Again with the unity ticket.

[Warren Stupidity]

I said yesterday that I thought that the results of the Pennsylvania primary were the worst possible outcome for our party and our prospects in November, and I continue to believe that is true. Clinton will continue her zombie campaign, a campaign who's only path to the nomination requires overturning the results of the primaries and caucuses by convincing a vast majority of the super delegates to vote for her, a fact that has taken her to a strategy of going deeply negative against Obama on personal, not political, issues. She is succeeding in damaging Obama, but she will not likely succeed in winning the nomination. Obama will get the nomination but will be so damaged by August that McCain will likely win. We get stuck with another four years of corrupt stupid venal misrule, two or three really fascist supreme court judges, four more years of war, and Bush et al get completely off the hook for crimes committed in our name. Clinton gets a shot at 2012. Obama, as we discard our losers like last call one night stands the next morning, is done for good.

I'm not liking this scenario at all.

Obviously Mrs Clinton is not going to do the right thing and stand down. That would be an act of greatness that she is not capable of.

As I see it the only resolution that ends the shit-flinging contest is a unity ticket. And as I see it, the only way that happens is if Obama agrees to the second slot. I hate writing this. I am not down with it. But I suspect that it is the only way out.

Convince me I am wrong.

[oviedodem]

1. As far as I am concerned if one is affiliated with DLC, Third Way, etc I will NOT vote

for the ticket.

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Fine but that is not really a compelling argument.

[PBS Poll-435]

3. I would prefer Clinton on the top of the ticket,

But I am not rigid on that.

I want them to team up and show America what they can do.

I want a 55% - 42% azz kicking in November.

[guyanakoolaid]

4. Enough of this defeatist crap

The voting records of Clinton and Obama are similar, although they have their obvious differences. However, when Obama takes on John McCain and unleashes a torrent of truth on him, McCain will be helpless.

[Pirate Smile]

5. You're wrong. This will essentially be over after Indiana and North Carolina.

The Supers are just waiting for an Obama win to coalesce around Obama. That will happen on May 6th. Clinton can stay in but Obama will have enough delegates between the pledged and supers to get the nomination.

We knew on March 5th that Obama just needed to survive Penn and make it to North Carolina and Indiana. We have just been living that out. We are now less then two weeks from it. Relax. It is going to be ok. :)

Don't let the Clinton's wear you down. That is what they count on.

[JBoy]

29. I think you're exactly right. The high of a big Obama win in NC will seal it.

[Olney Blue]

6. Obama won't agree to the second slot.

[knixphan]

7. superdelegates will convince you, no worries.

[EFerrari]

8. Obama has won. If he himself believes that and ignores her,

focusing on McCain from here on out, we'll be fine.

I don't see a way for these two people to share a ticket. Too much sh!t under the bridge.

[msallied]

14. I think I read somewhere (maybe it was on here)

that the Obama campaign was set to fully focus on McCain and ignore Hillary. I think this is brilliant strategy. Treat her like a non-entity and she will soon become one.

[EFerrari]

18. I already posted that that is how you handle stalkers.

Seriously. You disallow them any contact with you. Then, they have to go fixate somewhere else.

I hope he has the good sense to do that.

[Shae]

32. In his speech last night

he congratulated Clinton on her win, and I'm not sure he even mentioned her again. He was campaigning against McCain.

[book_worm]

9. If he handily wins NC and takes Indiana no matter by how small of a margin

the Super Delegates will begin to pressure her to get out. If she doesn't they will begin endorsing Obama by larger numbers than they currently are (he seems to pick up one or two sd every day). If she wins Indiana she continues probably to the end of the primary season in June. At that point whoever leads in states, delegates, and popular vote will get the vast support of the Super Delegates and tehy will put that person (probably Obama) ahead well before the convention. I think as VP Hillary needs Obama more than he needs her. He needs to go with somebody like Richardson or Biden in my opinion--or Jim Webb from Virginia.

[Shae]

34. He picked up 2 today

she picked up 1.

If I counted right, she's picked up 10 in April, and he's picked up 21.

[Tribetime]

10. I'm trying not to think about that today, I'll wait a few days

[ej510]

11. Fuck the DLC!!!

[Tribetime]

19. "Serenitry Now" thanks ej

[Andy823]

12. No matter what slot

On such a ticket, we lose! How can they unite after all the crap Clinton has slung at Obama? The republicans would have a field day with using everything Hillary said against them. And the big factor is that every republican in the country comes out to vote "against" Hillary, no matter what slot she has on the ticket, they hate her that much, not to mention the vast number of democrats that won't vote for a ticket with Hillary on top!

[GarbagemanLB]

13. Help me out. I'm trying to comprehend WHY THE FUCK you think the person in first should take

the second place on the ticket..

[samdogmom]

21. Pssst...look at his user name...that says a lot!

Me? ABSOLUTELY NO UNITY TICKET! Obama will win and he needs a strong VP candidate--Hillary will prove to be a 100 lb. dead weight around his neck. I'll be outraged if Hillary wins a spot on the ticket. So far all her performance has earned her is a spot in the hall of shame. End of story.

[Warren Stupidity]

23. Wow. Did you think that up all on your own? You are very smart!

Why the second slot?

1) Clinton is an obstinate asshole and won't budge. She will not put our future ahead of her personal ambition.
2) Clinton would be too old to run in 2016.
3) Obama is young enough to consider a run in 2016.
4) Obama is not an asshole and would consider putting our future ahead of his personal ambition.

[Liberal Gramma]

27. So, we should reward someone for being an asshole?

And punish someone who isn't? What kind of behavior does that promote? Do you want us all to be Republicans?

[Warren Stupidity]

30. Clinton is beyond training.

I am not happy with this solution, I just think it might be the only way to avoid a defeat.

[dansolo]

38. You forgot #5

Obama is unwilling to sacrifice his principles, and will not serve as a token black for Hillary.

If Hillary gets the nomination, Obama will just continue his work in the Senate. If she needs him on the ticket to beat McCain, then what does that say about her electibility?

[msongs]

15. Gore/Obama - Gore first because he was already elected president once nt

[newmajority]

16. 28 years of BushClinton trickle down corporatist reverse robin hood middle class destroying bullshit

Hillary is part of the problem which is killing this country. She cannot be on this ticket. Or any other ticket in the future.

No more Bush. No more Clinton. Not now, not ever.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. I didn't say I liked this option. I hate it.

I hate a McCain pretzleduncy worse.

[LWolf]

17. There's only one part where you are wrong.

I'm on board for a unity ticket.

As long as Clinton and Obama don't appear anywhere on it. They are the antithesis of "unity," and I don't see any possible good coming of putting them together.

I don't think either of them can unify the party, I don't think either of them can win in November, and I don't think putting two bad candidates together somehow equals something good.

I'd like to see this unity ticket:

Gore/Edwards

[cbayer]

20. I agree with you and recommend this OP.

I tried to start one a while back without even saying how the ticket should read and got smacked down.

I think we have the opportunity for a real co-presidency here.

[crankychatter]

22. If Clinton goes to the White House NY can get a Democratic Senator

If Obama goes to the White House, we lose a Democratic Senator

go Clinton, eh?

:sarcasm:

[Liberal Gramma]

25. Why should Obama agree to the second slot?

And, further, why should Clinton be on the ticket? I wouldn't be surprised if she went third-party after she loses this one.

[Cha]

28. Good questions... I hope the OP of this

stupid suggestion answers you.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. Because Clinton wont.

I agree it is totally fucked. It is only less fucked than a McCain presidency.

[Cha]

26. hilary goes back to New York in fucking Disgrace..

how's that for unity?

[Shae]

35. I can live with that. nt

[scheming daemons]

33. A unity ticket guarantees a McCain presidency.... what good is the nomination if you add an anchor

..to your campaign?

[Cha]

36. There is no good. Anchors that weigh 5

million tons need to get lost and go lick their wounds.

[AtomicKitten]

37. "zombie campaign"

Clinton's objective:



Obama's objective:



**** Psst: He is the presumptive nominee. Fuck her. She'll roll around on the ground a bit and will be alright.

[Beacool]

39. Why should step down.

You people still don't get it. For many Hillary supporters Obama is too inexperienced to be president and we will stick with Hillary until the convention if it comes to it. Don't assume that even if Hillary drops out that all her supporters would vote for Obama.........