Hillary WON in Pennsylvania....Obama Lost....! That's the TRUTH!

[KoKo]

And all you who hope "old white ladies break their hip" before they vote again, or believe Hillary is "White Trash and she and Bill are Archie Bunker types" might want to think again before you keep throwing crap at the other half of Democratic Voters.

There are DEMOCRATS VOTING FOR HILLARY! CAN YOU GET IT?

DEMOCRATS...and if you keep trashing them...you are going to split this party in two! But, then...I wonder who you are...because MSNBC and CNN all day were talking about the DEATH OF THE DEMOCRATS as they SPLIT..between Barack and Hillary.

You might also want to know that there are Democrats who don't support EITHER ONE...and are agonizing over November! Good Democrats...who've worked for all their Candidates National and Local...and some are even INVOLVED AS ELECTED REPS in the DEM PARTY...who just can decide between the two.

So...all this "STUFF" against Hillary...just makes many feel very turned off.... WE ARE DEMOCRATS...WHO ARE YOU who do this Villifying against a viable Dem Candidate. GO AFTER JOHN McCAIN if you have that much anger and hate!...Why take it out on your fellow Democrats on this site...? UNLESS..........

[Yael]

1. Welcome to Math 101!!

Hillary won 10 delegates, tops. Some have her at 9.

If you want to play by RNC rules, go be a Republican.

:hi:

[jbm]

23. maybe you should do some general election math..

based on the coalition groups the different candidates have been bringing to the table. My guess is, suddenly the obamabots will begin ranting that math is meaningless!

[gabeana]

30. what a useless post someone has to call you on it

she can't catch up, get over it

[jbm]

39. thank goodness you called me on my useless post!

The world feels a little different now. What a hero!

[gabeana]

44. Thanks

I do what I have to, when someone tries to be profound but comes off like an idiot, I come to the rescue

[Ned_Devine]

50. Well said!

[jbm]

60. If you apologize after the general election..

I'll take the time to explain to you why all of the things you were so certain of in April, turned out to be total bull in November.

[Yael]

40. You do know the difference between a primary and the general? No? Elections 101:

In a primary, the delegate counts are set by the state party and in cases, the counties within. These delegates go to a national convention (read: BIG gathering of people) and they decide who the nominee will be. This year, there are roughly (but as yet not determined), 4,047 of these "delegates" that will be going to Denver, Colorado for just this task.

In the party your candidate belongs in (if she were honest), rules are different. While they also have delegates, the state is winner take all. You know, the 50.0001% strategy she is so fond of.

In the general election, there are no party rules in play. It is also a winner take all contest. We call it the "Electoral College". This is a winner take all situation where the person who wins the popular vote in a state gets a set of points. Some states get more points than others. It depends on how many people live in that state.

New York and California are the two biggest fish in this pond and are solid (D). Following them is Florida, Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania. This year's FuckedUpElection prize is likely going to PA as Ohio and Florida are still picking at scabs (and chads and disenfranchised voters). Texas would be on the short list, but they are really really big and it would take a lot of DNC/RNC money to challenge them and the parties that be in powah don't want to give up their dinner at Mortons for a protracted election challenge.

Anything else I can help you with there, sparky?

[jbm]

61. exactly! and Obama can't win the states he needs for enough electoral votes

that's why I suggested the poster do THAT math.

[TLM]

64. LOL!!! So upon what do you base this idea that Obama will lose CA and NY etc?

Look at the turnout numbers.


Why do you think if a "big" state goes for Hillary by 3 or 4 or 5 percents... that somehow that state is not going to go dem in the GE regardless of which candidate is running?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

80. It's like talking to a one year-old.

Why do you think if a "big" state goes for Hillary by 3 or 4 or 5 percents... that somehow that state is not going to go dem in the GE regardless of which candidate is running?

Conversely, Illinois, et. al., will vote for Hillary. :shrug:

[thevoiceofreason]

2. Congrats General Pyrrhus

[Ned_Devine]

3. Nah

She has run a sickening campaign. Everything she has done is what I hate about politics and does not make me proud to be a registered democrat

[texastoast]

5. Watch my fingers

F-I-G-H-T J-O-H-N M-c-C-A-I-N.

If you are really a Democrat.

[Ned_Devine]

15. Tell Hillary

[texastoast]

24. No kidding

But then, that would be thinking that Hillary could remember that she is a Democrat.

[Ned_Devine]

48. That's...

...been my beef with her. Instead of McCain having to fight off a two pronged attack from Hillary and Obama, it's more like Obama fighting off a double headed attack from Hillary and McCain

[texastoast]

52. I sent him money today

because he's the only one acting like a Dem and because now I really think he is our only hope. I'm SO DISAPPOINTED in Hillary.

[Zhade]

22. Maybe clinton should have remembered that, instead of endorsing him over Obama.

NT!

[texastoast]

26. Yep. She lost me over that one

But I have to remember that I'm a Dem and that I can't lay off voting or vote for McLame.

[texastoast]

4. Bingo!

We should be going after John McCain. Duh, to both sides who do not.

[JimGinPA]

6. Gen. Custer Won Some Battles Too...

But that's not why he's famous.


:rofl:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

73. LOL!

[krawhitham]

7. Maybe she should act like a Dem instead of a damn Rethug

And that is all it would be is an act

[mmonk]

8. Yes she did. But she probably needed a bigger margin of victory

according to my math, in order to claim the landscape has changed. But congratulations on the victory.

[Straight Shooter]

38. KoKo01 favors neither candidate, is neutral.

KoKo01 has posted on this board and mentioned her/his neutrality many times. Try to keep up.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. IOW, KoKo01 is just stirring the shit to keep the Democrats

agitated.

There ain't no such thing as neutral.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. contrary to what Koko says, she is anything but neutral. I used to have

a lot of respect for said poster, but she showed her hand a long time ago. I don't understand this alleged "neutrality". Why not just come out and say she supports Hillary? I think we're all aware that there are many Hillary supporters here, but why the subterfuge?

[KoKo]

56. No...I don't support Clintons...for much same reasons poster "blm" doesn't.

about Iran-Contra Investigations...and NAFTA, Media Deregulation, the demise of Glass/Steagall Banking Act from 1930's and some other programs. There are some positives with the Clintons...National Debt Reduction, COBRA (allowing unemployed to keep health insurance for awhile between losing and finding a job...a few other things) but in general ...I would not look forward to them back in the WH. But, I don't support Obama, either. Too inexperienced for me. I'm without a candidate...I was Gore/Kucinich.

But, I vote on May 6th...and I will have to make up my mind.....I'm agonizing over it...but sick of seeing Hillary trashed and seeing so much hustling and outright meaness by enthusiastic/agressive Obama supporters here on this board.

That's the truth of it. I've said it in many posts...

[Straight Shooter]

57. I respectfully disagree. KoKo01 has expressed reservations about both candidates. n/t

[DrBlix]

91. I agree with po this is the DEM primary NOT the GE

We DEMOCRATS have 2 candidates. Is this DU or has it morphed into RU.
.
If you must trash at least let it be our opponents, as in if you can't say something nice about DEMOCRATS don't say anything.
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Want to get mad get mad at McWAR plenty of material there.
.
We all know there are trolls.no I'm not one of them have been here for years just don't post much) but early on we must have been infiltrated by trolls putting words in our mouth........divide and conquer works every time.
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The poster said what had to be said. I will vote for whom ever wins the dem. nomination but you have to take pause and discontinue giving our opponents ammunition against our own.

[mmonk]

70. Pardon me.

That's fine. My premise still stands.

[guyanakoolaid]

9. Obama WON in pledged delegates....Clinton Lost....! That's the TRUTH!

:eyes:

[C_U_L8R]

10. Obama made Hillary defend her OWN turf

and in the process, she broke her own bank.
Genius. She can't ante up for the next round.
The game is almost over.

[SoonerPride]

11. Getting pretty EXCITED and feel like SHOUTING do you?

OK

[Johnny__Motown]

12. Hillary lost 13 in a row after super tuesday. That is also the truth... and she can't catch up .ever

[PseudoIntellect]

13. Yeah, she won PA.

by about 10 delegates. Now just have PA vote 13 more times and she'll tie Obama!

[rug]

14. But he got more delegates in Idaho!

:silly:

[PseudoIntellect]

17. But delegates don't matter, that whole 2025 thing is a myth.

:silly:

[rug]

27. 1,230,000 Democrats is a myth too.

[grytpype]

16. She didn't win by 30%, so she's finished.

She needs to win every race by over 30% just to catch up to Obama.

She can't win and she's deluding her supporters and taking their money for nothing.

And this is not going to be forgotten, I assure you. Her name is going to be sh*t, and that goes for Bill too.

[still_one]

18. I dispise the clintons, but will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is

[rodeodance]

19. Most BHO do not care--they have become one with the RW smear machine.

[Zhade]

25. Says the guy who never misses a chance to point out Obama's middle name.

Please. You give professional smear artists pause.

[mkultra]

47. couldnt tell, hes ignore for me

[Alcibiades]

28. Who is BHO

And why are they plural?

Damn them, most BHO, for becoming one with the RW smear machine!

All they need to to is to have a love-in with Scaife, and the transformation will be complete.

[Zhade]

20. Sorry, clinton's a liar and the world's seen the proof. I don't give liars a pass.

NT!

[jbm]

21. self-delete

posted in the wrong spot.

[nichomachus]

29. Three more "wins" like this and she'll be finished n/t

[mkultra]

31. it is the truth, just like Obama will win the nom.

[cascadiance]

32. So, has she reduced the percentage of remaining delegates she needs to win? NO!!!!!

She has to get a HIGHER percentage of the remaining undecided pledged delegates to win after the Pennsylvania primary.

It's like saying a team has "won" when they start off the fourth quarter 30 points down and shave it to 25 points after playing half way through the quarter. They have less of a chance winning even if they "win" 5 more points!

[zulchzulu]

33. Losing 30 states, some by 20+%, is more truth than you can handle...

Hillary was ahead by 25% in polls in PA and won by.... 9.2% She is now BROKE and got 8 more delegates than Obama.

You win!

:crazy:

[FrenchieCat]

34. Come on.........

Just in case you didn't hear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwd88C25J-0&feature=user

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. Yeah!!!

Exactly!!

[Thepricebreaker]

36. and? n/t

[RememberWellstone]

37. Say IT! Preach it!

Me too! I am tired of being brow beaten over MY personal choice.

[RiverStone]

42. It does not matter

Do you realize that even if Hillary pulls off a 50/50 split of votes in NC and Indiana - she would then need to get 85% of the remaining delegates just to break even with Obama?

The math is impossible for her.

What will it take to see that - sorry, but that is the reality.

[tabasco]

43. PA is one state out of fifty. That's the TRUTH!

The Clinton campaign is the one who launched the filthy "kitchen sink" campaign but I must have missed your rant condemning all of that trashing of good Democrats.

[Auntie Bush]

45. You can say that again!

Good luck! I had been saying that for months...but finally gave up and joined in the battle trying to defend Hillary. that became a 24/7 job and makes one very angry listening to the crap being thrown her way.

I hope you can reach some minds. I keep trying to reform but the nasty comments keep coming in and need a rebuttal.

[bvar22]

46. Who are we?

We are the Democrats supporting the Democratic nominee.

Who are you?

[Crunchy Frog]

51. 111!!!!!!11!

[Leftist Agitator]

53. Hey, I've got a better one!

Hillary still isn't going to win!

You Clintonistas can encourage "Madame Inevitable (nee) Favorite" to keep running on hubris and divisiveness all you want, and it won't change the fact that Obama is almost assuredly the Democratic nominee!

Oh, and for future reference, words that resonate and make sense are a hell of a lot more powerful than throwing caps-lock on here and there.

Oy, you Hillarites... You are an entertaining bunch, I'll give you that.

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Your angst is duly noted, and decidedly one-sided.

Since I'm hearing that you are allegedly "neutral", I have to ask where the hell have you been? You've seen downright racist rightwing attacks on the presumptive nominee on this board, but I can't recall a screed rejecting those attacks, from you.

No matter the spin, Hillary stopped being a Democrat when she endorsed John McCain over her Democratic rival. So she won a state that she's been predicted to win from the outset, big whoop. Like it or not, this was a dismal failure for Hillary, no matter how you slice it.

[wileedog]

55. Congratulations Hillary for your win in PA

We're looking forward to your endorsement in the GE.

[Beacool]

58. The Obama camp can spin the math all they want,

but Hillary has millions of supporters and we are not going to abandon her for a candidate who we see lacking and inexperienced.

I was in PA and we got volunteers who traveled from all over the country to help the campaign. These people donated their time and paid for their expenses. THAT's how much support she generates and trashing her and her supporters is not going to change that fact.

[Rob Gregory Browne]

76. So let me get this straight.

Are you saying you won't support the nominee? That's clearly Obama. But what I'm getting here is that you won't support him. Hmmmm.

Oh, and by the way, Obama's people aren't spinning the math. The math is the math.

It's Hillary's camp that's doing all the spin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AglTZkv2Xb0

[Beacool]

77. Some people will support Obama,

but plenty others will end up voting for McCain. Plus those who will either write-in her name or stay home.

I had conversations these past few weeks with several people in the party, including two US Reps. and one senator, the consensus was that they didn't think that Obama is electable. So, not all party leaders are thrilled by his potential nomination.

At this point, I honestly don't think that we can win against McCain unless bother of our candidates are on the ticket. It's not a thought that will make many of us happy, but it may be a reality that we may have to face in the near future.

[Rob Gregory Browne]

89. I would have agreed with you a couple of months ago, but

I think Hillary has now done irreparable damage to herself and would be a drain on the ticket. Sorry. Obama/Edwards, however, would be very strong indeed.

[PVnRT]

85. Obama has the same support. What's your point?

Thank you, though, for reminding us of how many Clinton supporters will abandon the party if their chosen candidate doesn't win the nomination. I mean, nothing "cultish" about that, right?

[Beacool]

90. Nope, just the reality that for many of us Obama is not ready to be president.

Sorry.......

[AtomicKitten]

59. This was her last opportunity to pass him up. It's over for her.

She may have won the Pennsylvania battle, but she has already lost the war.

It is mathematically impossible for her to surpass him no matter where she plants those goal posts. So, her case now is wishing and praying for a superdelegate coup d'etat.

You do the math on that and get back to us about who is doing what to the party.

[Unbowed]

62. And it doesn't amount to a Hill of beans. She's too far behind for a tiny delegate gain from PA

to save her.

She can drop balloons till the cows come home and it isn't going to change the fact that she's behind and the small gain in PA isn't going to help her much.

[Eurobabe]

63. But Hillary is running like a Republican, so

she deserves some bile, right now she is no better than LIEberman.

[kwenu]

65. Hillary won Pennsylvania but can't win the nomination. So enjoy the small victory.

[Cheap_Trick]

66. the TRUTH is

she won the battle but has already lost the war. Period. Enjoy your "victory", if that's what it takes to help you sleep at night.

[MrSlayer]

67. Yep, she won by 9 delegates.

And you are mildly amusing.

[JoFerret]

68. Thank-you

All the abuse being hurled at democratic voters is disgraceful.
Obama says it politely and that is bad enough.

[Jawja]

69. Yes! Of course she won Pennsylvania!

No one is disputing her victory! :bounce:

But it doesn't CHANGE anything in her quest for the nomination other than giving her ammunition for her spin on why the Super Delegates in the Party should give the nomination to her even though Pennsylvania didn't change the MATH. And Clintonians are spouting the talking points 24/7.

What's your POINT? :eyes:

[purji]

71. its like you are reading my mind.n/t

[SOS]

72. This Party was split in half many decades ago.

We haven't hit 50% in any national election since 1976, before that was 1964.

1968 lost
1972 lost
1980 lost
1984 lost
1988 lost
2000 lost*
2004 lost

and in 1992 and 1996 Clinton got under 50%. (43% and 49% respectively)

But go ahead and blame Obama if it makes you feel better.

[DrBlix]

93. Denocrats are in this to win right~Posting in here these days is like stepping into a mine feild

The negatives tossed at Obama or Hullary could come back to haunt us all. We're giving our opposition weapons to use against us.
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Reading most of your posts isn't pretty you're all like some republican linching gang.
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Who are you getting you talking points from KKKarl Eove himself?
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Please don't take offense I'm a democrat through and through but you have slammed the door on any choices we might have.......why have a general election at all the republicans are laughing themself silly.
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They've done what they've set out to do turn us against each other.
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I keep reading Obama won this and Obama won that, no I'm not critcizing Obama, he's my candidate if he gets the nomination nor am I criticizing you all but you really have to look at how some of these votes came about.
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In many stated during the primaries if you're rep. you can cross over and vote for a dem.
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Stay with me. In some states where Obama wasn't expected to win he did. Come the general election these same repsl will cross back over to the rep side and vote for 100 years war old man McCain.
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~sigh~ this was their plan all along and you all haven't been paying attention.
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In any case I'm not here to stamp on Obama or Hillary or all of you but I do hope you won't continue the trashing of a fellow democrat that means Hillary and any other dem that disagres with you.
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Go at it hit McCain as I said plenty of material there.
.
After all is said and done and If OB gets the nom. I will be one of his strongest supporters and hope just hope I was wrong about what I think is their the Rep. master plan is. Deflating Hillary nominating a black man that they think they can beat.

[SeaLyons]

74. Thanks

Most BO supporters could care less on this site, but your words are so true, and I appreciate your post.

Well done.

:toast:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

75. Anyone who supports her at this point deserves every name they are called

From last weeks debate:

SENATOR CLINTON: "Well, I think, in addition to the questions about Reverend Wright and what he said and when he said it, and for whatever reason he might have said these things, there were so many different variations on the explanations that we heard. And it is something that I think deserves further exploration, because clearly what we've got to figure out is how we're going to bring people together in a way that overcomes the anger, overcomes the divisiveness and whatever bitterness there may be out there.

It is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn't only the specific remarks, but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas to put a message in. You know, these are problems, and they raise questions in people's minds.

And so this is a legitimate area, as everything is when we run for office, for people to be exploring and trying to find answers."

Could she have fit more racist dog whistles in one statement? All it was missing was a reference to gangsta rap and welfare queens.

[SeaLyons]

83. Nothing in her statements

are untrue. Like it or not, that issue is goint to lose us the WH in Nov if he's the nominee. Her statements were NOT racist.

PLONK.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

88. Says the supporter of a candidate who is now hated by MORE than half the country.

PLONK, yourself.

[RBInMaine]

78. "If you win what you are supposed to win that's not much of a win." James Carville - HillFAN

[gal]

79. She won PA ...so what?

Obama has won alot of states to. The race goes on.
Who said people weren't voting for her? Overall he has more ..that's all.

People have the right to dislike a candidate no matter which party their for. That is what America is about.

[GOTV]

81. Captain Obvious has Spoken! Thanks for doing all that complicated math for us!

I kept staring at the results dumbfounded! Why didn't the media make it as clear as you did?

[RBInMaine]

82. And Obama WON Texas, and that is the truth ! (Because he WON the caucus AND more delgates !!)

[PVnRT]

84. Right. Clinton supporters do no villifying at all.

There are DEMOCRATS VOTING FOR OBAMA! CAN YOU GET IT?

Oh, wait, those are just the "elistist latte liberals," and "white guilt" whites, and blacks, and "nutroot" activists. Never mind, we don't count, I suppose.

Why is Hillary intent on attacking another Democrat? Or is that OK with you?

[book_worm]

86. And Obama won...Hillary lost...(drum roll please)

Iowa
South Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
DC
Connecticut
Delaware
Maine
Vermont
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Kansas
Nebraska
North Dakota
Wyoming
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
Louisiana
Idaho
Colorado
Utah
Alaska
Hawaii
Washington State
Democrats Abroad
Missouri
US Virgin Islands

He has won twice as many contests as Hillary.

[Buzz Clik]

87. Jesu Cristo. You behind on your meds?

[Gore1FL]

92. Yes, she won PA

And her showing will still cause a loss in the Nomination

Santa Anna won the Alamo, and his victory there cost him Texas.

Lee won Chancellorsville, and his victory set up the defeat in Gettysburg.

Actually, now that I think on it, the civil war is a good analogy here. It was over in two days during the summer of 1863. Meade defeated Lee at Gettysburg on July 3, and Grant took Vicksburg on July 4. Yet despite two irreversible defeats that spelled the ultimate defeat of the rebellion, the Confederacy wasted lives and resources to simply prolong it for another 2 years.

of course, had they won, Hillary wouldn't be so far behind in delegates now either...