will people like me be like?

Will we be like "Woooo-hooo! Lying about the Weather Underground, yes! That is my president!"

Or will we be like "Wheeee! Saying 'screw em' to the voters, yes!"

Or will we be like "Heeee-oh! All sorts of campaign dirty tricks, right on!"

Or some other thing?

[bluestateguy]

1. She will have my vote

And that's it, unless she gives me reason to earn extra support from me by way of my money and my time.

My days as a sychophant for the Clintons are over. If she is the president, I'm not going to be like I was in the 1990's, when I defended everything her impulsive husband said and did.

[Skinner]

2. Let me guess. The answer you're looking for is:

"Woo-hoo! We just elected a shrill, pantsuit-wearing, neocon, Bush/McCain clone who never accomplished anything without the help of her husband, the worst president in recent memory, whom she should have divorced."

Did I win?

[grantcart]

5. can't win without a sniper reference but you are free to try again

[SoCalDem]

8. Hey.. cattle futures, impeachment & Whitewater are making a re-appearance in Indiana

watch for it.. Claire McCaskill just hinted at it.. so they will be back in fashion...

Watch for Monica to resurface too..:)

Back to the 20th century we go.. McCain wants to take us to the good old days of WWII & Viet Nam & Hillary wants to drag us throught the oozy slime of the 90's..:cry:

[crispini]

15. SNORT!

:spray:

[Justitia]

12. So, the cat's officially out of the bag? Of course, we've known it for weeks.

;-)

[SeaLyons]

27. OMG....

are you for real? Is that how you really feel?

[Justitia]

28. Cluephone: That was sarcasm. Skinner is a Hillary supporter. -eom

[Occam Bandage]

34. He's defended both candidates.

[Justitia]

36. Maybe. I've only seen the Pro-Hillary stuff. I'll take your word for it. -eom

[LoZoccolo]

31. Hey, now that is unfair.

I don't talk like that. I don't think I said any of those things about her. I have said other things, but none of those, and it's usually about her tactics. I just think it'll be a bittersweet thing when you look at what had to take place for her to get there, and how alienating it is to have these tactics foisted on people who would have to vote for her later.

[SoCalDem]

38. She would be like george Bush, only with less support

half the dems would still dislike her and ALL the republicans would hate her..

Bush had 50%..she would start with 25%

and Clintons DO hold grudges..just like Bush does, so the people in congress who supported Obama would be at the top of her shitlist..

[KoKo]

43. And...what would they do to Obama? We'd go through another hell with the

Powers that Be...and Media. Why would he be immune from the attacks that Clintons had and Carter the day after Inauguration when they let the bombs fly, after softening up the public. The Media and PTB are even more vicious and organized than they were back in the "old days."

[SoCalDem]

45. He's smarter..and I actually think he could unite people

and our standing in the world would be better too.. Clinton's antics are NOT playing well with the rest of the world..

[KoKo]

47. I know....many long for a "fresh start." ....hope it will be different...we have to hope...

not much else that's going to be left.

[KoKo]

53. What "people" will he "unite?" n/t

[Skinner]

52. I apologize.

I did not intend to accuse you of saying those things. I like to use humor when responding sometimes. I thought it amusing that you did not see the obvious thing that we would be enthused about if a Democrat were to win the White House in the fall.

Yes this primary has been long and ugly. But I continue to be dismayed by how many people on both sides seem to be unable to keep things in perspective when thinking about the general election.

[KoKo]

55. The Place REEKS with OPERATIVES....but....I wish you hadn't apologized..

but then...what do I know. A friend of mine who was the Provost of College in NY State (an honest person...salt of the earth on morality) was involved in a "Garbage Contract Dispute with their waste management of the college AND...he got visited by a guy with "slicked back hair and a pin-striped suit" (looked like Larry Kudlow) and he was told: "Ya Want your wife and kids 'under the cement?'...if you keep "fukin' us' you aren't gonna have family."

What WOULD YOU DO IN THIS SITUATION?"

My liberal/College Buddy, Catholic Raised....thought that his "end was coming" and he had three kids and his wife's (a speech therapist) job to consider....

In the END ....he gave the CONTRACT to the MAFIA GUY because.......what was it worth to have your wife "Mother of your Children...encased in CEMENT.

This is the CRAP that goes on OUT THERE in NORMAL...GOOD AMERICAN'S LIVES ...these days!

:eyes:

[LoZoccolo]

57. No worries, lol!

I wasn't really that distraught about it anyways.

[SaveAmerica]

51. That's just wrong, he only mentioned truly dishonarable actions on the part of Hillary's campaign.

His point is about 'winning' by muck-raking, below the belt, and nasty tactics. You went to this place, not him.

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[Dr Fate]

4. You may have hit on something that no one else is talking about.

If Hillary is handed the nomination-I serioulsy doubt that many REAL Democrats here at DU or anywhere else are going to vote McCain, 3rd party, or stay home.

The issue is- who is going to be inspired to knock on doors, host meet-ups, make calls, etc. in order to basically lie for her?

And at the risk of sounding "elitist"- I serioulsy doubt that all these "rural" and "Reagan Democrat" voters are going to lift a finger for her...they are generally the last people to go out and spend several hours a week on a campaign...

In fact, the major demographic who does do those things for DEMS was just told by her campaign how much they were despised & disliked by her-same old "Far left nut roots" crap weve been hearing for a couple of years now. They would vote for her despite this- but will they produce blood, sweat & tears for her?

Anyway, I never know when you are serious or when you are playing devil's advocate, but you put forth some good points either way...I'm more worried about what will enthuse people to work to get her elected in the first place.

[SoCalDem]

11. DU will certainly be "echo-y"..

Most of us will surely find other things to do.. I don't see many of us getting that warm-fuzzy feeling about her royal highness and jumping to defend her from the nasty stuff re-emerging from the swamp she insists on dragging us back to.

[Dr Fate]

29. The problem is you have to lie for her to defend her on many things..

...if you choose not to lie for her, then that means you have to concede that you disagree with her, or that she was in the wrong.

"Enthusiasm" per se is only opart of the problem. She puts the average "Activist DEM" that she admits she opposes in a strange postion to either lie for her or to admit that the talking points against her are correct.

"No- she opposed the war- didnt you read her speech?" Am I really expected to go out and tell people that?

Who is going to go out and lie for her or pretend that they agree with her on her more conservative positions? Rural folks & factory workers perhaps? I just dont see it.

[KoKo]

41. But....there's still that problem Obama has with the vote outside the

cities and in other agreas of the country. Neither candidate has me inspired to do anything...and I'm a Precinct...VC...(didn't want to do it, but we couldn't get anyone else in my precinct because of disillusioned Dems and my district is Red/Repug) I'm on strike except for voting....

The worst of times to pick such divisive candidates.... It's not how it could have been....but then it's seemed "fixed" to me since the beginning with all the other candidates being squeezed out so early. I'm concentrating on local Dems running. At this point that's most important.. Grassroots.

[SoCalDem]

42. Yep.. I'm done.. California voted a long time ago

Local elections are the most important really. That;s how the republicans climbed to the top of the ladder in the first place.. NO race was too small..

The sad part is that with Obama in charge, Dean's plan for a 50 state approach stays.. with HRC, we go back to "boss politics" with small fry being thrown under the bus..and we end up back where we were..a minority..

as demoralized as republicans are now, we know that they will never quit trying to get back on top..and they are a tenacious bunch..evil..but tenacious

[Perry Logan]

6. Her Presidency will torture the Clintophobes.

[kenny blankenship]

7. Flag Burning Amendments - Keep 'em coming Hillary! YAY !!!!

[MonkeyFunk]

14. She opposed a flag-burning amendment

but I've learned that if it weren't for lies, you guys wouldn't post anything.

[kenny blankenship]

16. Federal Flag Burning LAWS --keep 'em coming Hillary! YAY!!!

[MonkeyFunk]

20. And do you know why she supported that?

To fend off an amendment.

She doesn't want to outlaw flag-burning at all. She was trying to forestall an amendment.

[Occam Bandage]

21. Good ol' Clinton strategy: Give the Republicans 80%, so maybe they won't take the other 20%.

[Justitia]

25. Yup, it even has a name: Clintonian Triangulation. It's a painful memory. -eom

[kenny blankenship]

24. To impose criminal penalties on the burning of the U.S. flag

[FedoraLV]

54. Which produces a conundrum

to quote the flag code:

"(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."
http://www.suvcw.org/flag.htm

:shrug:

-FedoraLV

[Justitia]

26. Heard the EXACT SAME argument about Clinton's support for Dont Ask Don't Tell. And it sucked too.

Welcome back to the conservative political panderings that are the specialty of the Clinton years.


:puke:

[Occam Bandage]

30. ...and DOMA. And NAFTA. And welfare. And every other one of their "centrist" moves.

"well, we had to take the rightmost position possible, because if we didn't, the Republicans might have created a position even further to the right!"

No shit: Richard Nixon, in addition to indexing Social Security to inflation, creating the EPA, OSHA, and the SSI, proposed a universal healthcare plan almost exactly like Hillary's, in which businesses would be mandated to provide insurance, and people would be mandated to possess it. And he was a Republican. Of course, back then Dems tried to control the debate instead of going along with the Republican frames.

That's how far right triangulation has taken us.

[Justitia]

32. Don't forget the particularly loathsome Welfare Reform (aka Kick The Poor When They Are Down)

The Clintons have always been FABULOUS about knifing the powerless to impress the GOP.

[Occam Bandage]

33. Remembered and added right after I posted. Thanks, though, can't mention that enough.

[Justitia]

35. LOL - I see we share the same lovely memories of the fallout from the Clintons.

So many around here either have short memories or no knowledge of history.

[Occam Bandage]

37. I think on the whole they were more good than bad; things were certainly better then than

under the Presidents before or after them. That said, looking ahead, I don't really think we need to relive the bad along with the good; I'd rather the next President have the advantages of a Democrat without the disadvantages of Clintonite triangulation.

[Occam Bandage]

18. Yeah, she only co-sponsored a law banning flag burning. She thought an amendment went too far.

The poster was probably just confused.

[PVnRT]

19. You're right, of course

She proposed an alternative measure along with Bob Bennett (scroll about halfway down) to ban flag-burning via law, not a Constitutional amendment.

[MonkeyFunk]

40. yes

in order to stave off an amendment.

This is why it's difficult for Senators to get elected - stupid people use votes like this as weapons against them without understanding the big picture.

[Occam Bandage]

46. Except that wasn't her excuse at the time. Then, she said it was because she had talked to veterans

about the issue*, and now agreed that flag burning should be made a crime**. It doesn't really help to "stave off" the Republicans' desires if your method of "staving them off" is to publicly agree with all of their rhetoric.

But, you know, this is from the camp that tried to claim the IWR vote was a vote for diplomacy, so unsupported claims of Double Secret Reverse Psychology are nothing new.

*http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/07/opinion/07wed2.html

**http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=3&aid=55396

[splat]

9. We will have a DEM in the White House!!! Campaign trivia fades, a win is real!

[stillcool]

10. I think if Hillary is the nominee...

my focus will change from the possible to the inevitable. I think this might be a good thing. Our politics has been about a race to the bottom for quite a while now. It might be preferable to speed it up.

[Arkansas Granny]

13. Wooooooo-hooooooo! We've got a Democrat in the White House.

Hopefully, we will have a Democratic majority in Congress also, and then we'll be able to get something done. We can also be thankful that a Democrat will be appointing the next empty seats on the Supreme Court.

BTW, that will be my reaction regardless which Democrat wins the GE this fall.

[RememberWellstone]

17. We will be "clinging" to guns and bibles

silly goose.:silly:

[zbdent]

22. as much as the spin is playing that she would be horrible ...

it would still be a step in the (small r) right direction ...

Do you really think that the Repukes will get behind ANY dem in the White House? This is why we need 61 Ds in the Senate (if Joe Lieberman is counted as a "D") ... to break up the inevitable Repuke filibusters.

The Repukes are eating this shi* up ...

[Occam Bandage]

23. All right! For the first time in 28 years we have a President who is not to the right of Nixon!

Well, perhaps only marginally to the right of Nixon, but still, better than what we've had.

[oasis]

39. Put your focus on the SCOTUS. (eom)

[okasha]

44. You can always be glad that some of Rezko's tenants

will be moving out of his slums into jobs, comfortable homes, good schools and health care.

[dpbrown]

48. Better than, "Yay, we elected a paper-thin grifter" I guess

But to each their own.

:shrug:

[kwenu]

49. We'll be enthused about the egg and tomato throwing skills of the crowd at that inauguration.

And you think George had it bad in his first ceremony.

[wiggs]

50. Something else not to be enthused about: all those people to come out

to vote against Clinton will vote down-ballot FOR GOP candidates for other office and for other issues....even IF she beats McCain! I can imagine no coat-tails with her....

[BootinUp]

56. Are you a part time Democrat? nt