All Obama Supporters, call the DNC tomorrow and tell them about the math!

[gokansas]

Tell them once they explain delegate math to Hillary and explain how super delegates will not go against a 70-120 delegate lead that you will donate money to them again!

Here is the DNC number: 202-863-8000

Here is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee number: 202-863-1500

Call both and explain no donations until the delegate leader is the nominee.

[papau]

1. I only math that counts is the 49 state Mondale loss that is the future if Obama is nominated

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

6. oooh!!! papau can SEE INTO THE FUTURE!

oooooh! What are the winning lottery numbers going to be tomorrow, oh great sage?

[jackson_dem]

18. 49 states is a bit too much but it doesn't take an oracle to figure out Obama would lose the GE

[damonm]

8. One day, reality will penetrate your little bubble...

But I shan't hold my breath...

[Yes We Did]

12. Huh? Mondale won the big states just like Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

2. They know the math. They also know the math of a McSame landslide of Obama is the nominee

[Hippo_Tron]

3. Then why haven't they flooded to Hillary?

If Obama can't win a general election why not just give her the nomination now so that she has more time to run against McCain?

[jackson_dem]

11. These politicians have other factors to consider, chiefly alienating O's voters

Obama's pledged delegate lead is insurmountable, assuming he succeeds in disenfranchising Florida and Michigan. So why haven't they ended it for him to give him more time to run against McSame instead of wasting time with someone who the netroots says has already lost? Clearly they have concerns about Obama...Just today two PA supers said they would wait to see what the final popular vote is. This is key. The popular vote is the only thing that can give supers the necessary cover to go with Clinton.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. Her own Super Delegates say they're going with the will of the pledged delegates

Barney Frank and Maria Cantwell among them. Nancy Pelosi has said the same thing. If these people knew that Obama was a sure bet to lose the GE, they wouldn't be saying that they will vote based on a metric that Obama will obviously win.

[jackson_dem]

17. All three are elected politicians who have careers to consider

Whether Obama wins the GE or loses the GE will not cost them their job. Alienating blacks, young voters, and Obama's affluent white bases potentially could.

Personal interests and electability are just two factors to consider. Another is how it would effect the party down ticket and long-term. One reason Mondale was chosen over Hart was the supers calculated that while he was far less electable than Hart he would help down ticket by producing higher turnout among unions and blacks. One of the individuals you mentioned is the Speaker of the House. She has a particularly vested interest in ensuring segments of the party don't sit out the fall election in protest. If we lose the black vote that would cost us for a generation, especially because we know the Obama campaign will play the race card to ensure the supers don't give it to Clinton and thereby inflame things. This is why Clinton winning the popular vote is crucial. Without it the supers have no rationale to offer that the public would accept for choosing her.

[Hippo_Tron]

21. Barney Frank and Maria Cantwell's jobs don't depend on this

Barney Frank will win re-election easily no matter what. Maria Cantwell doesn't have to run again for another four years when all of this will be a distant memory no matter what happens.

If Obama was unelectable as you suggest then don't you think her own Super Delegates would be calling for the decision to be based on the popular vote, a measure by which she actually has a shot of winning?

And also wasn't Gary Hart's coalition based around affluent liberals and college students? Mondale beat him badly among blue-collar voters like Hillary is beating Obama. Yet you seem to think that Obama is going to be a repeat of Mondale when he is far more like Gary Hart. I don't get it.

[jackson_dem]

22. I offered theories. I can't read their minds

He isn't another Mondale. He is most likely another Dukakis in terms of how he will perform in the general election.

Hart was similar to Dean. Obama has an extra 15% from the high level of black support he enjoys. Hart and Dean lacked this. You can't just look at coalitions either. You have to look at margins. Did Hart get 28% of the white working class vote in Ohio and 30% in Pennsylvania?

Mondale's problem was he was associated with an unpopular president. Just as Dick Cheney cannot win in 2012 neither could Mondale in 1984. Hart would have lost in a landslide as well. There was no way Reagan was going to lose that year. The best Hart could have done is maybe win 2-3 more states (remember that Carter won only 89 electoral votes and he lost by 10) and maybe get a couple more points in the popular vote.

[Hippo_Tron]

25. Carter's EV count would've reflected the popular vote without Anderson in the race

And Hart and Dean weren't running against a former first lady. Clinton would have the nomination locked up right now if Obama were white because blacks would vote for her in about the same percentage that working class whites are now. Likewise if Obama weren't running against Hillary Clinton he would gotten enough white working class voters to lock this thing up a long time ago.

If Hillary is the nominee she won't be running against a black man in the fall. If Obama is the nominee he won't be running against a Clinton in the fall.

We can't compare this to a typical primary because it isn't a typical primary. Hillary's advantage from the start was comparable (although not quite as great) as being an incumbent VP with the President's endorsement. Only by cutting into some key demographic (in Obama's case black voters) could someone even hope to be competitive against that.

[jackson_dem]

13. These politicians have other factors to consider chiefly their interests and not alienating O voters

Obama's pledged delegate lead is insurmountable, assuming he succeeds in disenfranchising Florida and Michigan. So why haven't they ended it for him to give him more time to run against McSame instead of wasting time with someone who the netroots says has already lost? Clearly they have concerns about Obama...Just today two PA supers said they would wait to see what the final popular vote is. This is key. The popular vote is the only thing that can give supers the necessary cover to go with Clinton.

[damonm]

9. Facts do not support you,

but dream on.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

[jackson_dem]

10. I addressed that in another thread. It is a fairy tale to think Obama is immune from political gravi

Look at what happens to "new" candidates who run against a non-incumbent when the other party attacks him. Is Obama immune to what happened to Kerry, Bush, and Dukakis? Kerry and Bush lost 11 points from the spring to the election. Dukakis lost 24 from the convention to the election. If Obama mirrors Kerry and Bush he will lose the GE by 10 points--the same margin Carter lost in 1980...

[Yes We Did]

14. I hate to tell ya... Obama is not Kerry, Bush or Dukakis.

And we won't lose the election by 10. We'll win by 20.

They Don't Like McCain.

We have come out to vote 3-1.

If we show up... They CAN'T win.

[Taxmyth]

4. Ooops

darn double clicks

[Taxmyth]

5. I'm sure they understand the math

I'm not so sure Senator Obama supporters do.....variables and all, ya know. Preceeding statement based on this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5642962&mesg_id=5642962

[TheDoorbellRang]

19. Ha! I'm amazed you're not embarassed to link to that. You were pwn3d!

Math indeed. :rofl:

[madfloridian]

7. The DCCC is not the same as the DNC

You need to decide which you want people to call and why.

Dean is doing his job. He does not have power to tell Hillary to drop out.

No one does.

[guruoo]

16. You think the DNC is gonna tell Clinton to quit?

[smalll]

20. HA! Telling Obamatrons to call the DNC. Again, I say HA!

Chairman Dean has been in the tank for your strange new god from Day One. What the hell do you think your protest calls will do? Howie has been doing everything he can officially, unofficially, up front and from behind the scenes to throw the nom to the Barackstar. What more do you want from him? :shrug:

[cooolandrew]

23. Ask nice we DON'T want them against us. Be civil and ask politely we get more that way.

[cooolandrew]

24. What will help is if you donate to the DNC and say you justdonated it perks up ears.