For the last freaking time, Michigan does NOT count!

[Dbdmjs1022]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but the bottom line is that Michigan does not, has not, and will not count. Florida at least has an outside chance because both candidates were on the ballot, but the DNC is NOT going to give Hillary a free shitload of delegates and popular vote tallies in an illegitimate primary where the current frontrunner actually followed the rules and wasn't even ON THE BALLOT! So saying that "Hillary is ahead of the popular vote counting Michigan" is like saying "Hillary is ahead in the popular vote counting all of her imaginary friends AND the voices in her head." It's not a legitimate claim, and it honestly sounds desperate.

[Oreo]

1. And Hillary agrees....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmUVr_Qt2Wg

How do Clinton supporters spin her signing an agreement saying MI doesn't count?
Don't any of you find it a little odd that she was against them before she was for them when she realized she had no chance without them?

I'd love to hear it.

[DrDan]

2. well - her point is probably that Mich will count in the GE

and after all, shouldn't we be concerned that we field a candidate that will win the GE. I mean, isn't that the whole point.

and no - I am not a Hillary supporter.

[Kittycat]

3. MI Totals don't count, because a Judge Voided the Race.

[grantcart]

4. Neither does Florida

Counting Florida is based on the premise that campaigns don't serve a purpose.

No uncontested primary counts period.


For that matter the whole popular vote does not count

[nichomachus]

5. Actually . . .

she only won the "voices in her head" by a 51-49 margin.

[jmg257]

19. But SHE got the voices that matter...

[scheming daemons]

6. And Hillary agrees... Oct 2007, she said, "we all know Michigan doesn't count for anything."

By her own words.

[GetTheRightVote]

7. Michigan and Florida are out, thank god, we do not need Fl of screw up another

election, their primary was not campaign due to them not being included per the rules.
They have to be out or it is another stolen campaign, Dems do not need another one do they.

[hayu_lol]

8. Actually, the voters of both Michigan and Florida are very important...

to the party in the GE. Despite their own state party screwups, most of the Dems will vote for their candidate in Nov.

And again, this gets very tiresome--Obama took his own name off the Michigan ballot on his own in order to pander to the voters of Iowa and NH. He was not required to do so. His judgement(faulty) and his decision(also faulty)and now he has to live with it.

He was NOT required to remove his name from that ballot.

Florida: If he had removed his name from the Florida ballot, Florida rules would have prevented him from running in the GE. That is why he stayed on the Florida ballot--he could not play the basest of pandering politics and stay on the ballot there.

Finally, Texas is still in play.

[Upfront]

11. Don't worry about Michigan

The state will be very blue in the general. It is bad that we lost our primary votes but we understand who is at fault and it isn't Howard Dean. Levin was the big push on this one. If the person who has the most delegates is the candidate they will get our votes. If it isn't kiss Michigan good by, welcome President McCain.

[DrDan]

13. I live in Florida and think you are wrong

The voters here are not happy with the DNC rule. I goes directly against the charter of the party.

I think a lot will defect.

and - Obama had TV ads running in Florida - against his own stated policy.

before you flame - I am not a Hillary supporter.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

16. so you say Florida Dems prefer republicans? kinda like Rep Wasserman Schultz, right?

she's busy protecting the republican congressmen in her state,
instead of trying to get a democratic majority congress.

If Florida Dems prefer a republican, then they aren't democrats.
They are DINOS.

[DrDan]

17. I am saying the Dems are pissed that the nat.'l party

is ignoring their voice.

And they may stay home. . . they may cross over. They are not happy that the party has ignored their voice. You can read it in the LTTEs.

Call it what you like - the party has screwed them.

[C_U_L8R]

9. And Hillary did not win Texas

Geesh.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. But she got more votes there

[C_U_L8R]

12. Winning is winning the delegates

you know that.

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. Except when it comes to the Democratic Convention

There "winning" instead means getting the most pledged delegates, not the most delegates, or it must be a coup.

[MonkeyFunk]

15. And we're discussing

what criteria the superdelegates should use when deciding. It's more than fair to suggest that the TX superdelegates should weigh the fact that Clinton got more votes there.

[RBInMaine]

18. They'll seat MI somehow. Probably a 50-50 deal to allow them to participate in Denver.

[AtomicKitten]

20. According to DNC rules, neither Florida nor Michigan count.

Hillary signed on to the disposition of both states beforehand just like all the other candidates, which renders her shit out of luck.

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Join the club. Primary voters in Washington don't count either. n/t