Obama: If you brag about being a fighter, your not really one

[monicaaida]

Senator Barack Obama of Illinois was asked today about Senator Hillary Rodam Clinton of New York's claim that she's a fighter, and has survived the republican attacks. Senator Obama replied by saying "I grew up with good old Kansas values". "What those values say is that if your tough and a fighter you don't have to brag about it", "and what that suggest is that if your bragging your not really one". Then the Senator said that "it's false for Senator Clinton to say that she survived the Republican attacks because if she did she would be less polarizing".

[anonymous171]

1. WAY TO GO! Give it to her!

:woohoo:

[Muttocracy]

2. does your actual source have spelling errors too? or is this your transcript of audio? nt

[Starbucks Anarchist]

3. Link?

[Connie_Corleone]

4. Good quote, but it's "YOU'RE", not "your"

[zulchzulu]

55. That seems to be a problem with a lot of Hillary supporters...

Basic 3rd grade grammer...

[C_U_L8R]

5. What fights has Hillary won?

We all know she botched up healthcare.
I don't know of any other fights... a proxy battle on the Walmart board?

[monicaaida]

7. oh

i saw on tv, it was after the townhall

[C_U_L8R]

19. Was there Crown Royal involved?

say no more.

[frogcycle]

6. your illiterate

[Emit]

24. Do you mean, "you're illiterate"?

[JBoy]

37. LOL!

[frogcycle]

58. I don't know if you got the joke or think I'm an idiot

but whatever

[madeline_con]

8. So, the spelling gets attacked.

:eyes:

[damonm]

11. Attacking spelling errors - FIRST CLUE that the attacker's got nothing...

[madeline_con]

36. welcome newcommer...

:hi:

[patrice]

39. Some of us are just worried about what's happening to our language.

It's not personal, no judgement on the mis-speller, just taking a stand in defense of something that has produced many works of great beauty and seems now to be in a constant state of deconstruction.

[Frank Booth]

48. You spelled judgment incorrectly. Nice try though.

[FlyingSquirrel]

49. And I don't think you need a hyphen in misspeller

[patrice]

56. Yeah, I'm slipping too, didn't used to have that problem.

No one is claiming perfection, just trying to explain what's up with at least some corrections.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

76. "Judgement" is an acceptable alternate spelling.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/judgment

[meow mix]

9. Lookout, Tina Fey grammer-nuns are after you..

:hide:

[Condem]

10. Hillary Clinton

Less polarizing. Now I've truly heard it all!

[Cha]

12. hilary's always braggin' about some shit.

She's a "fighter" all right..Fighters for Sleaze Unite.

[McCamy Taylor]

13. What if your opponent says you stuck the knife in and gave it a twist? Are you a fighter then?

Seriously, that one makes no sense.

Now, Clinton can snap back "My opponent says he will give us change, but I have not seen any change yet. Where is the change, Barack Obama? Show us the beef!" And all the women will giggle.

Has it occurred to anyone that the Clinton camp is probably the best place to pick up women?

[anonymous171]

15. Because that worked so well for Mondale, didn't it?

[anigbrowl]

22. I'd giggle too...who says 'show us the beef?'

I guess she can't afford to say 'Show me the money'...might cause people to start thinking about her lack of fiscal control.

[TahitiNut]

45. "the Clinton camp is probably the best place to pick up women?"

No, thanks. The women supporting Obama are more attractive, BY FAR. It ain't even close.

[bigwillq]

14. That's a very strong response

from Obama. Nice job! :thumbsup:

[QC]

16. Did he learn that at prep school or at Harvard? n/t

[anonymous171]

27. I dunno. Did Hillary learn to fight from her years at Yale or during her time at WalMart?

[Freida5]

17. He afraid to fight. Won't debate. Won't do interviews. Won't let Mich and Florida vote.

[anonymous171]

20. lol. Drank the kool aid?

[walldude]

25. Yeah, won't debate Flag Lapel pins.. what an ass..

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Funny I saw an interview with him last night. He has no control over Michigan or Fla, and the debates are a joke. Got anything else?

[rodeodance]

54. he is mega Wimp.

[Hugabear]

78. Utter bullshit, wrong on every count

Won't fight? What do you think he's been doing these past several weeks? Is he running a 'negative campaign' or is he 'afraid to fight'? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Won't debate? Hmmm. Last I checked, there have been over 20 debates, including several that were just him and Hillary. After being ambushed by those Sean Hannity written questions last week, after Hillary trying to tie him to Hamas, what is the need for further debate? Also, what about the fact that your candidate was the one who initially didn't want to debate in North Carolina?

Won't do interviews? He's done quite a few of them so far.

Won't let Michigan and Florida vote? Wrong. He didn't force them to break the rules. Why did your candidate wait until AFTER both states had already voted to decide she was suddenly going to fight for them? Why wasn't she pushing for some sort of solution when Michigan and Florida broke the rules?

[GeoK]

18. That's AWESOME!

As a Kansan, I can relate to those "good old values." I hope our state goes blue for him!

[patrice]

29. That IS awesome! Me too; I recognized that right away.

He has it exactly right. If you have to go around telling folks you're ________, it's because you're short on __________________ and have to make up the difference.

From the list of the legislation she has sponsored, looks like she is a shmoozer, not a fighter.

[damonm]

21. And , as jgraz pointed out SO well in another thread:

"Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of John Ashcroft?

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Alberto Gonzales?

Where was her "fight" during the failed Senate confirmation of John Bolton?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of corrupt corporatist Priscilla Owen, clearing the way for her confirmation to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of unqualified fascist Janice Rogers Brown, clearing the way for her confirmation to the DC Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of religious zealot and homophobe William H. Pryor, clearing the way for his confirmation to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR cloture on the nomination of John Roberts, clearing the way for his confirmation as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court?

Where was her "fight" during the Senate confirmation of Samuel Alito?

Where was her "fight" when she skipped the Senate debate and confirmation vote on Michael Mukasey?

Where was her "fight" against the Military Commissions Act?

Where was her "fight" during this summer's vote on the Iraq War Supplemental?

Where was her "fight" during the vote to extend FISA?

Where was her "fight" during the Walter Reid scandal?

Where was her "fight" during the debate on Telecom Immunity?

Where was her "fight" when she SKIPPED the Senate vote to strip TelCo immunity from the FISA bill?

Where was her "fight" on the possible impeachment of Dick Cheney?

Where was her "fight" on the possible impeachment of George Bush?

Where was her "fight" against the myriad scandals surrounding the current administration?

Where was her "fight" when she campaigned for Joe Lieberman against Ned Lamont?

Where was her "fight" when she proposed legislation to ban flag burning?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the 2001 Bankruptcy Bill?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the USAPATRIOT act?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the renewal USAPATRIOT act?

Where was her "fight" when she voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent the use of cluster bombs against civilian populations?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the Iraq War Resolution?

Where was her "fight" when she voted FOR the Kyl/Lieberman amendment?


For some reason, Hillary Clinton only seems to be "a fighter" when she's fighting to feed her own naked ambition. Is that really what we want in a president?"

[patrice]

47. Proof, as Paolo Freire would say, that HC "has internalized the oppressor".

http://www.infed.org/thinkers/et-freir.htm

I think he describes this in his book Pedagogy of the Oppressed

[EffieBlack]

62. Several claims in this post are wrong

Hillary did NOT vote for cloture on any of the nominees cited and she voted against their nominations.

I don't know where J got this information, but it's inaccurate.

[redqueen]

82. I appreciate your setting the record straight on that stuff.

:thumbsup:

[FightingIrish]

23. Obama is definitely not doing well in the dumbshit demographic.

[QC]

28. I dunno--the dumbshits around here can't get enough of him. n/t

[patrice]

26. That's a "high road" response. Shows he CAN engage their Shit without getting Shitty.

It IS possible to fight back without personal insults.

Take what she says away from her and make it his own by using it to create alternative perceptions of what she is.

[monicaaida]

30. go

jawhawks

[patrice]

33. w00t!

:woohoo:

[maddiejoan]

31. Ya know.

If you brag about having "good ol' Kansas values"

You don't really have them.

[boston bean]

32. Muhammed Ali, never ever bragged, O should know, that's his hero! nt

[anonymous171]

42. Ali actually fought people. He didn't lay down when in got tough.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

73. Well, he might have boasted that he was "pretty"

:rofl:

float like a butterfly ...

[rug]

34. When did Honolulu move to Kansas?

[GarbagemanLB]

35. when did park ridge become pa become ny?

[rug]

43. I believe she actually spent more of her life in those places than Obama did in Kansas.

Will we hear about his good old Indiana values tomorrow?

[EFerrari]

60. His mother was from Kansas. n/t

[monicaaida]

41. gp

the people who raised him are kansans

[Growler]

38. Woohoo!

Exactly correct! If she had survived (like she claims) she wouldn't be so utterly damaged.

Reminds me of what I've always said about Ted Nugent: he wouldn't have to go around telling everyone he was "the alpha male" if he actually was, because alpha males don't need to brag about it, they just ARE. Nugent is an alpha-male-wannabe; beta male at best. :P

[Erin Elizabeth]

40. Exactly.

I once had a new boss who spent his entire first day talking to us about how honest he was. You know what Mark Twain said about that? If someone starts talking about how honest they are, count the silverware.

Obama is exactly right. Those who are tough don't have to say so. It shows. Those with integrity don't have to say so, people know it. Etc.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. Hillary = Lucrezia Borgia?

http://www.essortment.com/all/lucreziaborgia_rldl.htm

[tularetom]

46. i've said this for years

and it's true about bush as well.

If you have to constantly tell me how tough you are, you ain't very tough.

[dansolo]

50. If she survived the attakcs, then why are her negatives so high?

On one hand Hillary supporters complain about bringing up old Republican attacks on Hillary. But if she has survived those same attacks, why are they still effective?

[BenDavid]

51. if gee there barack, if you say you can bring people together then

damn, you sure are doing one hell of a job with the democratic party. Now ain't ya there slim.
We had this thing won until old Barack decided he just had to unite us....wow.....one hell of a job barack is doing now ain't he.

[Straight Shooter]

52. Well, Obama brags that he's the better candidate to bring this country together ...

So if he brags that he is, it follows that he isn't.

The man who sputtered and muttered during the last debate when under attack isn't much of a fighter, himself.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. He did a lot better than I would have done under that absurd line of questioning

Imagine Clinton being asked Vince Foster, Whitewater, and Monica Lewinsky questions. Then, the moderators turning to Barack and asking what he thought about those things.

[TPILOL]

53. She is a fighter!

First she had to fight Repuglycans and nwo she's fighting her fellow Democrats!

[Adelante]

69. Welcome to DU, TPILOL

:hi:

[MyNameGoesHere]

59. Now he grew up in kansas? he is getting more confused

by the day. How did he grow up with Kansas values? Long distance osmosis from Hawaii?

[TexasLady]

61. He is referring to his Mom, a Kansan, who raised him.

[MyNameGoesHere]

63. yeah it is always someone elses fault

but yesterday and in the weeks before HRC claiming PA values was hideous and evil. Can nothing Lord Obama does be scrutinized and held to account? WHEN HE SAID KANSAS VALUES he is a pandering politician. Can you even admit that?

[TexasLady]

66. Lord Obama?

While I appreciate the sentiment, you don't have to go there. Why aren't you enjoying Hillary's victory today?
I personally never said one raw thing about her here. Perhaps reply to someone that has? :shrug:

[MyNameGoesHere]

74. What victory?

Many Obama supporters claim she did not win. Just as they claim that some 14 million < it is rounded up i know it is not an exact number don't lecture me on math for gods sake> of us that voted for Clinton are demented, retarded, white trash or republican. Just today i was told i supported a witch on these boards. And you take exception to lord Obama? Well even though i think worse of Obama supporters i will not go nuclear in my replies because Obama is not evil or a bad person. Lord Obama is quite tame really.

[TexasLady]

75. I don't despise Hillary either, promise.

and I certainly don't see the point in name calling either candidate. I reserve that for repugnants. :P

[Adelante]

64. He was raised by Kansans

Obviously.

[MyNameGoesHere]

65. maybe but not really.

During her life, she was known by four different names, each representing a distinct chapter. In the course of the Stanley period, her family moved more than five times—from Kansas to California to Texas to Washington—before her 18th birthday. Her father, a furniture salesman, had a restlessness that she inherited.

Even his mother was not raised in Kansas. The Kansas values is just what a pandering politician does. Hillary did it, and your candidate does it to. Get over it he is a politician.

[Adelante]

67. Who says he's not a politician? Get over it yourself.

He was raised by his mother and his Kansan grandparents. I was born and raised in NYC. I don't live there now, but believe me, I haven't lost the culture that was instilled in me. Nobody ever does.

[my3boyz]

70. Better than that witch you support that claims to be from every state she campaigns in...

Illinois,New York,PA,Arkansas......and more to come......I'm sure she will come up with some sort of story for Indiana too.

[MyNameGoesHere]

71. Witch? Why say that?

Are you a bitter white man?

[my3boyz]

79. I suspect you would not like the word I initially wanted to use..Let's just say it starts with a B.

[MyNameGoesHere]

85. Oh that is decent of you not to call a woman a bitch. Witch is much better. n/t

[here_is_to_hope]

77. She did drive through it on her way from IL to PA....n/t

[Adelante]

68. The quote is here - I agree with every word of it

It is what I heard him say on a CNN clip. I didn't hear the Kansas part, although it fits and I'm not disputing that:

"Senator Clinton has been trying a lot of different approaches and a lot of different criticism. This is sort of the kitchen sink strategy," Obama told reporters in New Albany, Indiana Wednesday after the town hall meeting. "And you know I know that people like to talk tough and use a lot of rhetoric about fighting and obliterating and all that stuff. You know that I have always believed that if you are tough you don't have to talk about it."

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1734639,00.html


Here it is again from a different source:

Clinton has tried to underline her message that she is the tougher candidate by running an ad featuring images of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.

The Republican National Committee has weighed in as well, suggesting Obama tries to dodge hard questions from the media.

“I know that people like to talk tough and use a lot of rhetoric about fighting and obliterating and all that stuff. You know that I have always believed that if you are tough, you don’t have to talk about it,” Obama said.

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/04/23/obama-you-dont-have-to-talk-tough-to-be-tough/

[redqueen]

83. Thanks for the links.

:hi:

[Buzz Clik]

72. Thanks, newb. Welcome to DU.

I'll let somebody else punch the alert button on you. I've other fish to fry.

[leftynyc]

80. Tell that to Mohammad Ali

He went around telling everyone he was the greatest and yes, he was.

[blm]

81. Fighting WAS ALSO SHOWBIZ for Ali - and bragging is part of it. He DID fight, too. Hillary DOESN'T

fight FOR any issue except her elections.

[TragedyandHope]

84. Ouch!