Is there any Hillary Supporter here with faith enough to actually bet on her?

[JackORoses]

I have searched far and wide and have yet to find any Hillarite who will bet on her chances.
They all talk a good game, but not a one has actually been willing to risk actual cash.

So here is my offer for any Hillarite here:

The Bet - Who will be the Democratic Nominee? I say Obama.
The Amount - You name the price. ($50, $500, whatever floats your boat)
The Payout - Either a DU Donation or a Donation to the eventual Democratic Nominee.

C'mon, let's make a Friendly Wager!

I know there has to be at least one of you who thinks she actually has a chance.
Where are all those Proud Hillarites willing to stand up for her with their pocketbooks?

[scheming daemons]

1. Based on intrade.com and rasmussenmarkets.com, they're not willing to put their money

..where their mouth is.

Both sites trading prices are about

Obama - 82

Clinton - 17



Nobody's betting on her.

[JackORoses]

2. thus this thread

laying down the gauntlet,
and declaring to all Hillarites, "Put up or shut up!"

[zulchzulu]

3. I've tried this before and they run away like mice...

They can't back up their faith in her enough to wager. I join you....

[JackORoses]

4. let's keep this kicked until we find someone who thinks she can really win

Until that day, it must be assumed that none of the Hillarites here really believe she can win.

[JackORoses]

5. Any takers?

[knixphan]

6. It should totally be for DU

- good fundraising tool!

[JackORoses]

9. I have made the same offer dozens of times.

I'm not looking to make any money.

I just want to find a Hillarite who will really put their money where their mouth is.
Not surprisingly, they all seem to value their money more than their devotion to Hillary.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

7. I'll bet

not. :*

[rodeodance]

8. *****STOP CALLING OUT HALLARY SUPPORTERS FOR YOUR STUPID GAMES****

[JackORoses]

11. It's not a game. DU needs donations. The procedes of this will serve us all.

Why do you and all the other Hillarites have no faith in her ability to win?

You blab all day long about how great she is,
but when you are given the opportunity to demonstrate this, you say, "uh-uh, not with my cash"

This is the reason she is broke in the first place.
Noone wants to bet on a loser. Even her own supporters.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. *****STOP PROVING THAT HALLARY sic SUPPORTERS DONT BELIEVE*****

[Alexander]

22. Who is "Hallary"? I didn't know anyone with that name was on the ballot.

:rofl:

[Jed Dilligan]

78. Maybe she merged with Halliburton

Would it surprise you?

[cliffordu]

37. Talk the talk? come on, Walk the walk!!!! 'Let's rodeo!!!'

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Barrymores Ghost]

61. "HALLARY?"

Is that pronounced like "HOWLERY?"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I'm Game

I'll put $100.00 on Hillary to win if you put $500.00 on the Mavericks to beat the Hornets...

[JackORoses]

12. I see you still do not think she has what it takes.

C'mon,

Obama vs Hillary

Loser donates $100 to DU.
Whadda ya say?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I See You Don't Have What It Takes

David West vs Dirk (slap)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAreNz25wqE&feature=related

Loser donates $500.00 to DU

Whadda ya say?

And I'll put a $100.00 on HRC too...


I'm willing to take the underdogs (Hornets and Hillary)

[JackORoses]

14. what does basketball have to do with Hillary the Obliterator?

You either think she can win or you do not.
If you do, then bet on her.
Nobody is making any money here, so odds should not be necessary.

By the by, I noticed that the Heat sucked again this year.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Wil Play To Make You Happy

http://www.intrade.com/

She has a 18.1 chance to win at Intrade... That means I have to bet 18.1 cents to win a dollar...

That means I have to bet $100.00 to win $552.00...

Who's the third party I have to send my check for $100.00 so you can send your check for $552.00

I'll even send the check to Skinner...

[JackORoses]

31. we've already been over this before.

If you have faith in Hillary, then you have nothing to fear from a straight up bet.

Instead, you hide behind odds because you don't really think she has a chance.

Noone is making money here. I just want to see if you really believe in her.
From your vacillating, it is obvious that you don't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. You're Not Risking Anything And Asking Others To Risk Something

Excuse me if I don't see the moral equity of your position...

I'll illustrate the absurdity of your position...

Let's bet on the Hawks-Celtics series... I'll take the Celtics... The loser makes a $500.00 donation to DU...

[JackORoses]

44. sure I am. I would have to pay out, same as you.

You really just don't think Hillary has a shot.
Admit it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

She Has A Small Shot

Maybe there's a reson that if I want to bet on the Celtics to win the Finals I have to bet one dollar to win two but if I want to bet on the Hawks! I can bet one dollar to win one hundred one fifty dollars:


http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nba_futures.htm

You are so confident of BHO... I'm for real if you give me the established odds at

http://www.intrade.com/


or

http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/

I will put $100.00 on The Hill...

Anything else and we're playing games...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. She Has A Small Shot

Maybe there's a reson that if I want to bet on the Celtics to win the Finals I have to bet one dollar to win two but if I want to bet on the Hawks! I can bet one dollar to win one hundred one fifty dollars:


http://www.coachescorner.com/n_input/nnweb/scores/header_nba_futures.htm

You are so confident of BHO... I'm for real if you give me the established odds at

http://www.intrade.com/


or

http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/

I will put $100.00 on The Hill...

Anything else and we're playing games...

[Harry Monroe]

28. I wanted to say something more profound for my 1,000th post, but I couldn't let this one go by

Do you realize that the Hornets are up 2-0 in the series?? Hardly underdogs anymore, I'd say the Mavs have some catchin' up to do!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Yeah-That's My Point

Nobody would take the Mavs even money as nobody would take HRC even money...

I think I have some grasp of probability theory...

[OnlyObama]

15. OK smart ass, I'll bet you $500....

that Obama is the nominee!!!

Maybe I read your note wrong!

:)

[Political Heretic]

60. This thread is telling. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing from a certain camp

[Two Americas]

17. not a horse race

It is not a sporting event.

Are you saying that supporting a candidate or a political program is a matter of getting on the winning side and picking the winning team? That strikes me as everything that is wrong about modern politics, not something to celebrate and brag about, nor something to taunt others with.

[JackORoses]

32. The Goal of this is to find a Hillarite who will take a risk on her.

So far, there has not been one. Not a one.

[Two Americas]

46. the real goal

I think the goal is to taunt and ridicule your fellow Democrats.

[JackORoses]

64. nope. The only reason for the continued trench warfare is if Hillarites think she will win

This is a search to find out just how many of her supporters here really support her.

[Two Americas]

72. that is funny

"No, the goal is not to ridicule and mock Clinton supporters" he says as he mocks and ridicules Clinton supporters.

[MadHound]

80. Puleeze, America's sport IS politics, much more so than baseball,

Always has been, always will be. Bets are placed all the time. Hell, even the London bookies are taking odds on the race.

[Two Americas]

83. it has not always been that way

It has not always been that way, and we do not have to contribute to it.

[MadHound]

84. It is a roughly two hundred year old tradition

Go back and look at newspapers from the early nineteenth century. Hell, most newspapers back in that day were actually partisan rags and make our media look like pikers today.

It is essentially harmless, it is going to happen anyway for that's the nature of the beast. If you don't like it, don't participate:shrug:

[Two Americas]

86. far from true

As late as the 60's, and going back to colonial times, the US was a hotbed of political debate. People would listen to hours of political speeches and debates - intelligent and informative debates and speeches. Treating politics as a sporting contest, and elections as horse races is very recent.

[LisaM]

18. Betting on elections as if they were sporting events really doesn't pass the smell test with me

I just think it's not something you should do. It could also encourage people to try to job results to win money, versus caring about what elections accomplish.

[PBS Poll-435]

20. I agree.

[JackORoses]

34. you would

since you don't have the faith in Hillary to participate, yourself.

[LisaM]

42. I don't bet on my sports teams either

I don't actually bet on things very often - it's not interesting to me. But even if I did, politics would be the LAST thing I would bet on.

[JackORoses]

45. you would bet the future of your children and grandchildren on Hillary, but not a few dollars?

that is mind-boggling.

[LisaM]

53. HUH?

If I'm going to do anything with my money (and I donate frequently to DU) for politics, I'll donate it directly to a candidate or advocacy group like EMILY's List. I'm not going to BET it.

I've never understood all those outfits that bet on crazy things, like when someone's going to die. Just not interesting to me.

[JackORoses]

55. the 'Bet' goes to DU. Do you not think that is a worthy cause?

[JackORoses]

33. this is not your average bet. noone stands to win any money.

This is just a test of the faith which Hillarites claim to have.

If you believe in her, why not bet on her?
It all goes to DU anyways.

[redqueen]

19. Interesting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Am Willing To Put $100.00 On The Hill If The OP Gives Me The Prevaling 5-1 Odds

~

[redqueen]

In other words, you're not willing to make an even bet.

Says much.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. It Says Much That Someone Would Expect A Person To Take The Underdog With Even Money

I'll put up $200.00 to your $1,000.00

I will write the check to DU right now if you write a $1,000.00 check to DU right now...

Or we can agree on an honest third party DUer to hold the money in escrow until a winner is determined...

Those are the odds:

http://www.intrade.com/

[redqueen]

25. It's a friendly wager... not a moneymaking scheme.

Sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. A Friendly Wager

He's really not wagering anything...It's highly likely Obama will be the nominee... No sane person would dispute that...

It would be akin to me saying I will bet you a $500.00 donation to DU that the Celtics will beat the Hawks in the playoffs and when the heavily Celtics win you have to donate $500.00 to DU but I have essentially risked nothing...

Sad...

[redqueen]

29. How is that sad?

:crazy:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. Because

Because he's asking people to risk their hard earned money when he is essentially not risking anything...

Tell me a sport you like and I'll illustrate the absolute tomfoolery of putting one's hard earned and presumably needed money on a underdog at even money...

[JackORoses]

35. wow, that is a big step for a Hillarite

"It's highly likely Obama will be the nominee... No sane person would dispute that..."

You have finally accepted that Hillary is not sane.
You are on the road to recovery, DSB!

[Catherina]

39. You sound like a nice and honest person

but how can you say "No sane person would dispute that..." when we've got a GD-P full of posts from Clinton supporters disputing that? I'm being kind to believe they sincerely dispute it instead of the more depressing thought they're trying to damage Obama for more sinister reasons.


No guts, no glory! Maybe you could take 5 of us on at the same time. If you win, we each have to give DU $100 (=$500) for DU and if you lose, you give DU $100. That way no one's raked over the coals. You're out $100 but DU is worth it and Skinner will love you ;)


Edit. I just read your last post. You, $100 and 5 of us $150. How would that sound?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. These Odds Are Confusing Me

Here

1) Hillary has a 18.% chance to win at Intrade:

http://www.intrade.com/

2) Math is not my forte but I think that means I have to wager 18.1 cents to win a dollar...

3) Asking me to bet a dollar to win a dollar when the odds are more than 5-1 doesn't strike me as equitable...

4) But if someone is asking me to make a fool's bet they should give me the established odds... I can afford to lose $100.00 but the thought of losing $500.00 would make some folks sweat...

5) I can't read the minds of HRC's passionate supporters on this board...She has a chance, albeit a rather small one, and they are holding on to it...

6) Maybe they passionately believe Obama can't beat McSame as Obama's supporters believe HRC can't beat him either...

7) I just don't see how calling people out on a board proves anything...

8) It would be like me going over to the Atlanta Hawks bulletin Board and challenging Hawks fans to bet on them against the Celtics...

[JackORoses]

49. we're not trying to determine your number crunching abilities,

just your gut faith in your candidate.

I realize you are one of the more rational ones. Thus your request for Odds on a losing bet.

However, I know that there is a far more rabid Hillarite out there who will risk their cash on faith alone.
That is who I am looking for.

[Catherina]

51. I tried

:shrug:

It's ok, the money's better spent given to the candidates anyway.

[JackORoses]

57. damn, now you're just being harsh. Hillary = Hawks ahahahahahaa!

[JackORoses]

48. don't give in to his demands. Nobody will benefit from this but DU.

There is no reason for odds.

DSB is just well aware that to bet money on Hillary is the same as burning it.

[Levgreee]

50. i'll take your 1-5 bet... although with only 5 dollars, i don't have much money

so you pay 5$ if Obama wins the nomination, I pay 25$ if Hillary wins the nomination.

Sound good?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. For You And You Only

Remind me if and when BHO Wins and I'll donate $25.00 to DU in your name...You can donate $5.00 if HRC wins...

Here's my point... I think it's getting lost...I'm a realist... I think BHO will be the nominee...But if someone is going to challenge the supporters of the long shot to bet they should provide the established odds...That way if they wager $500.00 to someone's $100.00 they will sweat a bit until the final outcome unless they are loaded...

PEACE

DSB

[OnlyObama]

52. Coward!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. I'll Play,,,

I'll send my certified $200.00 check to Jack Of Roses... You can send your $1,000.00 check to Jack Of Roses... He can hold the money...

Deal...

[MattBaggins]

67. Which just proves his point

Hillarys support is a a yard wide and about a picometer deep.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. ?

I love the Miami Dolphins... I have followed them since I was in grade school (1972)... I wouldn't bet on them to win the SB next year...

[CK_John]

23. I think you need to check this site.

Link
<http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/20questions.html>

[JackORoses]

41. it's not really a gamble. I would donate to DU anyway.

I just want to find the Hillarite who will stand by their gal.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. you're on!

[JackORoses]

43. really? OK!

What's the wager?

We can send checks to Skinner to hold until the Nominee is chosen. Then the loser's gets cashed.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

58. I'll use my credit card to make the donation...I don't have a checking account

[JackORoses]

63. alright! So what's the bet? $100? $250?

Can I trust you to pay up since you are doing it by Credit Card?
You won't leave the board in spite and pretend this never happened, will you?

If you really are up for this, let's do it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

75. me leave DU? NEVER happen....I've been here from the beginning....

lets make it $75...I'm supporting my daughter and my twin grandbabies through a relocation closer to me.

tell me how when and how we will do this?

I trust you too won't be leaving DU either.

[JackORoses]

81. $75 sounds fine.

Now we just wait for the Nominee.

When that is done, the loser makes their donation and provides the winner with a copy of the PM that Skinner sends them to confirm.
Since neither of us plans on leaving, we can stay in touch through PMs.

Pleasure doing 'business' with you.

[BzaDem]

59. No, I wouldn't bet on her, because I agree her chances of winning are less than 50%.

But they are still significant, definatly significant enough for her to stay in the race. It's just that Obama is more likely than not going to be the nominee, so betting would be against anyone's interest.

[MattBaggins]

68. Her chances are somewhere down around 8%

Her chances entered the guaranteed pyhrric victory state a long time ago.

[mckeown1128]

62. I am willing to do a REAL 5 to 1 bet with a Clinton supporter

over who is going to win the nomination. For every 50$ I bet for Obama winning... You bet $10 for Hillary winning... I am willing to right it in paper and make it a legal wager. I would love for one of you to put your money where your mouth is.


You bet 100 I will be 500!!! Any takers?

[JackORoses]

66. DSB keeps saying he is up for that.

Looks like I have an even money wager in the works with Elsewheres.

come on Hillarites, I know there are more of you who want to play!

[tabasco]

69. Will just disappear, not pay.

Many of the hillbots are just trolls anyway.

[Perry Logan]

70. The Hillary people know the Obama people would renege on the bet.

[JackORoses]

82. that's why we have Skinner hold the checks

then he just cashes the loser's

[dbmk]

71. Why do you get to pick Obama!?!

x(

[B Calm]

73. kick

[barack the house]

76. I wouldn't encourage betting so they start betting how odes anyside back down it shouldnt be allowed

Fine if you do it personally but I don't thinkit should be promoted, betting slants democracy.

[varelse]

77. They already have made their bets

by donating time and/or money to her campaign. I see this as baiting them. Why bother with this when there are (and I'm serious) so many good things you could be saying about your own candidate?

:shrug:

[lumberjack_jeff]

79. You're just overconfident because you won with Nixon.

"in front" is not synonymous with "right".

I was a McGovern supporter even when I knew he was a loser. I was still right.

[ileus]

85. 50 states in 2008 give her a chance...she's our man!

as for betting on her, sure if you allow MI and FL in the mix.

I'll donate 50 to the NRA if she wins...