Do we want to win or not?

[Splinter Cell]

If we do, then there are many of us in this party that need to step up and get on the wagon. HRC is not running for the nomination anymore, she's running to damage Obama so she can have 2012. We can't allow this to happen.

She is bringing nothing to the table but lies and ammunition for the repukes in the fall. It's time that we banded together as a party and progressive movement and ended this farce.

There is NO REASON in the world why we shouldn't win this presidential election. None. Period. Except the fact that Hillary will not be an adult and put what's best for the country ahead of her agenda.

I know a lot of folks support her. A lot of folks supported Huckabee and Romney and the others in the GOP too, but they're putting that aside to unite behind McCain, and we need to step up to the plate and do the same. Let's get behind Barack Obama now. Don't throw away the presidency because you can't let go. Let's win.

[Joey Liberal]

1. I agree with The Godfather

Hillary is only damaging the Democratic Party.

[MADem]

2. Take that half baked theory and stuff it. No coronations in democracies. NT

[Splinter Cell]

3. That is exactly....

What is going to screw this country over again for another four long years. Shit or get off the pot.

[gabeana]

4. Why thats what Hillary expected

didn't get it, so now you are against coronations:rofl:

[MADem]

8. Well, that's YOUR take. You should be happy--she wasn't crowned.

So stop complaining, grow up, and let the process play out.

[gabeana]

10. Let the process play out

fair enough

[mmonk]

18. There's nothing out there to be gained

with the politics now being played on the frontrunner as far as the party goes.

[Splinter Cell]

15. Oh, I am grown up...

That's why I'm able to see through this bullshit. This fight is NOT GOOD FOR THE PARTY. If you think it is, you're out of your mind. This is the democratic party letting itself snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.

[MADem]

20. Oh, please. Why don't you stop carping like five year olds angry because

you can't have that shiny new toy, and start touting your candidate? For a CHANGE?

The Obama crew here is like a bunch of one-note wonders, crying, whining, and griping about Clinton, Clinton, Clinton.

No one says ANYTHING good about Obama--all they do is pout and complain about Clinton.

And then, they play the FEAR card--"Oh, I feeeeeeear we'll SNATCH DEFEAT from the JAWS of VICTORY!" How childishly DIRE.

If we can't take a battle through June, we don't deserve to win.

I have WAY more faith in the party than you do, apparently. What a wussy attitude, that "Waaaah, waaaah, this is not goooood for the paaaaarty!" Please. It's GREAT for the party--it's energizing the base AND bringing in new voters. Everyone, save you, Ole Gloomy-Doomy, apparently, sees that.

Try being less angry and more positive. Try being less AFRAID and more proactive.

Either your candidate brings it, or he goes home. We're Democrats--we don't "coddle" little weaklings. If he's strong enough, he'll win it and earn it. Otherwise, he'll have more time to attend his kids' dance recitals.

Sorry. No candidate is gonna step aside to make you happy. So just get over that dream. This is a fight to the finish, even if you don't like it--and it will make the eventual winner stronger--but ONLY if it plays out ALL THE WAY.

[hfojvt]

23. stop complaining? Why? Isn't this America?

A joke from Reader's Digest back in the 1980s

A man was leaving the Soviet Union to goto America, and government agents were questioning why he wanted to leave.
Was it the government they asked?
No, he said. I have no complaints.
Was it his job then?
No, he said. I have no complaints.
Was it the economy, perhaps. Food shortages? Long lines?
No, he said. I have no complaints.
They were puzzled. If you do not have a problem with the government, your job, your apartment, or the economy, then why do you want to leave?
Because, he said, over there I get to complain.


Then there's Calvin, who mused:

Somewhere in Russia there's a little boy who's never known anything but tyrrany and oppression.


But maybe he's heard of America and dreams of living in this land of freedom and opportunity.


Someday I'd like to meet that little boy.


And tell him the awful truth about this place!!!

(at which point his dad says)
Calvin, be quiet and eat the stupid lima beans.

[KingFlorez]

16. Good post

[LakeSamish706]

5. I seriously am hoping that we don't have much longer before the SD's do this...

for us as they should. I agree she is doing everything possible to damage Barack and preventing his win in November and for that both she and Bill need to be given there walking papers from the Democratic Party.

[BlooInBloo]

6. I'm with Digby. This handwringing is just typical Democrat nervous-nellieism...

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/going-distance-by-digby-i-hate-writing.html

To me, this primary is actually a good thing for the fall. All this hand wringing strikes me as typical Democratic nervous nellie-ism. A huge increase in Democratic voter registration, building of strong ground operations in most states, new technologies being beta tested, lots of media coverage and battle testing for the nominee are of benefit to the nominee in the fall. Meanwhile, the Democrats stay at center stage while McCain wanders around in obscurity, failing to raise money and leaving a trail of gaffes in his wake. As long as they don't know at whom to aim their fire the Republicans can't cement their narrative. In the end, I remain convinced that we are going into an election that is so fundamentally seismic that either of them can win it, even if more closely than we might want, due to the breakthrough nature of their campaigns. The primary continuing on is not going to change that.

[cbayer]

12. That is really good.

Thanks for posting it. I totally agree.

[BlooInBloo]

13. :) Digby is ALWAYS really good. Smartest writer this side of Wolcott.

[thoughtcrime1984]

17. I agree with the sentiment through June 3rd, but not late August

This must be resolved well before the convention, IMO.

[rwheeler31]

7. How can we pressure the supers to get this over?

[barack the house]

9. Easier said than done. THe words kitchen were strategic emotional trigger words.

The opponents camp are using every psyhcological technique and distortion to cause this friction really. We can only hold on tight and keep going. Hope for the best. Hope, hope is what got us here today.

[Bluebear]

11. 'HRC is not running for the nomination anymore, she's running to damage Obama so she can have 2012'

Well, sez you.

[2rth2pwr]

14. Jeez, you sure are planting a seed a long time before the general. If he gets

the nomination and loses to McCain, it will be her fault?

[kennetha]

19. Obama will NOT be the democratic nominee

When he loses West Virginia, Indiana , Kentucky, Puerto Rico and is upset in North Carolina and Oregon, the air will come rushing out of his balloon. Plus add that there will be a floor fight over Michigan and Florida, whose delegations WILL be seated, and he is toast.

You can't see it coming because you have drunk the kool-aid and bought into the Obama and media spin. But it's coming. Obama is burnt toast!!

[Austinitis]

21. After PA I'm more worried about going forward with Obama than about dragging this out

We can't exactly win if we can't pull in states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc.

[SeattleGirl]

22. Apples and oranges, Austinitis.

Right now, we have Dem running against Dem; in the GE, it's Democratic v Republican. The game will be different then.

[TragedyandHope]

24. Yes, we will win in November

No matter the Democratic nominee. Personally, I feel Obama is the stronger candidate and will do a vastly better job bringing back Democratic values to the White House and to our country.

Either candidate will stomp on McCain, but we need to get our act together. We need to select our candidate and work to bring the party back together to form a united front against McCain as soon as possible.