Do NOT get sucked in to supporting Hillary for vice president

[mudesi]

I truly hope Obama doesn't make the mistake of allowing Hillary Clinton to take the vice presidential spot in November. I would've said the exact opposite 2 months ago had Hillary done the right thing for the party and the country and graciously dropped out.

But at this point, even if her being the vice presidential candidate wouldn't make a difference in the general election outcome (And we all know it never does), she has proved herself to be unworthy of it.

She doesn't deserve the "D" next to her name and she doesn't deserve to be in the White House. She doesn't deserve to be in the Senate, either.

When this is all over, I honestly never want to see her again. I want a liberal to replace her seat in the Senate. I want her out of politics and off my television screen. To say I'm disappointed in her would be the understatement of the millennium. I loathe her.

She has run the most despicable campaign I have ever seen from a "Democrat", ever. Only George W. Bush's primary campaign back in the day was possibly more disgusting than hers. In the span of a few days she has admitted to being against the Democratic base (you might recognize them as 99% of the posters here) and has been talking like a Republican regarding nuking Iran.

Even Michael Moore agrees, which only confirms the credibility of my disdain for this woman. I was wondering when he would finally come out against her and was pleased to finally see it.

No vice president spot for Hillary. Obama can do much better.

[mkultra]

1. that would be like tying a cinderblock to a swimmer.

[Radio_Lady]

36. ... and if it were the other way around, and it was HRC, would you call it a BLACK cinderblock?

[mkultra]

49. hmm, interesting, if we are going to make the metaphor racist/sexist

i would like to change my cinderblock to a giant iron.


Thanks

[Radio_Lady]

51. I was raised in the segregated South. Mentioning anything black could bring you grief, my friend.

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[mkultra]

57. well ok, your completly out of touch with whats being said here

but, whatever you think is fine by me. cinder blocks are light grey in color btw. maybe thats your problem.

[Radio_Lady]

63. Just "out of touch" ? Heck, you could do better than that.

:rofl:

GRAY cinderblocks = mixture of white and black = describes Obama exactly!

"I am a Democrat and I will fully support the Democratic nominee -- whoever he or she may be."

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Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[mkultra]

65. i think your to focused on race. A cinder block is heavy

and woudl drag the swimmer down. the cinderblock is also hillary in this case, not obama. If your asking me to come up with a good counter metaphor for Obama, i would say.....cinderblock.

[BlooInBloo]

68. This might be the strangest subthread I've ever seen.

[Radio_Lady]

70. How so? Please explain yourself.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[BlooInBloo]

72. Just to make sure I'm understanding: are you saying that "cinderblock" is a racist term?

I just want to make sure I properly understand before I react.

[Radio_Lady]

74. Have you ever lived in the South? Yes, that was a perjorative term used against Negroes

and even white politicians in the days before segregation was abolished.

It was also used against the Jews (my father was a councilman, vice-mayor, and judge in Florida) in the days when not being Jewish was preferred.

The term could means both "too heavy" and "too black" and "a drag on the ticket" to some other white -- and usually Christian politicians. Perhaps in Florida it might be a cement block that I recall, but the meaning is the same.

Here's a example: There was a debate scheduled on our highest holiday, Yom Kippur, when my father ran for office. He chose not to take part. He was almost drawn and quartered for that "misstep." I think I still have a "cartoon" of him being drowned in Biscayne Bay with a big, dark cement block around his ankle. It is still shocking to think about it.

[BlooInBloo]

78. Only Vicksburg. As to your story, I guess I'll have to take your word for it. New to me...

... But then again, many things are.

[Radio_Lady]

80. Hi BlooInBloo. What I tell you is the truth, at least, as I remember it.

I have no reason to embroider it in any way.

My father, Leonard L. Kimball, was a lawyer in the Miami area in the 1940s - 1970s. He even wrote a one-act play called "The Candidate" based on his experiences as a Jewish man running for and then holding office in an almost totally Christian community.

"The Candidate" was once performed during an evening of theater at the University of Miami, my Alma Mater. Regrettably, I was living elsewhere and never got to see it performed.

Thanks for your comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

PS. I've never been to Vicksburg, but we have been to Williamsburg, VA.

[mkultra]

101. frankly, im having a hard time believing you.

I currently live in the south and i, in no way, live in a bubble. The only thing preventing me from responding to your assertion with acrimony is the tender tone of your responses. I'm afraid i will need to hear more on this topic before i ban the word cinder block from my vocabulary.

So just to clarify, your saying the the term cinderblock is a derogatory term used to describe black folks?


until then, heres this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_masonry_unit

[Mimosa]

88. Cinderblock: NOT used as racist term in the South

Um, I've lived and traveled through the Deep South for all my 50+ years. I have never ever heard cinderblock or cement block used in any racial reference. ~rolls eyes~

Meaningless thread hijacking, IMO.


Obama would have to have deathwish to let Hillary become VP, after all she and her husband have said and done to tear him down. Besides, Bill Clinton just couldn't stand not being the Alpha Dawg. Didn't anybody watch him after Hillary's victory speech in PA? HE was sucking up all the oxygen in the hall, as usual.

[Pacifist Patriot]

105. Born, raised and live in the south. This is utterly absurd.

A "person is a cinderblock" metaphor has always referred to any person who is bringing you down. I have never in my entire life heard it referred to in terms of race, ethnicity, religion, gender.... And I've got the redneck relatives that would have enabled me to have heard it all. This one's most definitely a stretch to interpret as overtly racist. And definitely not in the context of the OP. For Pete's sake! There is more than enough real racist crap as it is.

[southerncrone]

116. I've lived in the South ALL of my 50+ years & have NEVER heard of

a cinderblock used to describe Blacks. The only ways I've heard it used are, as others have state:
1) to drag someone, or something down
2) thick as a brick, meaning they are stupid

I think FL is a unique part of the South & isn't representative of what most people think when they think of "Southern ways or politics". It's demographics don't fit the rest of the South; it's almost its own separate section on the country.

[Radio_Lady]

69. Yes, a cinder block is heavy and gray or black. It would weigh a person down, like a cement block.

That's exactly what I mean.

It's the metaphor of either of them "weighing down" the other one that I find exasperating.

Please read my morning thread, and it might explain where we are coming from.

We donated to both of them yesterday.

We will vote Democratic come what may.

We believe that an O-C or a C-O ticket would unify the party and hopefully win the White House. We see two supremely eminent politicians, either of whom might be excellent for this country and CERTAINLY BETTER THAN MCCAIN.

There are many others who believe differently.

You have a right to your opinion, but all I see is squabbling and scratching and infighting.

It isn't a pretty sight to anyone in this party.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[WillyToad]

100. 1/3 of Democrats say they will not vote for Obama

Largely because his allies in the press and elsewhere are so vile towards the Clintons and their supporters. He will have to do something when he is nominated to bring them on.

[mkultra]

102. cinderblocks are never black

[Radio_Lady]

122. Whatever you say... South Floridians are largely from the north.

They are from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania (my parents were from Pittsburgh), Michigan (my daughter's inlaws) etc. However, those states had huge blocks of voters who chose Hillary as #1 (even if they didn't count, as in Michigan.)

So, cinder blocks are gray. Wikipedia never mentions them as negative terms for "Negroes"/blacks.

I'll be away nursing a fever. Maybe our mailbox will finally contain our PRIMARY BALLOT and, after I vote, well, nobody has to vote anymore. Maybe I'll be calling for this to be resolved even before the rest of the primaries have even taken place and the votes are counted................................. Not!

Go ahead. Talk about the situation among yourselves. I'm going to visit several new websites recommended for the 12th Annual Webby Awards. Find all about this event and the nominees at this link. You can also vote on-line at: http://pv.webbyawards.com

www.ColourLovers.com

www.BookGlutton.com

www.StumbleUpon.com

Good day and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[demwing]

84. Okay, I'm withdrawing my comments in your thread

I think you are acting stangely. Disturbingly strange.

[gal]

98. Totally uncalled for.

Nothing he said metioned her sex or was sexist in anyway. People like you disgust me.

[WA98296]

2. Totally agree.

[Radio_Lady]

39. I've heard you twice today, WA98296. Thank you.

Are you still planning to vote for Nader?

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[NoBushSpokenHere]

3. Obama can do MUCH MUCH BETTER .... we may just find out his

intelligence level after all... which I believe is very high on the scale.

[Radio_Lady]

43. Do we have comparative IQs of either (or both) candidates posted anywhere?

If so, please cite your source. I'd like to know.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

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[BenDavid]

4. I doubt HRC would be campaigning in this state that much. Maybe

obama might think it worthy but hell, obama better IF he is the nominee concentrate on Penn. Cause if on election time Fox News projects McCain the winner of Penn. then you obama folks can go on to bed.

[Radio_Lady]

47. You mean in Pennsylvania for the General Election? She would not campaign?

I'm not following you exactly, BenDavid.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon



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[NanceGreggs]

5. Judging by his actions to date ...

... I'm confident he is much too intelligent to reach for an anchor, when he can have his pick of kites.

[SunsetDreams]

6. I don't think he want's to grab hold of the anchor of

the Titanic

[EFerrari]

7. I hope you're right. It would be tempting -- if it meant ending this

and being inducted into The Club.

Let's see what he's made of.

[NanceGreggs]

15. He knows it will end, sooner or later ...

... and in his favour. There is no need to sacrifice having a strong, complementary VP in order to assuage the inevitable loser.

Besides, he's savvy enough to know that at this point, adding Hillary to his ticket would actually lose him votes that he's already won.

[Radio_Lady]

50. Well, there I have to disagree a bit. It might bring Obama the people in the party who wanted

Hillary on the ticket in the first place.

Why would you make that prediction?

Inevitably, choosing either candidate for President will bring defectors. That cannot be helped. But to say it would "lose him votes he's already won." What does that mean exactly? Are you saying that the whole group of Obama voters would capitulate if Clinton is chosen for the ticket? That doesn't make any sense.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

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[NanceGreggs]

55. I'm saying that due to Hill's behaviour of late ...

... many who are now Obama supporters would see her addition to the ticket as his "selling out" to the corporate establishment she is associated with - that is especially true of young voters who are new to the process, who view Obama as a "change" from the Clinton-type politics of yesterday.

Yes, he might gain some Hill supporters who would have refused to vote for him, were she not part of the package.

At best, it would be a wash.

But the point is: Why should he take the chance of losing anyone? He has no reason for doing so, especially when the pickin's among a vast number of qualified Democrats - who, as VP, would be an incredible asset to his ticket - are plentiful indeed.

[Radio_Lady]

62. Please see the rest of the story from our point of view...

The evidence in Pennsylvania is that Hillary Clinton commands segments of the population that are not willing to vote for Barack Obama.

Check the statistics on where Hillary Clinton got her votes from in Pennsylvania. The Catholics supported her big time. The blue collar voters voted for her big time. Older white men and old white women voted for her, too.

In order for him to even come close to winning Pennsylvania, he had to win the black vote in Philadelphia by a much bigger margin than he did -- because she won everywhere else.

Obama cannot just assume that he will get all these voters just because Hillary is not in the race. The prediction is that many -- if not most of these voters -- will turn to John McCain. So, if she is on the ticket with him, he might just get those votes! The truth is -- Obama probably NEEDS her if he is the nominee, and she may not be willing to settle for second place. She has a place in the Senate, non-trivial responsibilities, and she may not want to give that up if she can't get the top spot. She would probably only do it for the good of the party.

As always, thanks for your comments.

Cordially,

Radio Lady (and Audio Al who crafted most of the stated opinions above, but is busy making travel arrangements tonight.)

[NanceGreggs]

67. To say that ...

... "The truth is -- Obama probably NEEDS her if he is the nominee," has absolutely no basis in fact.

And to say, (Hillary) has a place in the Senate ... and she may not want to give that up if she can't get the top spot. She would probably only do it for the good of the party," is, in the present circumstances, downright laughable.

Yes, we have all seen how Hillary is willing "to act for the good of the party", haven't we?

[Cha]

10. Thank you! Excellent analogy,

NanceGreggs.

[Radio_Lady]

52. Sorry to say this, Nance, but you are so negative on Hillary Clinton that it's interfering with your

reasoning.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[NanceGreggs]

60. My reasoning is sound.

Hillary's behaviour during this process - "kitchen sink" campaigning, moving the goalposts, flip-flopping, running a fiscally-irresponsible campaign (the list is endless, but it always ends with the BIG BOSNIA LIE and her "trustworthy" numbers the lowest among the candidates, including McCain) - makes her an anchor.

That's just the facts.

[Radio_Lady]

66. Figured you'd bring out the "big guns" -- the truth as you see it. No worries.

Good night and have a good day tomorrow.

[NanceGreggs]

71. The truth as I see it ...

... and as all America saw it, is that the "big guns" Hillary bragged about having to duck in Bosnia never existed.

I know the HRC camp don't want to acknowledge how badly that lie damaged her. But the fact is that it was, more than any other single thing, the fatal blow to her credibility.

[susanwy]

89. "all America"

Please stop implying the "ALL AMERICA" agrees with you. The primary is split almost 50/50, so lets say almost half the primary voters don't agree with you and that is only a fraction of the total voters. I would venture to say that republican voters don't agree with you (well maybe on the hate hillary not mater what part, but their not voting for Obama either). So, lets do the math (Obama supporter are always so fond math):

60% voter turnout in 2004
+ 10% because of all the new, young excited voters in 2008, we are such an apathetic lot in this country :puke: ==

66% voter turn out estimate 2008 (and that would be historic)
-20% die hard republicans (who, again, may agree with your hate Hillary speech but aren't voting for Obama)
-10% independents who will vote republican (you can't have all of them) ==

36% potential democratic voters (we can only hope)
-15% Hillary supporters ==

21% of the total voters (notice I gave you ALL the new voters, even though I think that is not accurate, some new voters support Hillary over McLame)

100% population
-21% remaining democratic voters (of which I'd say 16-17% are die hard Obama fans) ==

79% of the American population WHO DOESN'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH YOU or who may agree with you but won't vote for Obama anyway.

---------------
Now that the math lesson is over....

I think an Obama/Hillary or Hillary/Obama ticket would be our only hope in November. Because the ticket would have the best chance of keeping all 36% of the potential democratic voters. Assuming everyone around here grows up and realizes this is politics and it is how the game is played. Always has been, always will be. Hillary will do all she can to win over voters, including super delegates because that's what politicians do, if they believe there is chance they could win. I agree, she probably doesn't have a chance at this point, but SHE still believes she does and isn't giving up just yet. Nothing wrong with a little tenacity in our politicians. At least we don't blow up our political opponents in this country or shoot them during campaign stops. PLEASE just let the process play out, for all the people who don't necessarily agree with you and then be gracious once the ticket is decided upon.

[NanceGreggs]

104. Sorry you wasted your time on that long post ...

... when I never said that all of America agrees with me. I said that all of America heard Hill's sniper-fire story, and saw the footage of what actually happened = she lied.

[susanwy]

113. Yea, I caught that today

I was quite tired last night and should have gone to bed. However, I see the attitude that all America wants what Obama is selling on this board all the time, and that was my point.

But, I for one don't really care that she lied. All politicians lie, it is the nature of the beast. Hillary lied about her personal safety, embellished the story to make herself look brave. Politicians embellish shit all the time. Bill lied to cover up his infidelities. Bush & company lied to get us into war. Obama lies about the Exelon nuclear legislation he authored in the Illinois house and about his handwriting on a gun-ban questionnaire. They all do it, change the facts to fit their constituencies wishes. What I try to sort out is the context of the lie. Does it hurt me personally that she lied about Bosnia, nope, could care less. But, Bushes lie hurt, and Obama's lie hurt his constituents in Illinois, and his lie on the gun-ban questionnaire tells me he lied because he is tailoring his message, and thus mis-representing how he really feels on the issue. Don't get me wrong, Hillary does it too, because they ALL lie.

So, again, and more specifically, I contend that all America didn't hear or pay attention to Hillary's lie. At least 50% of the population isn't even paying attention to the primary season or blew it off as another lie told by a politician.

[NanceGreggs]

118. Although I disagree with some of what you've said ...

... but not all of it, I still wanted to thank you for an intelligent and non-combative response.

Looking forward to seeing you on the other side of this - when we'll BOTH be routing for the home team, no matter who's at its helm!

:hi:

[susanwy]

119. No problem...

I try to be reasonable on this board, but last night I was frustrated (over a work issue, not politics) and was feeling snarky. I will support the democratic candidate in November, no matter who it ends up being. And, for the record, I'm a former Biden supporter who just can't warm up to either of the remaining choices, although, lately I find myself more sympathetic to Hillary. However, I readily concede that she has no chance to win the nomination. Personally, I think they are both extremely flawed and McLame will win in November and I'll have to cover my ears and eyes and sing "lalalalalala" for four years.

[NanceGreggs]

121. Not to worry ...

.... McCain was toast before he even entered the race.

[Crunchy Frog]

8. Promise her a cabinet position

but for God's sake please don't put her on the ticket.

[mudesi]

11. NO cabinet position

Nothing. I want her to get nothing.

[woolldog]

13. How about Ambassador....

to a far far far away country?

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Ambassador to Outer Mongolia.

[woolldog]

24. or maybe Iraq?

[Catherina]

28. Even that's too close. Outer Space maybe

and only if there aren't any weapons on board.

[goclark]

27. Bosnia? Is that far enough?

:crazy:

[Catherina]

30. Too much sniper fire there. Besides, they've suffered enough. n/t

[anigbrowl]

82. Yah, they'd be insulted and greet her with sniper fire. I say Kazakhstan. High five!

Although I only expect about 1 in 10 people to get the resulting joke.

[dansolo]

14. And no Senate Majority Leader either

I don't want her in a position to derail Obama's legislative agenda.

[woolldog]

40. Good point.

[Harry Monroe]

19. I completely agree

I wouldn't offer her dogshit in a paper bag!!

[AJH032]

56. you're not the nominee

therefore, what you want, does not really matter.

[mudesi]

108. In a democracy....

In a democracy, what I want is all that matters.

[AJH032]

111. collectively

not you personally, unless you're speaking of heading your own monarchy.

[Cha]

9. Thankfully there are a lot more Obama Supporters

on here who get it.

[Mme. Defarge]

12. The absolute last thing Obama needs

is a Cheney wannabe for VP.

No. HELL NO!

[dmr]

117. You got that right

No Cheney wannabe - the guy who claims he's the 4th gov't branch.

With all the changes the Bush* mobsters have manipulated in the WH, the last thing Obama needs is an uncontrollable Hillary and Bill team capitalizing on that.

With or without Bill, Hillary will not sit idly like past vice-presidents. Hillary lays claim to Bill's connections. We don't need, inside the WH, the DLC working against Obama if they don't like something. I don't trust a Clinton any further than I can throw city hall.

Obama will have his hands full. He doesn't need an ambitious Clinton doing her own thing or a Clinton crisis to distract him and his staff.

[Poll_Blind]

16. NO TO VP! Yes to Sec. of Agriculture. I mean, who can throw shit around better than her? n/t

PB

[countmyvote4real]

29. Very persuasive argument. lol

I want the Clintons to leave politics and just go away, but you make a very good case for that position.

[Catherina]

33. !

:rofl:

[here_is_to_hope]

83. LMAO!!! n/t

[Liberal Gramma]

17. And...

he'd have to stay out of Dallas.

[southerncrone]

26. and Little Rock

[southerncrone]

41. If Obama picks her, we'll know we've been had.

I want to believe he is smarter than that. He has a plethora of excellent candidates for VP at his disposal. She is NOT one of them.

I also want to believe his is NOT part of the "machine" thats run this country for the last few decades.

If he picks her, the fix is definitely in.

[FightingIrish]

20. Hillary is to a shit storm

what a lightning rod is to lightning storm. She'd be a horrible choice. She has managed to divide an ascendant, reinvigorated party in less time than it took Bush to divide a nation that was predisposed to division. She has turned my ambivalence to revulsion in a matter of weeks. She would drag down a candidate of change with her proven penchant for tired old politics.

[gal]

99. +10

[Usrename]

21. Agreed.

He needs someone he can trust with his life. If she were to succeed him, she wouldn't be able to govern.

Not under these circumstances.

Other than that, she'd make a fine Darth Cheney!

[BenDavid]

22. you won't have to worry. HRC will be the president. so do not trouble

your little head.....

[ccharles000]

23. I hope if he is the nominee that she is VP.

[goclark]

35. No way ~ that would be more dangerous than an assignment in

Iraq.

[ccharles000]

48. I really don't think it is nice to compare her to an...

assignment in Iraq.

[Radio_Lady]

53. My husband's response to this picture, "They cleaned up pretty well."

:rofl:

[ccharles000]

86. I think she looks lovely in the picture.

[Catherina]

44. It's not just about hope. It's about hope and CHANGE.

She's poison to him and nothing would polarize all the decent Republicans, Independents, Greens and Progressives against the Democratic Party on Nov 7 than Hillary Clinton.

And then there's the problem about VPs becoming President if something unexpected should happen to the President.

[Catherina]

25. No worries Lynyrd. no worries. Hillary sealed her fate over and over again n/t

[AtomicKitten]

31. Perish the thought: I don't want her anywhere near the ticket.

:scared:

[Nia Zuri]

32. With her as VP, he'd need a permanent food taster

[Triana]

34. I agree. Obama can do MUCH better (n/t)

[cliffordu]

37. Not in this lifetime. Keep her out of the Defense Department, too.

[Tribetime]

38. I won't be surprised if it's a woman, but not her

[donheld]

42. After all the vicious crap she's said about Barack?

He'd be crazy.

[walldude]

45. Not a matter of getting sucked into it

it's a matter of what we get. It's Obama's choice.

[TexanDem]

46. As somebody said -- if he does, he might need a food taster!

If they force him to put Hillary on the ticket, I'm not sure that I could vote for them.

Can you imagine how Hill & Bill would override everything he wanted to do! It would be a HUGE HUGE MISTAKE!

[AJH032]

54. Don't worry, I won't. I support her for President.

:thumbsup:

[Why Syzygy]

58. Not a freaking chance. Dead weight same as Lieberman. Don't Gore Obama.

If she wants to roll her sleeves up and get to work for progressive change, she can prove it first by doing it in whatever capacity she finds herself.

[Name removed]

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[stratomagi]

61. An uninformed co-worker told me she thought them teaming up

would be a good idea. I had to correct her on the error of her ways.

[smalll]

64. The "Democratic base" is the WORKING CLASS, not MOVEON.

You Obamatrons are clueless. You're re-defining the Democratic Party -- not as the party of the common man, but as the party of the "hip" rich. You guys want millionaires/billionaires to rule as much as the Repubs do - only difference is, you only support the millionaires/billionaires who wear birkenstocks rather than wing-tips (as if that somehow matters.) :eyes:

[here_is_to_hope]

76. If I described Hillarys supporters and other dems that way...

...man, I would feel like shit when I sobered up....:wtf:

[Radio_Lady]

79. This whole thread is just full of bile. I am hoping against hope that

clearer heads rule in this election and we get to a better place.

I found some people who agreed with me this morning, but they must all be asleep.

This is the most pained I've ever felt while witnessing one of the worst primary seasons I've ever experienced.

But, I'm still holding out some hope.

[Radio_Lady]

77. Hey, smalll -- no data on you. So, I see you're in a concilatory kind of mood.

Sheesh.

Give it a rest, folks.

[stevietheman]

112. I'm afraid the reverse is true. n/t

n/t

[Unbowed]

73. I wouldn't support her for dog catcher.

Not after the way she's conducted her campaign.

[here_is_to_hope]

75. No thanks...n/t

[Eurobabe]

81. Obama doesn't need Hilly and her baggage. n/t

[VotesForWomen]

85. more unity and tone-changing from O-ists, i see. you're a credit to your candidate. nt

[Lilith Velkor]

90. They want unity with Hillary-hating freepers, and think they will get it by showing belly

"Look how we hate her too!"

It's fucking pathetic.

[davidpdx]

87. I agree with the OP

Not a chance she'll be vp.

[barack the house]

91. Yeah it's tricky you're probablyright.In fact totally right, they just won't gel really.

[BzaDem]

92. Because of people like you, Obama will always be a candidate. Never a president.

Because people like you put petty juvenile hatred above actually having a Democrat win elections. Obama probably can't win regardless of who he picks, but he definately can't win without unprecedented enthusiastic support from those who supported Hillary.

But you don't care. It's not about winning, or changing this country. Or preventing a hard-right SCOTUS, or ending the war in Iraq. It's about validing your hatred, it's about who you want to see on your TV screen, it's about your loathing. Have fun with it.

[GoldieAZ49]

93. I am not suckered into supporting Obama for POTUS

So I don't have to worry about your op

[Laura PourMeADrink]

94. Lynyrd ! I agree 100 percent. Hey, you have GOT to read this..

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: April 23, 2008
He’s never going to shake her off.

The very fact that he can’t shake her off has become her best argument against him. “Why can’t he close the deal?” Hillary taunted at a polling place on Tuesday.

She’s been running ads about it, suggesting he doesn’t have “what it takes” to run the country. Her message is unapologetically emasculating: If he does not have the gumption to put me in my place, when superdelegates are deserting me, money is drying up, he’s outspending me 2-to-1 on TV ads, my husband’s going crackers and party leaders are sick of me, how can he be trusted to totally obliterate Iran and stop Osama?

Now that Hillary has won Pennsylvania, it will take a village to help Obama escape from the suffocating embrace of his rival. Certainly Howard Dean will be of no use steering her to the exit. It’s like Micronesia telling Russia to denuke.

“You know, some people counted me out and said to drop out,” said a glowing Hillary at her Philadelphia victory party, with Bill and Chelsea by her side. “Well, the American people don’t quit. And they deserve a president who doesn’t quit, either.”

The Democrats are growing ever more desperate about the Attack of the 50 Foot Woman. With gas prices out of control, with the comically oblivious President Bush shimmying around New Orleans — the city he let drown — and Condi sneaking into Baghdad as rockets and mortars hail down on the Green Zone, beating the Republicans should be a cinch.

But the Democrats watch in horror as Hillary continues to scratch up the once silvery sheen on Obama, and as John McCain not only consolidates his own party but encroaches on theirs by boldly venturing into Selma, Ala., on Monday to woo black voters.

They also cringe as Bill continues his honey-crusted-nut-bar meltdown. With his usual exquisite timing, just as Pennsylvanians were about to vote, Hillary’s husband became the first person ever to play the Caucasian Card. First, he blurted out to a radio interviewer that the Obama camp had played the race card against him after he compared Obama’s strength in South Carolina to Jesse Jackson’s. And then, with a Brobdingnagian finger-wagging on the screen, he denied it to an NBC News reporter.

“You always follow me around and play these little games, and I’m not going to play your games today,” he said, accusing the reporter of looking for “another cheap story to divert the American people from the real urgent issues before us.”

If there’s one person who knows about crass diversions, it’s Bill. But even for him, it was an embarrassing explosion, capped with some blue language to an aide that was caught on air.

The Democrats are eager to move on to an Obama-McCain race. But they can’t because no one seems to be able to show Hillary the door. Despite all his incandescent gifts, Obama has missed several opportunities to smash the ball over the net and end the game. Again and again, he has seemed stuck at deuce. He complains about the politics of scoring points, but to win, you’ve got to score points.

He knew he tanked in the Philadelphia debate, but he was so irritated by the moderators — and by having to stand next to Hillary again — that he couldn’t summon a single merry dart.

Is he skittish around her because he knows that she detests him and he’s used to charming everyone? Or does he feel guilty that he cut in line ahead of her? As the husband of Michelle, does he know better than to defy the will of a strong woman? Or is he simply scared of Hillary because she’s scary?

He is frantic to get away from her because he can’t keep carbo-loading to relate to the common people.

In the final days in Pennsylvania, he dutifully logged time at diners and force-fed himself waffles, pancakes, sausage and a Philly cheese steak. He split the pancakes with Michelle, left some of the waffle and sausage behind, and gave away the French fries that came with the cheese steak.

But this is clearly a man who can’t wait to get back to his organic scrambled egg whites. That was made plain with his cri de coeur at the Glider Diner in Scranton when a reporter asked him about Jimmy Carter and Hamas.

“Why” he pleaded, sounding a bit, dare we say, bitter, “can’t I just eat my waffle?”

His subtext was obvious: Why can’t I just be president? Why do I have to keep eating these gooey waffles and answering these gotcha questions and debating this gonzo woman?

Before they devour themselves once more, perhaps the Democrats will take a cue from Dr. Seuss’s “Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now!” (The writer once mischievously redid it for his friend Art Buchwald as “Richard M. Nixon Will You Please Go Now!”) They could sing:

“The time has come. The time has come. The time is now. Just go. ... I don’t care how. You can go by foot. You can go by cow. Hillary R. Clinton, will you please go now! You can go on skates. You can go on skis. ... You can go in an old blue shoe.

Just go, go, GO!”

[Skidmore]

95. Early on, I thought a unity ticket would be good but as time has passed

and we've seen more of the character of each of these candidates, I do not want Obama to choose Hillary as a VP candidate. Obama can do much better. Aside from the trainwreck of a campaign she has run, I do not want to see the baggage from the past 35 years she drags around with her front and center. I think she is beyond flawed. The Democratic Party and the nation is better served by jettisoning the Bush-Clinton era and starting fresh.

[shaniqua6392]

96. He may have to put her on the ticket

to insure that he gets her supporters to vote for him. There is a large percentage of Hillary voters that will not vote for him. They will go to McCain and we will lose in the GE. He may not be able to get enough electoral votes according to the map. Most people do not see McCain as being that drastic. He is not associated too much with Bush. He has even gone against Bush and the Republicans on some issues. He may be just independent enough to win the votes of blue collar and so-called Reagan Dems. Obama needs these votes or he will not win. So whether everyone likes this or not, it may be politically the only way he will win.

[AlinPA]

97. There are better Democrats out there.

[Bensthename]

103. If she stayed in but took a Huckabee tone to her campaign then maybe.

Huckabee did not once throw McCain under the bus vs the dems.. He kept to his message and on a positive theme..

With her latest antics she will not win the P or VP.

[angie_love]

106. Trust me i won't, i hate her now

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[Coexist]

109. not likely here.

[sellitman]

110. He wasn't picking here before.

What changed?

[Samantha]

114. She has taken many of her "plays" out of the Bush/Rove playbook

And now she's sleeping with our political enemy -- John McCain. She passed the smear gauntlet to him, and he's hammering Barack with it in North Carolina. That's what friends are for -- and McCain is indeed her friend. Even if he loses this election, he would rather see Hillary sitting in the Oval Office than Barack, because Hillary is 100% in agreement with the McCain's foreign affairs policies. McCain can certainly "work" with her if he has to, meaning if he loses the election, but Barack, who opposed the war from its "preemptive" inception, is NOT a POTUS McCain can work with. And so he does his friend's dirty work because she has to ratchet down her attack on her fellow Dem if she's to be allowed to continue her faux run.

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. For those who have said she is too Bush*-lite in her political posturing for years now, her campaign "style" only proves that accusation. Hillary Clinton is for Hillary Clinton, and that's it in a political nutshell.

I will vote for Barack Obama, unless he makes the mistake of allowing her on the ticket. I don't think he will.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

115. No need to worry here. I wouldn't want Rethug wannabe Hillary for local dogcatcher.

[Bonobo]

120. Two words.

As. If.

[SeaLyons]

123. Madam President!!

No worries. Hillary is running for President, and she said "I'm in it to win it". You can take that to the bank.

[moondust]

124. You could never turn your back on her.

Anybody who craves power as desperately as she does and is willing to do ANYTHING to get it is liable to do ANYTHING to get even more of it.