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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:35 PM
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Hillary Clinton is no longer electable in a general election.
According to NBC Political Director Chuck Todd, Obama can no longer lose the pledged delegate count. "If you could call a contest based on the delegate count, it now appears as though it's going to be impossible for Obama to lose his lead." To do so, Clinton who need some 80% of the post-May 6th delegates.

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Without the ability to win any metric that measures the preferences of the electorate, she has left superdelegates with an impossibly narrow choice. There is now no longer a rationale from which the superdelegates could possibly hand her the nomination. She will, no doubt, spend the remainder of her campaign continuing to insist that she is more electable than Obama and that electability, more than democratic preferences, should be the standard on which decisions are made.

But Clinton's electability argument has also been completely upended. There is no argument, no matter how persuasive and cogent, that can be made to the superdelegates about Clinton's electability that won't be obliterated by Hillary winning the nomination unearned. If the superdelegates give Clinton the nomination without her having won the popular vote or pledged delegate count, without any rational connection to the will of the people, an enormous swath of Democratic voters are likely to stay home in November.

~ really good read
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dylan-loewe/hillarys-new-inevitabilit_b_98145.html

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:35 PM
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1. She also can't win educated, black, male, or youth votes.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:57 PM
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12. PA really is Hill's home state. So why is anyone surprised.
The article goes on to mention the AA bloc >

Since Franklin Roosevelt, no Democrat has won the White House without the loyal support of the African American community. But having watched the potential first black president denied his rightful chance to compete by party insiders may sever that loyalty permanently. The activist base of the Democratic party, which has been at the core of the remaking of the political landscape, will likely also be rocked by a Hillary coup. If the superdelegates nominate Hillary Clinton, it will rip the base of the party in half and destroy the extraordinary progress that the Obama movement - and the Dean movement before it - have produced. Even if she is more electable before their decision, she will be unelectable after.
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He also says the party would be cracked and the activist base lost to the Democrats as well.
It's a hopeless situation for her. And so far, for us.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:36 PM
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2. who won PA yesterday?
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:41 PM
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7. Who's Winning in The United States of America?
The Commonwealth of PA isn't deciding this race.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:50 PM
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11. Obama
He destroyed her 30-point lead, he made her spend all her money. She went negative and played the race card and the terror card.

She got a few more votes and netted 12 delegates, but at a very high price.

This isn't a winner-take-all contest. It's like a chess game. She may have captured one of Obama's pawns (PA), but she put her queen in jeopardy. That's not winning.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:58 PM
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13. She's bankrupt. In every sense of the word. nt
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:37 PM
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3. I love to see Obama supporters cite Huffington
who broke the story about the "bitter" comments. Great site. I'll get all of my reliable political information from there. :sarcasm:

She can "NO LONGER" win since she just won PA? Where all of us typical white working class uneducated bowling drunken cheesesteak eaters live?
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stranger_with_candy Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:39 PM
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5. Smart people eat cheesesteaks too
They just don't vote for Hillary.

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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:38 PM
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4. Keep up the drumbeat against McCain, that's how we will win !
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:41 PM
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6. Her negatives have skyrocketed since she started campaigning dirty
She cant beat Obama based on delegates, nor on votes won, and her argument about electability has been wrecked in her pursuit of those metrics.

She really can no longer claim electability outside of using racism making Obama unelectable any longer.

She is screwed, and she needs to be pushed out of this race.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:42 PM
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8. She never was electable. At the very least, she needed a Ross Perot
Her negatives have been consistently high and she did absolutely nothing in the past 8 years to change that. And in spite of rising populist sentiment throughout the country, she completely squandered her unprecedented name/brand recognition by staying DLCorporate.

Fail.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:42 PM
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9. Right! No one trust her anymore, she's a freakin liar!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 12:45 PM
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10. Oh, I thought someone kicked a thread from last year
I see nothing has changed
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-23-08 01:01 PM
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14. heh :D
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