I think our primary is pretty much over except for the crying

[mdmc]

There is no way HRC will get more votes then Obama. Hillary can only win if "those that know better" allow her to win. Like Senator Clinton says, "A win is a win."

So either Barack Obama will win, because he won the votes of the most voters, or Hillary Clinton will win because the Democratic Party cannot trust its voters to make such a crucial decision and must rely on the democratic party royalty to do so for them.

The superdelegates are going to have to talk truth to power, and deny Hillary Clinton her "inevitable" coronation (like that would ever happen). Or the superdelegates will have to tell the sheeple that they were too stupid to vote the right way, and that Barack Obama is not "electable", or not "as electable" as Hillary. :cry:

The way I see it, the primary is over. Either the superdelegates need to make Hillary or the net/grassroots cry. We are pretty used to it, me thinks.

So get ready to cry baby, CRY! :cry:

[BlooInBloo]

1. Clinton supporters cannot answer the simple question:

What has to happen in detail, state-by-state, that results in Clinton being nominated.

Obama can, by contrast, answer that question in several ways.

[mdmc]

5. I can answer for the Hill camp

Obama flames up alla Spitzer. He gets high on crack and smacks his wife, has sex with Michael Jackson, or a photo surfaces with Obama and Bin Laden doing keg stands.

Hillary has nothing to lose by staying in the race. I mean Spitzer won the NYS Gov. race with over 70% of the vote. Very few folks would have guessed that Spitzer would not be re-elected. Fewer still would have guessed he would resign.

Hillary has to wait for Obama to fall, as politicians sometimes do. Then she has it in the bag.

All HRC needs to do is convince the royalty that Obama can't win, and she can. Diebold is proof enough, imho, that HRC can win and Obama can't.

[demwing]

13. And thats it in a nutshell = HILLARY has nothing to lose

Whether that's your attitude, or the attitude of her followers, or her attitude. Let the rest of us fend for ourselves.

[Jersey Devil]

21. Well, yes she does, about $5,000,000 she loaned to the campaign

Unless you think that is pin money for her by continuing beyond the time when it is possible for her to win she risks never getting her money back. Perhaps you think she doesn't care, but $5 million isn't just thrown away by even the richest of the rich

[sushi]

2. Let's face it

HRC is more acceptable to the Republicans than BHO.

[mdmc]

6. corporations, the BFEE, diebold, the military industrial complex

all want HRC. Over Barack. Over McCain.

[LakeSamish706]

3. If for some reason the DNC were to attempt to steal this from Barack...

(with the assistance of the SD's) this party would fall apart so fast.... I can't even tell ya how fast I would be out of it.

[mdmc]

8. the triangulators destroyed the party a long time ago.

But an Obama loss (loss meaning winning more votes, but losing the royalty) would help most realize that we need something new. A new real deal party for progressives.

[sandnsea]

10. It would not be the DNC doing it, it would be the DLC

The DLC is fighting the rank and file who put Howard into the DNC. Regardless, I'm with you, if it happens, I'm out.

[LWolf]

4. Hopefully, neither of them will achieve the required number of delegates.

The best outcome is for neither of the divisive two to be nominated, and for a 3rd to emerge from the convention as the nominee.

[mdmc]

11. that would be too cool

:kick:

[demwing]

14. That would be the opposite of the "best outcome."

And.will.not.happen.

[LWolf]

15. I'm glad I'm not the only one out here who still thinks it's a possibility.

I'm also not the only Democrat to see this as the best possible outcome.

Your opinion is duly noted, and then set aside. It is opinions like yours, after all, that got us into this mess.

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=59366

http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?ID=405969&Category=14&subCategoryID=

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/mar/24/mark-tomasik-dont-discount-gore-led-ticket/

http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/04/16/Opinion/Plan-B.Al.Gore-3327889.shtml

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/calling-al-gore/?hp

http://www.draftgore.com/newsroom_details.asp?id=988

[demwing]

16. LOL. right.

Go ahead and pursue it. I'm not trying to stop you.

I'm just saying its a bad idea and has zero chance of happening.

But don't let that stop you! By all means, get involved. Have fun with it :)

[LWolf]

17. "Fun" isn't really in that equation.

"The only way to get a decent candidate" is.

In my opinion, it's also the only way to win in November.

I'd also like to vote for the Democrat in November, so I WILL stick with any possible chance of ending up with a democrat I can vote for with confidence.

Granted, it's not the most likely scenario. The most likely scenario, at this point, is that one of them wins, by hook or by crook, and takes us down to defeat in November.

I'm not getting behind THAT likely debacle.

[demwing]

18. Well, lets agree to disagree

I'm more optimistic than you, and I see the Democratic Party stomping the snot out of McCain.

Though I do have to give you credit for your ability to hope beyond all hope. :)

[LWolf]

19. Hope beyond hope...

is a good thing. Without it, I would simply walk away in disgust, and let the party suffer the consequences it deserves without a fight.

I can agree to disagree.

[redqueen]

7. Cry?

I don't think so.

[mdmc]

12. well, get teary eyed

[backscatter712]

9. Hillary's campaign has been circling the drain for weeks.

Now the bleeding will only accelerate, now that Pennsylvania has depleted what's left of Clinton's coffers and she finds it even more difficult to match Obama's delegate count.

I'll say it'll probably be over after N. Carolina and Indiana on May 6th, and if the superdelegates don't end it then, the season certainly will be over on May 20th in Oregon and Kentucky - that's when Obama will get that magic 1627 pledged delegates and the superdelegates will follow.

[Vinca]

20. Someone here - as well as a couple of talking heads - have put up

the scenario by which she could take the lead and it's an impossibility. The wise thing, at this point, would be for her to try to cut a deal for VP (something that makes me ill, but whatever)and get this show on the road for November. Apparently she's waiting for Rev. Wright's evil twin to show up or something, but it could very well be her trial that ends it in a bad way. She still has a chance to keep her self respect at this point . . . but barely.