Before the primary started I said I had three top issues.

[Radical Activist]

Supporting fair trade instead of neoliberal globalization
Stopping the war in Iraq
The environment and global warming

Hillary was on the wrong side of the trade issue and she lied about it.
Hillary was on the wrong side of the war issue and she wavered back and forth like she always does.
Hillary talks a good game on the environment but she has never made it a top priority and her husband didn't do what needed to be done after 8 years in the White House.

Obama has spoken against NAFTA and in favor of fair trade for a long time.
Obama was against the war in Iraq from the start and has produced plans to get out.
Obama has an excellent environmental record for his entire career (better than Clinton's), showed courage by standing up to the auto industry in Detroit and has a fantastic energy plan.

Don't fucking tell me there's no difference between the candidates!
Its a lie from Hillary supporters who want liberal women to vote based on identity politics. Guess what. You ARE betraying your beliefs by supporting Hillary.
Its a lie from people who bought the spin about Obama being conservative.
Its a lie from people who think everyone is corporate except the Green Party.
Its a damn lie.
There is a difference.
And it matters.

[anonymous171]

1. It is strange that Obama was once thought of as too conservative.

Now he's "too liberal."

[Radical Activist]

6. It was such a ridiculous spin against Obama.

Hopefully people see how wrong that was now. Edwards said many good things, but Kucinich was the only candidate in the race with a more progressive record than Obama.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

2. Ahahahahahahaha

I remember how you demeaned Dean.

[Radical Activist]

3. your point?

Obama has a progressive career record, unlike Dean.

[crankychatter]

4. k/r

:-)

[JI7]

5. Hillary will sell out on any issue if it means saving herself politically

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. Before the primary started I had three issues too.

1) healthcare reform
2) mitigating the effects of globalization on US workers
3) ending the war

1) Hillary is the only one who is promoting universal coverage in which public insurance is an option.
2) Neither Clinton nor Obama intend to display the leadership the topic deserves, and Austan Goolsbee has telegraphed Obama's intent on the matter. Clinton's support for working class folks is apparent by virtue of who her core supporters are.
3) Susan Power wasn't fired for calling Clinton a monster. She was fired for filling in the blanks on Obama's Iraq policy; his 16 months commitment is "a best case scenario". Hillary has promised to begin redeploying troops immediately.

[Radical Activist]

8. huh

1) Hillary abandoned pushing for universal coverage for over a decade when her first try failed. How do I know she won't back down to opposition and give up again? How can I trust someone who is too calculating and cautious to keep fighting on her top issue? Her plan is better for the insurance industry than working Americans.

2) Hillary's core support is the corporate free traders who fund her campaign. Bill Clinton is the darling of the international globalization crowd and they know Hillary will continue those policies. Look at the pattern of populist sounding centrists getting elected in other countries and then enacting neoliberal trade policies. That's the Clintons. We're being duped.

3) Obama proved he's more qualified by having good judgment about Iraq. And frankly, after being lied to so many times, its hard to believe anything Hillary says about what she might do in Iraq. She appears to have been traumatized by living in New York for the 9/11 attacks and it made her a hawk. Candidates can say anything during the campaign but past behavior is still the best predictor of future behavior.

[lumberjack_jeff]

9. It is certainly possible she might be forced to backtrack on her promise of universal coverage.

But there's no doubt at all that Obama won't deliver more than he's promising. Given the choice between "maybe" and "hell no"...

"Abandoned?" During the decade in question, a Republican was president... of course she abandoned it. She was too busy saving social security.

Credit where credit is due: thanks for mostly discussing actual issues.

[eridani]

10. Both Clinton and Obama have done cheerleading for the "new" economy

Obama probably gave it up sooner. At any rate, that both are willing to change on the issue reflects the power of the organized Dem base, which is a good thing.

Both are foursquare in favor of continuing the attempt at military domination of the rest of the world. That said, no candidate for president would be allowed by our elite to do anything else.

IMO, the most important difference between them is that Obama can think outside the box and outside of Rethug framing, and that he wants us to be actively involved citizens and has spent a lot of money to that effect--on organizers instead of on shitstains like Mark Penn.

[Radical Activist]

11. Obama's trade position today is the same as what he wrote in his book.

Its not exactly where I want it to be but its better than putting back in the wife of the world's free trade hero.

I think his perspective is strongly influenced by his backgrond as a community organizer and that's one of the things I like most about him.

[DevonRex]

12. K&R and AMEN. nt