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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:31 AM
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nation's first Black governor has some advice for Obama
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Obama Gets Encouragement and Warning From Wilder Heidi Przybyla


April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Doug Wilder, the nation's first elected black governor, has both encouragement and a warning for Illinois Senator Barack Obama.


The encouragement is that Obama is approaching the race issue the right way, and the nation is ready to elect a black president. The warning is that it may not be as ready as polls suggest.

``Let's not kid ourselves again, the issue of race will not disappear; but I don't think it will predominate,'' the former Virginia governor said in an interview at his office in Richmond, where he is now mayor. At the same time, he said, even if Obama is the nominee and heads into the fall with an apparent lead, the election ``will be closer than any polls will suggest.''

Wilder, 77, is an authority in the matter. In 1989, he won the Democratic gubernatorial nomination in the overwhelmingly white onetime cradle of the Confederacy. Polls taken just before Election Day had put him ahead of his Republican competitor by as much as 10 percentage points; he won by less than half a percentage point.

Wilder said he believes Obama has done a good job so far in blunting the race issue. ``Obama, by not running as an African- American, has been able to show that race is coincidental to his being,'' rather than the centerpiece of his campaign, he said.

The message Obama, 46, sends to voters is ```I'm not being dominated by any groups,''' Wilder said. ``That includes African- Americans.''

`Ingrained Difficulty'

Wilder said he isn't surprised that Obama has run behind New York Senator Hillary Clinton among white voters in some states. Obama has faced more ``ingrained difficulty'' as a black candidate than Clinton has as a woman, Wilder said.

Bias against Clinton, 60, may have more to do with specific incidents that have reinforced stereotypes, he said. ``Hillary's reactions to things conjure up images that are not necessarily the healthiest in terms of hissy fits or reactions because of emotions, like the crying and the weeping and then forgetting somewhat that she did that,'' he said.

In Pennsylvania's April 22 Democratic primary, Obama lost by 10 points to Clinton, as white Democrats voted for her by a 65- to-35 percent margin. In exit polls, 19 percent of Pennsylvania Democratic voters said race was important in making their choice.

`Struggling'

``He's struggling with them in terms of the nomination,'' Wilder said. ``I don't think that struggle will emanate through the general election because they have far more in common with him than they do with the Republican candidate.''

Still, he said, Obama should be prepared for a discrepancy between polling and election results, which came to be known as the ``Wilder effect'' after the 1989 race.

Previously, it had been dubbed the ``Bradley effect'' after Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley's 1982 gubernatorial loss in an election that polls had projected him to win. In both cases, exit surveys were inaccurate, leading pollsters to conclude that some white voters gave misleading answers to conceal racial prejudice. Polls before the Pennsylvania contest predicted a 5-point loss for Obama.

Wilder predicted a tight race for Obama against the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Arizona Senator John McCain, if Obama does win the nomination. He said he had advised the candidate on how to handle the race issue.

`High Ground'

``I've told him to keep the high ground,'' he said. ``Let the rest of us do what needed to be done'' in responding to attacks.

``I told him it's going to be very difficult, particularly running against a woman,'' he said. ``And racially it's going to be even more difficult.''

When Wilder ran for president for three months in 1992, internal polling in New Hampshire, the nation's first primary state, showed him at the top of the preference list based on his positions, his biography and his speeches, he said.

``As soon as my picture was put up associated with that, it would go down,'' he said.

This year, Obama was projected to win the Jan. 8 New Hampshire contest after beating Clinton in the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. Polls had showed him ahead by 13 points. Yet Clinton beat him by 3 points in the Granite State.

``He should never have believed those New Hampshire polls, and I think now he recognizes that,'' Wilder said.

Pitch for Kaine

Wilder plugged Virginia Governor Tim Kaine as a strong vice presidential candidate for Obama. Kaine, 50, is national co- chairman of Obama's campaign.

``Kaine should be on the shortest of short lists,'' Wilder said. ``He's Southern and he's white, and I think he can carry Virginia'' as well as ``other parts of the South.''

Kaine, in an April 16 interview, said he hasn't ``had any conversations'' with the Obama campaign about being Obama's running mate.

Obama has ``been hurt'' by the controversy over the comments made by his former pastor, Jeremiah Wright, Wilder said. Yet, he said, ``if that's all they got in the tank, we'll be going up for Obama's inauguration.''

Republicans will see few gains from focusing on race, he said.

``They will do so at their own risk of damaging the Republican Party forever,'' he said, because ``people are always ahead of leaders.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Heidi Przybyla in Richmond at hprzybyla@bloomberg.net .

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:32 AM
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1. Racism is an issue but not Sexism?
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:33 AM
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2. he's not saying sexism isn't there, but he thinks racism is more of an issue (i agree)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:36 AM
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6. That flies in the face of the claims that have been repeated
over and over again by the Clinton camp
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:34 AM
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3. Obama is a male.
You're on the wrong thread.

Anyway, sexism is the Clinton battle cry only on the first and third Tuesdays of every month. Read the memos, okay?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:37 AM
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8. Yes I have noticed that with Clintons the "facts" change on a daily sometimes hourly basis
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:35 AM
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4. Does the article say that?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:36 AM
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5. It implies that
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:36 AM
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7. No it doesn't
You are projecting that.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:38 AM
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9. Yes it does, you can't spend months playing the victim of sexism card
and suddenly turn around and say the half black guy can't be elected because of his mixed heritage. It's dishonest and misleading.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:43 AM
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13. The title of the article is
"The first black govenor...."

That is the subject of the article. He probably has a better perspective on what it's like being a black elected official as opposed to being a female elected official.

Who's playing the victim of sexism card?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:50 AM
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16. This is just another article in the Clinton's coordinated attack on Obama's race
I don't care who they roped in to doing it.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:52 AM
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18. I don't see this as an attack
And Gov. Wilder has endorsed Obama.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:54 AM
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20. Please the Clinton campaign is sending this crap to all the press
saying how the Country isn't ready for a black man to be president. The ethical journalist stack it on top of the Clinton messages about how she is the victim of sexism.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:53 AM
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19. he's not attacking anyone, he's explaining why it's difficult for Obama to win certain votes
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:55 AM
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21. Have you noticed that there are suddenly many similarly themed articles coming out?
Do you believe that to be an accident?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:39 AM
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10. racism is a much stronger issue emotionally for all people, racist and non-racist alike, then
sexism.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:41 AM
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11. There are many women that don't think other women should be president, because of their gender
can the same be said of African Americans?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:48 AM
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15. you are not making sense. nt
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:43 AM
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14. Painting with a broad brush, I see.
Fortunately, for me, I disagree.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:43 AM
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12. Maybe we just should
have picked a White guy. :sarcasm:

Of course then the Democrats would be accused of playing it safe. It seems that no matter who the candidates are there will be some issue - race, gender, ethnicity, age, height, weight, old friends, new friends, nicknames, choice of spouse, income, choice of attire - that someone will think worth or making an issue of.

Yes, race will be a factor for some people.

Yes, gender will be a factor for some people.
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Carrieyazel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:51 AM
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17. Obama being up in polls by 2-3 points will not be enough. He needs much more.
That's the racial component that Doug Wilder is talking about. It isn't nearly as bad as it once was, like 20-30 years ago. But it can affect a race by at least 2-4 points in this day and age.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 10:58 AM
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22. How long ago was it, that camp Clinton was saying Obama was lucky to be black?
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