McGovern's "sun" logo

[DemGa]

Seen alongside Obama's logo. I can't help but find the similarity fascinating.

[Texas Hill Country]

1. lol

[PBS Poll-435]

2. It looks "borrowed."

Wow...

[Texas Hill Country]

3. xeroxed perhaps?

[PBS Poll-435]

5. hehe...

:rofl:

[redqueen]

4. ...

:rofl:

[Kesaco]

6. And we all know what happened to McGovern.......

[PBS Poll-435]

7. He rode off into the sunset?

:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

8. Gee, no other designers have used circles before, have they?

:eyes:

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Come on...Seriously.

They look nothing alike...right?

[CBGLuthier]

9. They both got circles?

Really, if the is the best you guys can come up with.

[PBS Poll-435]

12. Most things do come full circle...

[book_worm]

10. And yet Obama keeps ahead of Hillary not only in delegates, states won, and popular vote

but in state-wide polls in matches vs. McCain. If he's so unelectable why is it that the former First Lady of a popular Democratic president and New York Senator can't beat this one-term Senator from Illinois?

[Liquorice]

15. McGovern won the primary too. And was expected to win big against Nixon. nt

[book_worm]

22. Are you nuts he was never expected to win big against Nixon

Do some reading instead of pulling stuff out of your ass. He also never won as many states as Obama has and never ran as well in the polls as Obama has. Beleive it or not after going to the Soviet Union and China in early '72 and beginning to pull troops out of Vietnam, Nixon was the favorite in '72 and it's doubtful any Democrat would have beat him that year. Same as in '84 with Reagan. Also, McGovern lost by a large margin because of his mistake in choosing a VP, he went with Eagleton and later had to replace him on the ticket. That is why Obama will not choose somebody unstable like Hillary.

[Aloha Spirit]

13. This is what Hillary's logo reminds me of...

[demodonkey]

14. Ah, but is is a rising sun or a setting sun?

I fear it is setting -- and it will be for the USA if we get President McBush.

"A Republic, if you can keep it." -- Ben Franklin

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. And Hillary ripped off Betsy Ross!

[onenote]

17. WTF is that thing. I volunteered for McGovern and don't remember that logo

I also collecteed bumper stickers and buttons from that era back then and I don't ever recall seeing that logo.

Here's a link to a site that sells political campaign memorabilia -- two pages of McGovern buttons and not a "sun" in the lot.

http://ronwade.freeservers.com/McGovern.html

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. Bullshit....... McGovern didn't use that

link

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.collectiblewebs.com/political/&h=174&w=155&sz=19&hl=en&start=17&um=1&tbnid=YJIxKNs0HHKX_M:&tbnh=100&tbnw=89&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpresidential%2Bcampaign%2Bbuttons%2BMcGovern%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN

link

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.campaignbuttons-etc.com/mcgovern.htm&h=156&w=150&sz=35&hl=en&start=18&um=1&tbnid=FngBIYvLUsTPVM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpresidential%2Bcampaign%2Bbuttons%2BMcGovern%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN

[onenote]

20. if he did use it, I never saw it

and here's several more pages of McGovern buttons. A couple of rainbows and one sort of sun logo that doesn't look anything like the logo in the OP or like Obama's logo.

http://www.djpolitical.com/pages/show_president_1960_1972.php

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Yep, Us McGovern voters remember that campaign and the OP made this up

Your and mine proved that.

[MADem]

51. Do you intend to APOLOGIZE to the OP and everyone you denigrated here?

You're wrong. The poster was called HERE COMES THE SUN and the campaign put out MILLIONS OF THEM. MILLIONS.

Documented here, at NEWSWEEK, and quoted fully elsewhere in this thread.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02.aspx

Will you admit your error, or will you fluff this off and ignore the fact that you behaved snarkily AND you were wrong?

[Name removed]

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[berni_mccoy]

19. You do realize McGovern endorsed Clinton, right? She is far more like McGovern than Obama is.

[MADem]

21. Yep. It is interesting, isn't it?

If the paradigm holds, we've got four years of Popeye up ahead...

[onenote]

26. what's interesting is your gullability.

Speaking from first hand experience, and confirmed by others here with similar experience as well as extrinsic evidence, the logo featured in the OP not only wasn't a principal logo of the McGovern campaign, its not clear that it was a sponsored logo at all, seeing as it doesn't appear to have shown up on any buttons, bumperstickers, or posters that anyone recalls seeing or can find on sites featuring political memorabilia.

But hey, it sounded good. Sort of like sniper fire.

[MADem]

29. Because everything on DU has to be absolute truth--like THIS thread!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=72205&mesg_id=72205


Great parsing there on your part--you ought to write copy for indicted co-conspirators!!!

not only wasn't a principal logo of the McGovern campaign,.....not clear that it was a sponsored logo at all....

For someone who claims to have such "FIRST HAND" experience, you seem to forget that back in the day, we didn't neeeed no steeenking copyrights or "official" logos as a form of expression. Machine-made posters were rare, hand lettered signs were the norm. Bumper stickers that actually stuck to your bumper were big, as were buttons. And yeah, you sounded good--sort of like empty promises!

:rofl:

[onenote]

30. talk about empty

Wow. WHat you've established apparently is that someone, unrelated to the McGovern campaign, may have made a logo up that was round and looked like a sun that no one remembers seeing. And based on that, you've concluded that Obama's campaign intentionally copied this unseen logo.

That is funny!

[MADem]

32. "May have" indeed. You haven't proved otherwise, there, spokesperson!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And I didn't say shit about Obama stealing/intentionally copying a logo, or any of the other bullshit you postulated. YOU are the one doing all the "establishing" here--and ain't THAT interesting.

I noted that the thing was INTERESTING, and discussed the prospect of a paradigm holding, and voila! In no time at all, with the speed of aggrieved, whining and petulant greased lightning, your angry little mind took off on a flight of fancy. Have a latte, why don't you--it'll calm that caffeine headache you seem to be suffering from.

Gee, tell me what I want to have for my dinner this evening, since you seem to think you are such a frigging mind reader?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Your flopsweat is showing, if this kind of foolish shit can get you THAT upset. You do realize that? Maybe you don't.

[onenote]

33. we are in complete agreement on one thing

you haven't said shit.

[MADem]

34. But you've certainly spun yourself into a hissy fit over it--which is "interesting."

Have a drink, calm yourself down:

[Bucky]

36. Hey, I just googled for "McGovern's sun logo"

Here's what I got ==> http://www.google.com/search?q=McGovern%27s+%22sun%22+logo :rofl:

[flowomo]

45. you googled wrong.... try here

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/28/62811/6923

[SeaLyons]

24. Very interesting...

[onenote]

27. it is interesting that there is no record that this "logo" was actually part of McGovern's campaign

That's what you meant, right?

[MADem]

49. Uh, there IS a record. There are posters, and it's noted in a BOOK.

Oooops...

....missed the one that Obama's is most directly compared with-- McGovern's "Here comes the Sun" '72 campaign logo that was put on his campaign posters. You can view the image in black and white. This is from a PDF I have about McGovern's campaign, but I've also come across it in a book about the campaign. Posters were huge in the McGovern campaign. They distributed over a million of them, so there must be some of these in color still around. But you can bet that McGovern's posters didn't stick to the red-white-blue mantra.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/28/62811/6923



NOT CONVINCED? Well, let's turn to NEWSWEEK, where an Obama supporter/blogger wrongly predicted in FEB that this would become a great big issue: http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02.aspx

Obama's Logo Is Feeling Groovy
Andrew Romano | Feb 28, 2008 11:26 AM
During our conservation yesterday about the intricacies of Barack Obama's unprecedented branding effort, I asked graphic design expert Michael Bierut whether any other presidential campaign had ever "pulled a Nike"--i.e., created a logo that carried the campaign's message without mentioning the candidate's name. His answer? "It's been a long time." But Bierut never expanded on this initial reaction, launching instead into an analysis of George W. Bush's 2000 bid, which relied on a "W" in a similar (if less sophisticated) way. So I cut it from the transcript.

Stupid me. As it turns out, there is, in fact, another "Nike" logo on the books--and it bears a striking resemblance to Obama's. Ladies and gentlemen, feast your eyes on this 1972 poster for presidential candidate George McGovern (hat tip to Jerome Armstrong):


....Just wait 'til Hillary Clinton gets her mitts on this. Of course, Obama is a "new day" type of candidate--much like McGovern was--so the rising sun imagery is probably more coincidental than referential. And because it's based on something organic--his initial--Obama's logo is definitely an improvement over his predecessor's. But now that the whole Deval Patrick "plagiarism" gambit is petering out, Sen. Clinton is probably on the hunt for another line of attack. Enter good old George. What better way to sink Obama among conventionalist working-class whites in Ohio and Texas, Mark Penn will mutter, than by accusing him of swiping from McGovern? I can hear it now: Are we ready to watch another anti-war "movement" candidate ride the support of young voters to a crushing 22-point loss? I mean, look at that groovy logo!



If you don't feel like a little bit of a jerk, you really should. It's not that big a deal, but you were pretty fucking quick with the gratuitous snark, and it turns out, you were DEAD WRONG.

[Occam Bandage]

38. I'm unable to find any reference to such a logo anywhere. Are you?

[flowomo]

46. here's one:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/28/62811/6923

not much, but there is is

[onenote]

47. not much indeed

Those of us who worked on the McGovern campaign don't recall seeing this logo and not a single example of it has shown up here, and I've searched through a half dozen sites that specialize in political memorabilia and that have a number of McGovern posters depicted on line.

Ridiculous.

[MADem]

53. Here--NEWSWEEK.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02.aspx

Quoted fully elsewhere in this thread if you don't want to scroll down.

Oh, and for the record, the article was written by one of Newsweek's OBAMA bloggers...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

25. The same George McGovern Hillary worked for?

:rofl:

[Tinksrival]

28. So this piece of photoshop is your arguement not to vote for Obama

I think someone is jealous cause your stuck with this...

[zulchzulu]

31. Find me ANY PICTURE where McGovern had that design anywhere near him

What a ridiculous OP.

[Bucky]

35. Is that the Pokemon ball?

Barack Obama.... I choose youuuu!!!!

[Occam Bandage]

37. Comment redacted. Photoshop kills.

[JoFerret]

39. Ver interesting

.

[Forkboy]

40. You're grasping at straws Reager.

[GoldieAZ49]

41. another winner

just like McGovern

[elmerdem]

42. Wow & McGovern's

name didn't even start with an O. Absolutely amazing!

[flowomo]

43. can't find that one.... found this one:

most McGovern buttons were just words or pictures. Nice collection here:

http://amres.com/catalogs/PLCN.asp

[flowomo]

44. that logo is referenced here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/28/62811/6923

"Those are all good, but she missed the one that Obama's is most directly compared with-- McGovern's "Here comes the Sun" '72 campaign logo that was put on his campaign posters. You can view the image in black and white. This is from a PDF I have about McGovern's campaign, but I've also come across it in a book about the campaign. Posters were huge in the McGovern campaign. They distributed over a million of them, so there must be some of these in color still around. But you can bet that McGovern's posters didn't stick to the red-white-blue mantra."

[Melinda]

48. So, what's your intent? Are you trying to smear Obama by associating him with an American hero?

George McGovern flew 35 missions in WWII, and was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for saving his crew by crash landing his damaged bomber on a small Mediterranean island. After serving our country, he returned home and earned a Divinity degree, and then his PHD. George McGovern went on to run for Congress, then JFK appointed him to be his Director of the Food for Peace Program under and Special Assistant to the President. As Senator, he was directly involved and responsible for establishing programs such as Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) and the National School Lunch Program.

McGovern was outspoken in his criticism of the war and Congress' support of it. During Senate floor debate McGovern criticized his colleagues for not supporting an amendment that he had cosponsored with Senator Mark Hatfield (R-Oregon) calling for a complete withdrawal of troops from Vietnam:

"Every Senator in this chamber is partly responsible for sending 50,000 young Americans to an early grave... This chamber reeks of blood... it does not take any courage at all for a Congressman or a Senator or a President to wrap himself in the flag and say we are staying in Viet Nam, because it is not our blood that is being shed." (McGovern) blamed his colleagues for having contributed to "that human wreckage all across our land — young men without legs or arms or genitals or faces — or hopes."

In 1976, President Gerald Ford named McGovern a United Nations delegate to the General Assembly, and, in 1978, President Jimmy Carter named him a United Nations delegate for the Special Session on Disarmament. After leaving the Senate in 1980, McGovern was a visiting professor at numerous institutions, including Columbia University, Northwestern University, Cornell University, American University and the University of Berlin. He served as the president of the Middle East Policy Council from 1991 to 1998, when President Clinton appointed him ambassador to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization in Rome. In 2001 he was appointed the first United Nations global ambassador on hunger. In this position, McGovern continues his leadership in the battle against world hunger.

Partially adapted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

------------

Oh, and no need to contrive a fake campaign poster:



The Obama branch of the democratic party loves our heroes, and we prefer the sun shining in... tyvm.

[anonymous171]

50. McGovern is a Hillary supporter. Stop insulting your own.

[Capn Sunshine]

52. I worked for the McGovern Campaign...that's the first time I've ever seen that

Where did you find that? Because it sure wasn't in common use

[DemGa]

55. Found it here

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/28/62811/6923

'Those are all good, but she missed the one that Obama's is most directly compared with-- McGovern's "Here comes the Sun" '72 campaign logo that was put on his campaign posters. You can view the image in black and white. This is from a PDF I have about McGovern's campaign, but I've also come across it in a book about the campaign. Posters were huge in the McGovern campaign. They distributed over a million of them, so there must be some of these in color still around. But you can bet that McGovern's posters didn't stick to the red-white-blue mantra."

This has the actual image from the OP.


http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/23/18152/4469#208