To those that say "Racist America" won't vote for Obama, I say this.....

[scheming daemons]

Let's put the American voter on the hot seat. Let's force them to prove that America has come a long way or that it hasn't.


If we as a nation won't vote for Obama because he's half-black, then we deserve the pain and suffering that will come with a McCain presidency.


I have more faith in America than a lot of you do... and I think we'll prove the world wrong about our nation and elect Obama as the next President.


...and if we don't, we'll prove something else as well.


In either case.... I say.... put America on the spot. Make them confront their own feelings on race.



I think we'll be pleasantly surprised with what we see.

[ensho]

1. I think you wear rosy glasses or are very young

peace and love. racists still hate white hippies.

[newmajority]

6. Fuck what racists think

Let the Republican party pander to the sheet wearing fucks. Not my party.

[scheming daemons]

15. I'm not very young... but thanks.....

[scheming daemons]

16. Dupe

[lapfog_1]

2. The real question

is how many voters WON'T vote for Obama who would have voted for Hillary versus the number of voters that Obama attracts to the process that wouldn't vote if it wasn't for Obama.

I suspect the later number is higher.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. I think a lot of those Clinton supporters were going to vote for McCain anyway.

There are people who have been registered Dem for decades, who have never voted for one in the General. They tend to be concentrated in southern red states and in red areas of blue states.

[RazBerryBeret]

3. I totally agree...

and I think it would send a great message to them, when we have a biracial president. Hey America is moving on, the old ways are gone. I'd love that.

having said that, I am concerned that he will just not be able to win some states because of it. I'm an Ohioan and I'm not proud to say this. but I see it happening. I think we can make up for it in other states, the purple states...and I'm willing to fight for this...

[Benhurst]

22. White, black, yellow or green, only a change in policies will matter

to the world at large.

Do you really think, for instance, the appointment of war criminal Condoleeza Rice as Secretary of State changed perceptions of the United States because she happened to be not only an African American, but a woman as well?

The world is too diverse and far to sophisticated to pay much attention to such things. The fact that so much weight is placed here on Clinton's gender and Obama's race just underlines how far out of it we are here in The World's Only Superpower.

[NJmaverick]

4. Why not say, Sexist American will not vote for Hillary

For the past 6 weeks we have all been hearing how Hillary is the victim of wide spread sexism

[zanne]

5. I agree and I'm not young, nor do I wear rose-colored glasses...

The fact that Obama won overwhelmingly white states shows me that he is going to be our next president. Inauguration Day will be one of the best days of my life.

[BlooInBloo]

7. I agree with the "let's make them..." part, but for the rest... Apparently you missed the PA primary

[zanne]

12. The PA primary was not a landslide victory for a white woman.

Obama did alot better than what was predicted there. The PA Primary gives me alot of hope for Obama.

[scheming daemons]

18. Um... I live in PA... I missed nothing.......

Obama will win most of the Hillary voters in a GE against McCain.

[BlooInBloo]

23. Probably.

[BlueCaliDem]

8. For many racists, the devil could be the alternative to Obama...

...but they'd still vote for him rather than a black guy, half or no.

I know many in-the-closet racists, black and white, and they stick to their guns when it comes to this, even if it meant they'd lose their job.

The reason why they're racists is because they have problems with rational, intelligent thinking and allow their personal tastes and biases guide them. They're also the least successful financially, socially, and family-wise.

However, I hope you're right. There's always hope.

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. I agree.

The most bogus argument against continuing civil rights activism is that 'we are different now - this isn't the 1950s.'

OK. Here's our chance. PROVE IT.

If we can't elect a black president on his own merits, the work isn't done yet. If we can, then maybe we CAN let go of affirmative action.

There's your trade off.

[frickaline]

11. racists, sexists, doesnt matter - its no way to choose a candidate

Support the candidate you feel has merit, not the one you "think" can do better against a Republican opponent. No one has a crystal ball, anything can happen in the next race. All we can do is vote responsibly in the current one.

[JKaiser]

13. People don't vote for obama because he is half-black they don't vote for him

because he is inexperienced and doesn't have a history of solving problems.. I am tired of some of his fans using the race card for the reason people don't vote for him. Obama gets pretty much an equal distribution among white people and gender.. If you want to use the race card.. Look at the black people who vote for him 92% compared to eight percent for hillary.. Sorry to say.. they are voting because he is black and not on the issues..

[Butch350]

19. 13. People don't vote for obama because he is half-black they don't vote for him

The people in the presidency has a lot of experience. But don't worry you'll
get someone with experience, MCCAIN.

[JKaiser]

30. Hillary will be our next president. Go Hillary!:)

[GoldieAZ49]

14. His resume is as thin as he is

set aside all the negatives that will be used in the GE

Experience will be a GE issue

America is in two wars and has a troubled economy

They will vote for experience not slogans

[scheming daemons]

21. If the GE is about "experience"... then we lose with Hillary as well.....

The Dems can't win on an "experience" argument this year, with EITHER candidate. Not against McCain.


So, we have to make the race about something else. And the most powerful "something else" we can make it about is.... "Washington needs to change".


Which of our candidates can best pull off THAT message?


Certainly not Hillary. She loses the "change" argument to Obama, and the "experience" argument to McCain. Of the three remaining candidates, she's second-best on EITHER metric.

[terrell9584]

17. The problem with that

Is that if that happens, a lot of stuff that the country doesn't know about will come out. The one thing that many black elected officials in the South have proven is that they are just as narrow-minded and corrupt as the white Jim Crow guys they replaced. There remain obvious examples of white against black racism, but there have also now been examples of black against white racism, for example, where a county chairman in a Mississippi county was challenging the credentials of white voters who had registered as Democrats (I should point out that said county is black and therefore, if you are denied a vote in a Democratic Primary, you are denied a vote for your county officials, you're representatives to the state legislature, etc). Now, legal action was taken and that stopped. Something most other people don't know about, what the first black district attorney of New Orleans did upon suing New Orleans. Let's just say, he ended up having to resign because his actions caused his office to lose a discrimination lawsuit. You want to know why in the election to replace Oliver Thomas, less New Orleans whites were willing to cross the racial boundary to vote for the black candidate than black voters were for the white, the actions of Jordan before the hurricane played a large part in helping to polarize it.

If the majority of voters in New Orleans are white, they will put a white mayor in. white voters in post-storm elections have shown a remarkable willingness to vote race because in their belief, the years of black political control were years in which whites were demonized and they now want revenge, and many of these people actually aren't racist, but as somewhere along the line, they got sick of the Morial's, the Jefferson's, etal. And I say this as someone with family in the city. That situation is a tempest in a teapot.

There are enough dumb statements and dumb actions by politicians of both races in these region that any discussion on race that is not carried out in just the way will lead to all these instances being trotted out by people who want to stir up passions on either side and this thing, especially considering the mood of the country, could end up getting bad.

And just to be fair, we have to include Jena, Louisiana, the way they conducted the prom in Taylor County, Georgia (how they had their first integrated prom last year I think, and how many white students held their own alternate prom in protest) The fact that in some county in rural northern Florida, almost all of the establishments still have "separate bathrooms".

I'm probably being cynical, but I don't know if I want us to delve into this kind of stuff when the national mood is abysmal and when the country is more divided than ever. Especially considering that a lot of racists in older generations haven't died off yet, and considering that there are extremist groups that would relish such a thing happening because they feel they can get more members.

I can respect your optimism, but I just don't agree with it. The reason we have racial harmony in our area, where the majority of people are living in mixed neighborhoods is because quite simply, there is a very narrow area of when and how race can be talked about, and when someone transgresses it, they end up punished by the community at large. We keep the peace by being silent about it and just going on with our lives (too busy to be divided). It's why our first black mayor has an approval rating of better than 60% among white residents.

[terrell9584]

20. i'm not so sure if that is a good idea when the country is falling to hell

if that happens, a lot of stuff that the country doesn't know about will come out. The one thing that many black elected officials in the South have proven is that they are just as narrow-minded and corrupt as the white Jim Crow guys they replaced. There remain obvious examples of white against black racism, but there have also now been examples of black against white racism, for example, where a county chairman in a Mississippi county was challenging the credentials of white voters who had registered as Democrats (I should point out that said county is black and therefore, if you are denied a vote in a Democratic Primary, you are denied a vote for your county officials, you're representatives to the state legislature, etc). Now, legal action was taken and that stopped. Something most other people don't know about, what the first black district attorney of New Orleans did upon taking office. Let's just say, he ended up having to resign because his actions caused his office to lose a discrimination lawsuit. You want to know why in the election to replace Oliver Thomas, less New Orleans whites were willing to cross the racial boundary to vote for the black candidate than black voters were for the white, the actions of Jordan before the hurricane played a large part in helping to polarize it.

If the majority of voters in New Orleans are white in 2010, they will put a white mayor in. white voters in post-storm elections have shown a remarkable willingness to vote race because in their belief, the years of black political control were years in which whites were demonized and they now want revenge, and many of these people actually aren't racist, but somewhere along the line, they got sick of the Morial's, the Jefferson's, etal. And I say this as someone with family in the city. That situation is a tempest in a teapot.

There are enough dumb statements and dumb actions by politicians of both races in these region that any discussion on race that is not carried out in just the way will lead to all these instances being trotted out by people who want to stir up passions on either side and this thing, especially considering the mood of the country, could end up getting bad.

And just to be fair, we have to include Jena, Louisiana, the way they conducted the prom in Taylor County, Georgia (how they had their first integrated prom last year I think, and how many white students held their own alternate prom in protest) The fact that in some county in rural northern Florida, almost all of the establishments still have "separate bathrooms".

I'm probably being cynical, but I don't know if I want us to delve into this kind of stuff when the national mood is abysmal and when the country is more divided than ever. Especially considering that a lot of racists in older generations haven't died off yet, and considering that there are extremist groups that would relish such a thing happening because they feel they can get more members.

I can respect your optimism, but I just don't agree with it. The reason we have racial harmony in our area, where the majority of people are living in mixed neighborhoods is because quite simply, there is a very narrow area of when and how race can be talked about, and when someone transgresses it, they end up punished by the community at large. We keep the peace by being silent about it and just going on with our lives (too busy to be divided). It's why our first black mayor has an approval rating of better than 60% among white residents.

[gsaguyCLW54]

24. That seems perfectly reasonable.....

...except we cant afford that gamble right now. But as always, I pray your opinion carries the day

[scheming daemons]

25. Hillary gives us more of the same anyway.... If she wins the nomination....

...then we all lose, no matter if she or McCain win.

[mmonk]

26. Better yet, don't let them hide their racism under different headings

like patriotism.

[BlooInBloo]

28. Among so many others we tricksy Americans have come up with.

[TragedyandHope]

27. America has already proven itself by picking the best Democratic candidate

who happens to be Black. The hardcore, ignorant racists were going to vote for McCain anyway, even if the Democratic candidate was a white male. We're not losing anything there.

America is ready.

[BlooInBloo]

29. That fiction is among my favorite - that virtually all of the bad apples are republicans....

... I'm so glad I'm an delat! It must be simply beastly to be a gamma!