Remember a time when Democrats opposed using nuclear weapons while campaigning?

[JVS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg

Sad development in the last 44 years on this front.

[mac2]

1. Clinton was bent on it.

[QC]

2. Remember a time when there were some substantive discussions on this forum?

Been a while, hasn't it?

[JVS]

4. Rattling the nuclear saber is a very serious issue.

Of course Hillary supporters will not rise to the occasion for serious discussion about it.

[QC]

9. Neither will Hillary-haters,

who seem to think that she invented the whole concept of retaliation.

Let's get real: every president since Truman would say the same thing. This is just more phony outrage.

[Voice for Peace]

10. phony outrage? you can't be serious.

[Danger Mouse]

13. Would you have been bothered if those words had come from Bush or McCain?

In fact, do you think Bush WOULD say something like that, or ever has?
Think about it.

[QC]

15. Every president since Truman has treated Israel as a key U.S. ally,

an attack on which would result in massive retaliation. We can argue over whether that is the correct position or not, but it has most assuredly been our position.

Like I said, this is just more poutrage.

[anigbrowl]

17. It's how you say it as much as what you say.

Acknowledging that we would not tolerate an attack on Israel like that is fine by me. It's the talk of obliteration and so on that bugs me. As far as I am concerned, nuclear weapons are a last line of defense, not a tool of revenge or for gunboat diplomacy.

[QC]

20. You definitely have a point there.

Sometimes it's how one says something more than what one says.

I wonder if the responses have something to do with gender? It seems to me that women in politics are in a little bit of a bind--on the one hand people assume that they are not tough enough for the job, but when they do try to demonstrate some toughness they are suddenly ball-busting harridans.

I've seen this many times with female supervisors, who are accused of being monsters for having the same attitudes and behaviors that, in a male supervisor, inspire respect. "He runs a tight ship" vs. "Holy shit, what a bitch!"

[Danger Mouse]

23. If Obama had said that, I would've been just as horrified.

[anigbrowl]

16. Nuclear policy seems plenty substantive to me.

I have a problem with Hillary on this, although it's not changing my primary affiliation.

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. I saw that ad, the one time that it was on television.

Very frightening and powerful.

[JVS]

5. What would you think of a remake?

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. Not much.

It was so controversial that it was only shown the one time.

[rug]

7. That was the original fear ad.

[FightingIrish]

8. What she threatened, if not pledged, was genocide.

Remember the time in America when genocide was a bad thing.

[undeterred]

11. Remember a time when Democrats used nuclear weapons while campaigning?

I'm so tired thats how I read the question- and I thought wow, there was a time worse than this?

[Kaleva]

12. Use of nukes during a campaign is bad

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[IndianaGreen]

19. Truman is the guy that intervened on the side of the pro-Nazis in the Greek civil war

and sided with the French colonials keeping control of Indochina, thus betraying the Vietnamese nationalists and starting the Cold War.

[QC]

21. He was also the first world leader to recognize Israel. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

22. Stalin played a key role in supporting the creation of Israel

Not because Stalin was a Zionist, far from it, but because he wanted the USSR to push the British and the French out of the Middle East. Israel was a natural ally since most of the early Zionists were secular and socialist.

This "honeymoon" did not last very long.

Truman support for Israel was on the same basis as George W. Bush. It was based on the idiotic notion that the Gawd of the Bible wanted Israel to be re-established. This notion was opposed the most by the ultra-religious Jews, for they held the view that only the Messiah could bring about the restoration of Israel, not a group of secular men and women.

Interesting how things have changed since then.

[New Dawn]

18. Back when Democrats had spines?

That era is over. The New Democrats cave in to every GOP demand.